... retard ... idiot ... liar ... moron ... tool ... lowlife ...
Josh is to ASIC as Amy is to Bakery   |
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BFL lost alot of trust from its customers.
This is the last product line they will sell, even they want to release other versions they wont sell enough to make any profit.
They slowely kill their own company with those delays, non relevant (For customers) changes on their hardware.
This is why I am especially concerned! - They kill their reputation step by step, with every new lie from Josh, with every new delay. They might announce one day a v2.0 ASIC, but no one will ever order from them again. - They already have our money (we all paid 100% upfront). -> So what's their incentive to keep the company alive and finally ship their products - and not just take the money and run? |
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Very interesting. Maybe competition will help them get orders out the door...
They already have the money (remember: customers had to pay fully upfront). There's no pressure on them to ever deliver. |
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Everyone else will sue BFL to get a refund if BFL refuses. The legal costs and refunds will quickly cause them to go out of business.
This could all happen very suddenly once we cross that difficulty threshold. It's probably in the couple hundred million range, maybe 3 to 500 million?
There won't be enough money to refund everybody. They had running expenses, labor costs, rent, research and development expenses, Josh & Sonny surely got a big piece of the cake too. If panic, panic first. This is the wholesome lesson a lot of us learnt after the Dotcom crash in 2000, when everybody wanted to get out at the same time. |
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Maybe I have missed it, but I haven't seen anyone actually state any contractual obligations that were ignored by BFL. I think this may greatly help your case.
If there are none, it is possible that they are abusing the loose obligations placed upon them. Even if they are not specifically violating their agreement, at some point the line has to be drawn. I think that is what this poll is asking.
Maybe you should have a read at this here: This is all in September of the year 2012. I was led to believe according to this evidence that the units were to begin shipping soon. So as a consumer I based my decision on this. At the time I did not know any of the history behind the BFL company. Check the links and most important CHECK THE DATES. JOSH what were you shipping soon in Nov? that turned in to Dec? Is this clear enough for you to understand now? https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/16-announcement-bfl-asic-release-specifications.htmlHere is an image I have copied in case the page disappears  Josh Zerlan, a BFL representative, expects to have chips in hand by the end of November and begin initial shipments shortly after. The number of units to be shipped in the first batch has not yet been determined. Josh also released new photos of the heat sinks for our viewing pleasure. http://bitcoinmagazine.com/bfl-confirms-65nm-process-for-sc-lineup/  Go check the dates This is not the only instance i found and this is pretty damning evidence that I believe no one could refuse. Then you have this http://bitcoinmagazine.com/butterfly-labs-releases-more-asic-photos/ which is dated for Oct 19, 2012. Here is an image of the page title along with the date highlighted.  And now look at the comments made. Wow better hurry and get those pre-orders in NOW!!!  Notice the dates moving along? |
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creativex, Frizz23, thanks for the quick shutdown of Kuzushi. I was hesitating to call him a BFL shill but its quite obvious. They are everywhere on this forum. I was often wondering what all those BFL employes (from this company video) do all day. Surely they can't assemble ASIC miners - since those are still in prototyping phase. But when you go to http://forums.butterflylabs.com/ you know what they do all day: Keeping a clean and positive "aura", praise and cheer BFL to the skies ... |
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[lots of bullcrap deleted]
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Yes....I said early adopter because if you think the BFL preorder list is big now just wait and see what happens after we get our orders filled and this forum lights up like a tree at Christmas with people saying....I just got my order!!! When that happens the order list will grow by 30 to 50 times and the company will have no choice but to raise their prices in an effort to balance the order flow with their ability to deliver.
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You BFL shills have no shame, have you? Trying to lure even more people into this pre-order pyramid scam. - speechless - |
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A hundred chips a week will just make 50 x Jalapenos.
I wouldn't be putting them in anything else, the object being to get the maximum possible number of orders out of the way with each batch of chips.
BFLs objective is to make family&friends happy (BFL bootlickers like grnbrg and Lab_Rat already got their Jalapenos) and to create a media frenzy (shipping Jalapenos and future Single SCs to journalists & magazines - instead of paying customers). This is where the 100 chips will go. |
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Well, what I estimate from their twitter feed, is that units ordered in Feb would be shipped around and about May-June.
Units ordered today would currently ship in 2 months.
LOL. You are funny. If you mean May-June 20 14 then you might be correct. Based on BFLs track record of failures there's no way in hell they'll ship Feb orders in June. |
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...cedartec?  BFL? Nah ... just kidding.  |
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... one of the asic thing that will come in july
July which year? 2014 or 2015? |
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BFL_Josh: "Originally Posted by swissminer Hi Josh
I understand your frustration. Having worked in IT as an engineer and project management consultant, I believe that you could not survive in a corporate environment if you would tell your customers or superiors, it is done when it is done.
Certainly there were numerous key mistakes made along the process or BFL would not be in this situation. Giving a concise end date, when really overall schedule uncertainty was in the order of >100% was one of them. Huh... my past employment history would seem to disagree with your assessment. I have told many a supervisor that it will be done when it's done. That's the thing about being in a position where your skills are valued and you aren't just another cog in the machine. You are the one driving the timeline, because you produce results. If someone is telling you when something will be done, you aren't the one delivering results... the guy or gal telling you when to do it is the one delivering results. You're just a replaceable part at that point." And here we seem to cut to the chase of BFLs failure: Arrogance and total lack of project management. Josh: "I have told many a supervisor that it will be done when it's done."Never in my whole work experience (25 years in IT) did any one of my superiors accept a "it's done when it's done". They always wanted to have some estimate (time, effort or money wise). This simply is the way professionals work. Josh: "That's the thing about being in a position where your skills are valued and you aren't just another cog in the machine."Josh is hinting that only in "his position" one can do whatever he wants, because his skills are so much more valuable than the skills of anyone else (aka us worker slaves). That he doesn't have to play by the rules. This ignorance and this arrogance will be the downfall of BFL. |
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... at some point the line has to be drawn.
The line will draw itself. Once difficulty is so high that BFL devices won't make any money people will stop pre-ordering. And start requesting refunds in masses. Until then: Greed will fuel BFLs order queue. |
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They don't update here anymore?
No. Now I do the updates for them:  Just advertise?
Yes. Advertise and collect money. No shipping. |
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**UNITE BEHIND LITECOIN** (Why?)
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Why? Because you have lots of them. That's why. |
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Please describe the ASIC design process in detail and the associated costs? I would like to learn how you can burn through several million dollars in a few months.
Oh that's quite simple: Just ask them BFL Cowboys how they did it. - always blindly trust your subcontractors - do no Project Management at all - waste money on (unnecessary) bullet runs - go mass production (50.000 chips), then do a prototype, then figure out your design is borked, then redesign, ... - make tons of boxes with fans, that you can all throw away because your devices need much bigger casings (because of heat issues) - and the list goes on and on ... Seriously dude, just ask BFL how to get from one big fail to the next big fail. And the next. And the next ... |
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I contacted AMD about 2 years ago and suggested that they spend a few transistors for optimized SHA-256 operations for Bitcoin mining. Of course I never got a reply ...
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So I see that BFL has started shipping their 5.0Gh machines.
They shipped a handful to family&friends. Then stopped shipping again. ... and what the potential wait time on one would be if I ordered today?
Have you ever wondered why BFLs company logo and the symbol for Infinity look the same? Because it takes them til infinity to ship ... Butterfly Labs: Infinity: |
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