The real problem here is, as has already been at least partially mentioned: 1. The lack of transparency in the process. 2. The lack of communication. 3. The lies and false promises made by BFL Support Staff. 4. Delay after delay. 5. The just plain ludicrous decisions. Perhaps transparency would clear these up. 6. The fact that most decisions made by BFL seem completely arbitrary, and nothing... NOTHING pisses off customers more than arbitrary decision making. When your actions are not predictable in a given situation, you are wrong. Period. So while this post is nice and all, I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish other than to distract from the real issues surrounding BFL. My situation, that has been on going since October 2012, is still unresolved. I am not the only one in this situation and there are plenty of others in similar situations. ... Maybe this is the wrong thread to bring any of this up, but I don't want people to be distracted by this kind of thread from the real issue of BFL being unable to meet their obligations to even moderate sized customers, especially when you are trying to gain new customers who will end up completely screwed when the BFL house of cards comes crashing down. Sound familiar? Well, it is  ...
The real problem here is, as has already been at least partially mentioned:
1. The lack of transparency in the process.
2. The lack of communication.
3. The lies and false promises made by MTGox Support Staff with regards to AML/KYC.
4. Delay after delay, ostensibly under the guise of AML.
5. The just plain ludicrous decisions (Goat as an example). Perhaps transparency would clear these up.
6. The fact that most decisions made by MTGox seem completely arbitrary, and nothing... NOTHING pisses off customers more than arbitrary decision making. When your actions are not predictable in a given situation, you are wrong. Period.
So while this post is nice and all, I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish other than to distract from the real issues surrounding MTGox. My situation, that has been on going since April, is still unresolved. I am not the only one in this situation and there are plenty of others in similar situations.
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Maybe this is the wrong thread to bring any of this up, but I don't want people to be distracted by this kind of thread from the real issue of MTGox being unable to meet their obligations to even moderate sized customers, especially when you are trying to gain new customers who will end up completely screwed when the Gox house of cards comes crashing down.
Nice to see that Josh Zerlan / Inaba has the same problems with MtGox that the Bitcoin community has with him and BFL. Is it a Bitcoin issue that it attracts so many felons and scumbags? Or is BFL only one black sheep? I more and more come to the conclusion that this unregulated Bitcoin Wild West Cowboy territory will finally eat itself. |
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Wäre es nicht denkbar das dieses Projekt schon viel älter ist als der Vorgänger, also das aktuelle Projekt nur zur Finanzierung des zukünftigen erschaffen wurde?
Nein, es ist genau anders herum. Das neue Projekt bzw. dessen Pre-Orders werden zur (Rest-)Finanzierung des aktuellen Projekts benötigt.  Sehe ich genau so. BFL hat die letzten Monate sicherlich viel Geld verbrannt. Mit Re-Designs (ASIC, Gehäuse, Board), mit Re-Runs (Chips), mit Warterei (Lohnkosten). Würde mich nicht wundern, wenn denen das (Pre-Order) Geld ausging und die jetzt dringend neues brauchen um den Laden am Laufen zu halten. Die fürstlichen Gehälter von Sonny & Josh wollen schließlich weiterhin gezahlt werden |
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... This is what one should expect from a company that is headed by a convicted criminal. I only found this out after I ordered.
And this is exactly why BFL should get a scammer tag: To make new members of this community think twice before they give money to this company. By the way: This is what Inaba / Josh Zerlan (COO of BFL) thinks about us: ... Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be. ...
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It's a Ponzi scheme.
" In reality, Ponzi was paying early investors using the investments of later investors. This type of scheme is now known as a "Ponzi scheme".
Maybe later generations will call it the " Inaba scheme" |
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I think his first video showing the unboxing of the Jalapeno back in April basically caught my eye and put my thoughts at ease about BFL.
Dog and pony show. Was very obvious. David Perry (Coding In My Sleep) sold his soul for one measly Jalapeno.  |
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You, sir, are a liar (just like the OP)! Congrats... but we already knew that.
"liar", "retard" and "idiot" - would Inaba be able to build one single sentence without one of those three words? The clown has his own entry on urbandictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Inaba |
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" With the ongoing frustration with Butterfly Labs (BFL), and their inability to ship product, I finally had hit my limit and asked for a refund. Of course, if you have hit this page many of you will know that BFL has a (legally questionable) “no refund policy”. ..." Read more: http://tarspublishing.com/butterflyrefund/ |
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They've been taking pre-orders for ASICS early 2012, they have now taken more than 12-18 months to deliver on their products.
