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761  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 05, 2017, 09:07:40 AM
Some one is getting cheap INCNT token from openledger.If dev not introduce any good exchange sooner,then some few people will have the control on price and that purchased token from openledger will dump the price for a while,what ever INCNT goes to polo or trex.
Yeah is so sad see the INCNT price on openledger.info, when people buy now on openledger.info they will take advantage when INCNT added on major exchange like Bittrex or Poloniex, and people who buy INCNT when ICO will worry about this, INCNT dont have value on openledger

they should have added it on exchange earlier. I guess that openledger can do more damage to new tokens that are released yet no on exchange.
they're not like shapeshift that only add the once that's already out in the market.

To clarify:
Devs don't add coins to exchanges. Exchanges do. All we can do is ask them - the decision is ultimately up to them.
The exception to this rule is if the exchange is decentralised, like Waves' DEX, on which Incent will trade once it's up and running. Arguably that's all we need for price discovery, though of course a traditional exchange like Polo or Bittrex would be nice and we will continue to pursue that.
The current price on Open Ledger is a short-term anomaly, due to low liquidity and soaring BTC price. I would STRONGLY advise people not to sell at below ICO. Once merchant integration takes place there will be real, ongoing buy support from both inside and outside the crypto-sphere.
At that point we get to find out what happens when a deflationary currency with a current market cap of ~$1m experiences growing demand from hundreds or thousands of transactions a day. I hope people can wait that long.
762  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 08:35:24 PM
any other UKers here holding their breath for ~$1230 when we finally hit £1000? that is gonna be when my head explodes.

Yep - one here Spooder. That would be fantastic.

The crazy thing is, I've tried to explain bitcoin to quite a few people over the last few years. Some have nodded approvingly - but most have been sceptical. But none that I know of have acquired any BTC. I'm watching this rise on my own (so to speak)

The one I'm waiting for is $1163 on stamp. And I'm starting to think I might see it before 23:59 GMT.

I have spent so much time watching the price over the festive period its embarassing.

Where do you guys buy/sell BTC, by the way? I get paid monthly in bitcoin and since Circle shut down BTC sells I have to resort to Coinfloor. It's not bad but still a hassle and you get spanked on withdrawals, of course.

I used both of those - Circle was OK. Not used Coinfloor for a while (and when I did it wasn't for long) - little liquidity.

Not sold for a while - tend to buy on Localbitcoin.

Have you tried Uphold - it used to be called Bitreserve ? As you are being paid in BTC it lets you hold your value (BTC) in various other assets ie. gold, platinum, $ etc.
Transfers out in GBP are no worse in fees than anywhere else IIRC
 

Interesting, will take a look. Basically I cash out to pay bills, so nothing fancy required. But even that's hard to come by in the UK...
763  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 08:06:23 PM
Thanks. Looking for convenience and low fees really. Used to use Stamp but the bank fees and appalling FX rate was killing me. I've bought from bitbargain, three years ago as I was learning about BTC, but selling would be a hassle. Will look into Kraken but anywhere abroad will probably use SEPA, which incurs vast penalties. I've got a friend who uses LocalBitcoins, but I don't like the idea of waiting around and doing it all manually.
Basically the banking sector here sucks with regard to bitcoin.

Try Bittylicious? I've no idea what it's like as a seller but they're superb to buy from. I'm not sure whether it's in any way automated but try asking them. You get a juicy premium too.

Bittylicious is excellent for buying. Same deal with selling as bitbargain, though - approval process and of course you have to wait around and make manual transfers.
Will probably stick with Coinfloor for now. They're not terrible, I was just spoiled by the convenience of Circle, sending coins and having them turn up as GBP, with no further action necessary on my part, practically zero slippage and no withdrawal fees. It was too good to be true. Banksters. The day of reckoning is nigh.
764  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 07:56:00 PM
any other UKers here holding their breath for ~$1230 when we finally hit £1000? that is gonna be when my head explodes.

Yep - one here Spooder. That would be fantastic.

The crazy thing is, I've tried to explain bitcoin to quite a few people over the last few years. Some have nodded approvingly - but most have been sceptical. But none that I know of have acquired any BTC. I'm watching this rise on my own (so to speak)

The one I'm waiting for is $1163 on stamp. And I'm starting to think I might see it before 23:59 GMT.

I have spent so much time watching the price over the festive period its embarassing.

Where do you guys buy/sell BTC, by the way? I get paid monthly in bitcoin and since Circle shut down BTC sells I have to resort to Coinfloor. It's not bad but still a hassle and you get spanked on withdrawals, of course.
You could try bitbargain.co.uk
Its not an exchange more of a market and the seller fee is a little high but the margins are generally quite high so compensates for that.
All depends how many you are trying to shift.
Otherwise you could use Kraken but the GBP volume there is quite low unless you convert to Euros.

