First they have to ship. Which will be in October. 2013. Or 2015. Who knows ...

Was this photo manipulated?
Who knows ...
For me it looks the same  

They should have done this before CES 2013 - so they could have presented something like this:


Look! We do have ASICS!

Another clown that can't do the math.

With 66Ghash, 400 Watt, current difficulty, $0.15/kWh, 15$/BTC your revenue per day is $152.

Once Avalon has shipped all units of their first batch difficulty will be approx. 6,000,000. Your revenue per day will still be $78.

Even with 4,000 Watt it would be $65.

You see, power consumption does not make such a big difference as BFL/Josh claims.

The war is over once all Bitcoins are mined. Until then there are only battles. And BFL lost this battle.

Maybe on 1/2 year, when BFL finally ships, Avalon - or some other company - have next gen ASICs. What will you say then? Again "We may have lost the battle gentleman, but we will win the war!".

Dream on!

Oh just shut up and do the math. Or use http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ if you are too dumb to do it yourself.

With 66Ghash, 400 Watt, current difficulty, $0.15/kWh, 15$/BTC your revenue per day is $152.

Even with 4,000 Watt you'd make $139 a day.

Even with 40,000 Watt you'd be profitable ($9 per day).

Becoin might even have a chance to win this one. Just imagine said employee is someone named Josh and his first statement will be: "Your honor,  I can't understand you over your fucking stupidity ...". 

You obviously can not read either:

They should have done this two weeks ago to show at least something at CES 2013.


Look! We do have ASICS!

How many units did you actually ship?

There are lots of posts on BFL forums where users write something like: "The shipping thread names two recipients. Therefore there are only two units shipping, QED."

We only know for sure after a week or two  

Based on their FPGA product they have good quality.

With Avalon shipping it makes no big difference if you get your BFL ASICs in 4 or in 5 weeks from now on. Difficulty will be skyhigh anyway.

From http://www.avalon-asics.com/ : "... note: Avalon will release in small batches of 300-500 every week to prevent back-order ...". That's 33THash. Per week!

If (if!) BFL will really start shipping on Feb. 16th the network will already have 130THash by then. That's 6 times of what it has today.

Good luck BFL fanboys, it will be hard to make your money back.

Yes. With BFL, Avalon and bASIC.

What about yourself?

As for BFL: I don't believe they are complete scammers. I only think they are utterly incompetent and have a terrible "information policy" (aka lie to the community). Eventually they will ship. One day ...

Josh could prove it. At least that's what he said here:


Josh never published his video. Which means that a) it does not exist - or b) shows exactly the same as Micons video.

Josh simply is a scumbag. End of story.

Why do you still have your BFL asshamster signature? The contest is long gone. You can be freeeeeeeee now.

Please, BFL, no more delays ... I'm running out of space 

Why not spend $26K more and upgrade to a Schmock?

I start:

#10: "Our clock buffers got clocked again. After switching from QFN package to FCBGA we now try to switch to PPGA. So we need 30 more days. Not a single day more. Honest Abe."


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And the winner is - AGAIN - Josh/Inaba:

From BFL_Josh:


Short version: "It's everyone else's fault but not ours! The world should revolve around us and our mini production order alone! It's just not fair. Boo-Hoo ... "


Long version:

"25 Feb 2013 Update

I know people have been waiting on an update for awhile. The simple fact of the matter is there hasn't been any solid updates to offer. I know people are desperate and starving for information and I wish I could provide new information every day, but some days there just isn't new information. Luckily there is some new information today. It's not the best information (such as we are shipping today!) but it is at least an update.

We had expected the bumping to be done by now, as per the previous update(s). That has not been completed yet. There are a number of reasons why this is the case, and we are not pleased with any of them. The bumping facility, which we have no direct contact with, did not complete the NRE on the timeline we had spoke to the packaging facility about. As I've written in previous posts, we are dealing with such an accelerated time scale that all of these facilities simply aren't used to dealing with. It's been a learning experience for both us and for the facilities we are using. The upside, such as it is, is that going forward, we will have all the large, time sucking hurdles already out of the way and the rest of the chips should breeze through without issue, as all the NRE, tooling, design, planning and machines will already be configured for what we need.

Since Friday we have been, in a word, agonizing over how to make up for lost time. Obviously, we can't make up for all the lost time, but what we have decided is to effectively burn (this is not a technical term, I simply mean we are using one of the wafers for testing instead of creating chips out of it) one of the initial six wafers for testing. This is definitely not something we wanted to do, as it will reduce our initial chip count from a potential 6000 to 5000 chips for the first set of wafers. We are doing this because it will buy us 7 - 12 days for the second set of wafers (and the remaining set of wafers down the road). The time frame between the 1st set of wafers and the 2nd set of wafers should be reduced to a matter of a few days.

Why are we burning the wafer, what advantage does that give us and how can that accelerate the timeline? As many of you already know, we have had the 2nd set of wafers holding with the last layers being unfinished until we confirm we have everything the way we want it on the first set of wafers. We've already started the process to continue laying down layers up until about the last 5 layers or so - by burning one of our precious wafers, we can send it to the ASIC engineers who can essentially wire bond it manually and test the chips, but the wafer will become useless for creating usable chips. By doing this, they will verify that everything is how it needs to be and we can give the foundry the go-ahead to finish the second set as well as the bulk of the chips immediately. The second set of wafers should be done and on their way to us by the time we get chips in house in KC, and the bulk wafers should be done shortly after that.

The test wafer is already on it's way to the ASIC labs and should arrive tomorrow. Presumably it will take a better part of the day to get everything situated and for the testing to begin, so I don't expect to hear anything until late Tuesday or sometime on Wednesday assuming everything goes well. In the meantime, the bumping facility will be bumping the remaining 5 wafers, which should be shipping out on Friday to the packaging house, whom we are paying extra to stay on for the weekend and start the packaging process. We expect at least some of the chips to be on their way to Chicago by Tuesday, where they will be mounted and sent out to our engineers and KC for testing and final MCU programming. At that point, once the MCU programming is confirmed we'll begin assembling the units. Right now, I'm planning on a week from Friday to be the day, but I'm just gonna say that's subject to change at the moment, although I don't anticipate a change right now.

The ASIC team has promised me pictures of the wafer tomorrow, Tuesday the 26th. As soon as I get those, I will be posting them. As soon as I hear something with regards to the chip testing, I will be posting that as well. If I'm not posting an update, it's because there's nothing new to report."