Of course, this is a lie. Not a single order's scheduled delivery date is more than 10 months old. Where you get the claim of 12 - 18 months is beyond me, but it's completely, unequivocally false (in other words, an outright lie.) Official shipping update from BFL_Jody from https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/296-monday-august-19-2013-shipping-update.html: Jalapenos: All 4.5 gh/s Jalapenos through Dec 31, 2012 pay date shipped today. Anyone with a 6.5 gh/s upgraded Jalapeno will be shipped tomorrow through this paydate.
Little Singles: Oct. 5, 2012 pay date
Singles: July 3, 2012 pay date
MiniRigs: MiniRigs for June 23 (2nd 500gh/s unit) and July 22 for 1st 500 gh/s This line was static with no shipments today.
July 3, 2012 and June 23, 2012 was more than 12 month ago, no? Josh, maybe you should talk to your colleges more often.  |
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What we know about BFL so far: - BFL was late with their generation 1 miners (FPGA). Units consumed considerably more power than originally advertised.
- BFL was (is!) way behind schedule with their generation 2 miners (ASICS). Units consumed way more power than originally advertised.
Question is: Will history repeat (a third time) for BFL? Let's keep track of the Monarch updates - and see if the locusts descend this time (on time)  |
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With the new 28nm BFL technology just around the corner - is your project still worth it?
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When I see these pictures around the forum with all the CEOs of asic miners together (BFL, KNC, ButterflyLabs, Avalon, AM, etc), I start to think that all of them are coordinated discussing the hashing power that they are releasing to the network so they can put a price accordingly.
Do you think that is like that? Is this the begining of a bitcoin mafia?
I'm not sure if this is the beginning of the Bitcoin Mafia - or if the Mafia is already there. But when I look back at the last 12 month I have to conclude: The idea of Bitcoin is dead. It started altruistic, to give the banksters the finger - but it ended up attracting all sorts of scum (crooks, psychopaths, convicted felons). Greed seems to be the predominant attribute of mankind. Whether the mammons name is Gold, US-Dollar - or Bitcoin. Makes no difference ... |
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By the time you get your product back, Difficulty is too high and they came up with a better, cheaper product that they will deliver sooner.
I assume the ones that are really fucked are the poor fellas that bought BFL chips. |
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Only 77 percent say BFL is a scam? Seriously? After BFL pulled a Monarch out of their hat?
A Monarch, that miraculously can cancel formerly uncancelable (pre) orders?
From BFL's webpage: "Transferring your order to a new 28nm Mining Card will cancel your old order completely. ..."
Could anyone explain how a customer can "transfer" an order - but is not allowed to receive a refund because of BFL's "all sales are final" statement?
That means, the argument "we cannot refund you because we already spent resources to build up your device" becomes a fallacy if an order "transfer" is allowed.
How can BFL justify this "non refunds" policy any longer?
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Why then not buy BTC at bitstamp for example, where price is lower? The difference between Gox and others is still rising.
Oh great idea! I wonder why nobody else had this idea /sarcasm off  It doesn't matter if you sell your Bitcoins on MtGox for 100, 1000 or one gazillion USD per BTC - as long as there's no way to withdraw your funds. |
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Edit: Now if Slock turned....damn...you'd know that so much shit hit the fan that the fan fell from the ceiling from the sheer weight of it all.
Slok actually does work for BFL. Either this, or he has some very (very!) good inside connections to information only BFL staff can now. |
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Putting on a fresh pot of coffee, Simon's on his way  Eduardo deCastro Founder and CEO, HashFast "It's -on-"? What is on? The thread-starter frenzy? Does the HashFast crew really has to start 5 new threads per day? |
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It's 3:00 AM Paris time, and I do enjoy reading threads usually.
Nasser
Of course you read them not logged it. Smart move. I still believe Jeff Ownby is using this account. One of the mods could easily clarify this (checking the IP from where BFL-Engineer posted this). @BFL-Engineer, would this be OK for you? |
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Regarding power consumption, Radeon 5970 and 5870 both consume more power than our card does, the very reason we took this design approach.
Regards,
Nasser
My 5870 used to consume about 200 Watt. It seems you don't know the power consumption of the card you claim you have designed (350 Watt). Maybe you should take a look at your own web site  |
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