Thanks. Looking for convenience and low fees really. Used to use Stamp but the bank fees and appalling FX rate was killing me. I've bought from bitbargain, three years ago as I was learning about BTC, but selling would be a hassle. Will look into Kraken but anywhere abroad will probably use SEPA, which incurs vast penalties. I've got a friend who uses LocalBitcoins, but I don't like the idea of waiting around and doing it all manually.
Basically the banking sector here sucks with regard to bitcoin.
765  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 07:45:54 PM
any other UKers here holding their breath for ~$1230 when we finally hit £1000? that is gonna be when my head explodes.

Yep - one here Spooder. That would be fantastic.

The crazy thing is, I've tried to explain bitcoin to quite a few people over the last few years. Some have nodded approvingly - but most have been sceptical. But none that I know of have acquired any BTC. I'm watching this rise on my own (so to speak)

The one I'm waiting for is $1163 on stamp. And I'm starting to think I might see it before 23:59 GMT.

I have spent so much time watching the price over the festive period its embarassing.

Where do you guys buy/sell BTC, by the way? I get paid monthly in bitcoin and since Circle shut down BTC sells I have to resort to Coinfloor. It's not bad but still a hassle and you get spanked on withdrawals, of course.
766  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 06:54:42 PM
any other UKers here holding their breath for ~$1230 when we finally hit £1000? that is gonna be when my head explodes.

Yep - one here Spooder. That would be fantastic.

The crazy thing is, I've tried to explain bitcoin to quite a few people over the last few years. Some have nodded approvingly - but most have been sceptical. But none that I know of have acquired any BTC. I'm watching this rise on my own (so to speak)

The one I'm waiting for is $1163 on stamp. And I'm starting to think I might see it before 23:59 GMT.

I have spent so much time watching the price over the festive period its embarassing.

Another one here.
Course, the way Sterling is behaving we'll get there if btc stays where it is  Smiley
767  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 04, 2017, 05:04:25 PM
Hi, I try to withdraw incent token, so 2 days ago i put my waves adresse in the ICO dashboard, i havn't yet receive tokens, do you know how long does it take ?

Pete will be doing another distribution tomorrow, I believe. It's manual, for security. Now people are back from holidays we will be getting onto the last withdrawals and the edge cases.
768  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 09:33:52 AM
This is crazy guys, this rise is parabolic. Don't you think it need to come back down and floor out.
Like how high can it possibly go before crashing? I think its now so I sold all my btc besides a few for investing with and I'll buyback in at $800 in a month from now.

Cheesy

Unless, of course, we never see $800 again  Shocked

That's very possible too but I think its likely to happen. What's your take?

This just feels so much like 2013.  Back then, "there had been an ATH of $266 which had hung around for a while, until the bull run which eventually broke through it and took us to the current ATH of $1175.  That was a rise in the ATH of 442%. If the current ATH were to break through this time, and rise by the same percentage, that would lead to a new ATH of $5194" [pasted from my post a few days ago].

On the other hand (even though I don't really think TA works too well with btc), we could be seeing a classic cup and handle pattern forming between Nov.2013 and now: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/cupandhandle.asp  In which case, we could expect to see the price go up to c.$1175, then drop to between 30% and 50% of that ($587 to $820 ) as traders begin to doubt whether the ATH will be broken. Then a bounce back to beyond $1175.

In other words, I think it'll reach $1175, then it could go up or down  Tongue



What is the real ath, technically and psychologically? I guess Gox ath is the ultimate test, since coins did change hands at that price.
769  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 02, 2017, 08:47:22 PM
I'm talking about incents from ICO SITE not bounties and etc. Cheesy

Since Karl is still out on holidays, did you try contacting INCENT team on slack?

Or you can also send an email to them team@incentloyalty.com

We're here, back from holidays shortly. Pete will be doing another round of distribution soon. Just make sure your Waves address is added to ico area.
770  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★★★ GameCredits - The future of in-game monetization ★★★ on: January 02, 2017, 08:44:54 PM
Link doesn“t work

Works for me.
771  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: December 30, 2016, 08:35:31 PM
Where are my INCENT tokens! WTF is wrong with this project where are the devs?

Hey,
Did you try updating your waves client to the latest version?

Or giving any useful information about the issue.
Likely you'll need to wait until after the break now.
772  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2016, 11:58:09 AM
Is the fact that this is the last trading work day of the year a factor?

Do some accounts need settling, is it a good time to take profit and not hold over to 2017?

Actually, are there tax implications in the US? I vaguely remember that being a thing for the end of the calendar year.
773  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: Incent Trading Thread /w escrow on: December 29, 2016, 02:35:27 PM
I thought this thread is useless no one buy Incent so far I guess just waiting on 2017 which Team working fully on their project and like manager say if 2017 they are possible to get listed in bittrex

yep this thread is useless. i was selling my 600+ Incent for 0.02 btc but no takers for two weeks. They shouldn't be releasing this token when they weren't listed yet. not sure whether because there is no real price for it or maybe this token can be a real useless as well. the team don't even offer to buy back.

It's tricky to list a token that doesn't exist.
It's relatively difficult to list a token that does, though you have more options Smiley
774  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: December 29, 2016, 02:33:03 PM
I wait price incent high but when this happens  Shocked

Well, maybe wait for merchant integration before you get too impatient?
775  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
Excitement & interest building. I'm calling $1000 before New Year's Day.

Who's with me?



Yes, I think so. I don't see us sticking here long and it's just too close to $1k not to head up, just to see what it's like there.


Disclosure i have over 20 yrs experience trading equities and forex. You get a feel for swings and movements.

The last guy I recall bragging about all his trading experience in Forex sold his coin for $150 and told us to re-buy at $30.

I have zero years of FX experience, so you should definitely listen to me.
776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2016, 01:26:19 PM
There's very little hint of FOMO, and not a sign of the 20-30% daily blowoff top that generally happens with a bubble. Which would mean we haven't really started the fun yet.
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Going up from $850 to over $950 in a week seems to me to show just the opposite. that is there is lots of FOMO or at least very good manipulation of the price.


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Um, not so much actually. 15% in a day, maybe. In a week that's just a little enthusiastic for bitcoin.
777  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2016, 09:25:08 AM

Wanna make $15k usd? Read white paper for syscoin and join us on slack at 12pm pst tom


I wipe my ass with $15K usd.... get the f-- outta here
Relax hero.. u dont like money thats fine. Im funding out of my own pocket.

I read Moby Dick for nothing once. For fifteen grand I'll read anything you want. I'll throw in my soul for free.

I read Dickens' Great Expectations at school, not once but many times. Frankly, I'd want $15k to read the back cover again.
Moby Dick is like a high-speed car chase by comparison.

So this isn't deemed off-topic, I'll opine that we are still moving up steadily at this point, with a saw-tooth rise/pull back, always higher than before. There's very little hint of FOMO, and not a sign of the 20-30% daily blowoff top that generally happens with a bubble. Which would mean we haven't really started the fun yet.
778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: December 29, 2016, 09:18:42 AM
Hello again and im here again to ask some question since karlkarlsson already said that I will receive my bounties once after Christmas and as of now I still haven't received it yet. I checked both wallet and waves explorer so im certain that I still don't receive it. I just want karlkarlsson to know that I still don't receive my signature bounty yet I have pmed him many times after Christmas and I haven't got any single reply from him.

Ok, I'm guessing he's probably still away for Christmas.
There will be a new round of distribution once Peter is back (he posted about this recently in Slack). If you think there's been a problem, Slack is the best place to resolve it - we can generally sort things pretty quickly.
779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: December 28, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
I don't understand after collecting fund why they don't be serious in bringing it to a bigger exchange like poloniex or bittrex ?
Only place where we can trade is Opel Ledger and its a down grade platform

We are still working on exchange listings - as soon as we have an agreement we will share it with you first!

We need wait some time. Bittrex at the beginning of 2017 I guess

It's very simple: adding coins is up to an exchange. We can (and have) made a request. The timeframe, or whether they list at all, is ultimately up to them.

If there is more interest from the community, they are more likely to do it, so please do let them know. We're continuing to look into various options meanwhile.
780  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 28, 2016, 12:40:15 PM
Sincere question:

Do you believe the mathematics of fibonacci sequences has anything at all to do with the supply/demand bitcoin market intrinsically?

OR: Do you believe that many traders believe that, so the effect will be the same?

OR: something else?

If Fibonacci and TA works, it is because they are able to capture human valuation psychology.  Secondary to that, indeed traders might give temporarily give a sort of positive feedback loop when key resistance levels are broken, causing movements to be violent shortly after passing resistance levels.  Of course all of this is tempered by traders anticipating these patterns and frontrunning them, so the more mature a market is, the less I would expect these patterns to be relevant.

Yes. Fib sequences being able to encapsulate human behaviour is part of it - frankly I don't believe the effect is large. Smiley

I suspect the truth contains both effects. There are examples of systems like that where 'causes' and 'effects' are hard to label and are in some kind of equilibrium. Example: general relativity where masses tell space how to curve, and then space curvature tells masses how to move.

To a significant degree it's a self-fulfilling prophesy. It works because people think other people think it works, and anticipate how they will act.
Kind of wacky, but there it is.
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