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901  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bit Funder] [btcquick] [Rising profits] on: October 18, 2013, 12:18:14 PM

Why are you not putting the stock up on crypto stocks, if labcoin can be listed on it, i don;t see why a legitiamate company like BTCquick can not be listed on it
Exactly because of that.
If a stock exchange allows shady companies, it is itself shady.
Hence legit companies should want to have nothing to do with that.
902  Other / Off-topic / Re: Iranian survives death sentence - and sheduled for repeating hanging on: October 18, 2013, 11:46:20 AM
Of course they hang him again. Suspending the sentence would be unfair.
Actually in any sane country if you survive a death sentence, that would be converted to a life sentence in prison.
Actually in any sane country there wouldn't be death sentences in the first place.
903  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC not so anonymous with Coinbase? on: October 18, 2013, 11:44:14 AM
If you then move to another address of yours, nobody without records of your addresses can be sure they are still yours.
904  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 18, 2013, 09:37:47 AM
Most likely it was a transaction with a coinbase input.
I.e. MtGox is mining too?
905  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 18, 2013, 09:36:29 AM
The idea that they'd be worth anything based on them finding another business to make money from is naive.
And why is that?

They failed when they needed to do the next step and build something more complex.
But they showed they are able to create something from scratch, which basically is what they would do if they started studying fields like immersion cooling.
As I said, it's like a new IPO, only they already have the funds and we already have the shares, and we at least know it's not a scam (much better than many others).

906  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 18, 2013, 08:03:16 AM
it's true that if the gen 2 were supposed to be 60nm then it would be outdated by the time that they came out. I just hope that the gen 3 would be around 28nm full custom so that we stay competitive with the likes of Cointerra, Hashfast and KnCminer
If they managed to fail gen2 despite such an headstart, how can you hope they will succeed in a much more difficult task on the same field, like gen 3 is?
On the other hand, completely switching field might make sense, at least there is some chance they'll again use their creativity to build something the market wants.
907  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 18, 2013, 07:54:55 AM
Companies who are willing to shoot themselves in the foot by producing patently false information often do so because they see the end of the tunnel...and there is no light there.  I honestly hope that Mt. Gox succeeds but it is questionable enough to me at this point that I drew down my exposure in the case of a collapse. [...] if one has their eyes open certain signs can sometimes be noted.
+1

Why some people still trust it is beyond me.

(actually it's pretty clear: blind greed, as always. They will get burnt. At this point, after all this time, they will have deserved it.)
908  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 18, 2013, 07:42:31 AM
I only hope that the gen 2 and 3 chips have priority over this...
I'm not sure.
Apparently we have already lost with gen2, so pushing it further might be just wasting money.
Starting something new like specialised cooling systems instead, might give us the lead in that field, in case we are successfull.
909  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad. on: October 18, 2013, 07:31:02 AM
It really is a good newbie trust list. That said, the very first thing I did was remove DefaultTrust and only put in trust levels for folks that I've actually done business with. It didn't some as a surprise to me that my trust list now pretty much looks like DefaultTrust. There's a reason why these folks are trusted, and it's because they are willing to do trades and use the trust system. If you don't like it, start trading and get enough trust going so that you can affect the system.
I don't get your point.

My point is that with a DefaultTrust you can't leave a negative feedback on someone who is in DefaultTrust.

You point is?
910  Economy / Securities / Re: [Bit Funder] [btcquick] [Rising profits] on: October 17, 2013, 01:43:51 PM
Having all the legal opinions in the world won't stop btcquick getting shutdown it might keep the owner out of jail but thats about it.
Are you suggesting that in that case the owner should just risk getting to jail, instead?
911  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Proposta: vietare di usare MtGox come prezzo di riferimento on: October 17, 2013, 01:42:08 PM
Bisogna informare, non c'è alcun bisogno (neanche modo) di vietare.
Modo sì.
Se poi si decide di non farlo per scelta, ok.
Se effettivamente non si impediscono neanche gli scam, come ha detto Stemby, allora viene da sé che non si impedisca neanche questo, ci mancherebbe (non sono d'accordo, ma almeno apprezzo la coerenza).
912  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 17, 2013, 01:05:07 PM
Its official no money to leave US after Nov.17th. Deposit will you can.


There is a misspelling in the letter.  It says "Thank you for using Chase" where it should say "Fuck you for using Chase".
lol.

Does this ban affect all accounts, or business accounts are exempt?
913  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: October 17, 2013, 12:47:55 PM
once all of this hashrate is deployed (126 Thash/s) with current difficulty we will get around

per Week   ฿1,656.75   $233,932.99

which means 0,004 BTC per share. That is not counting the HW sales, I see some light on the horizon Smiley
does this, again, assume that meanwhile the competition deploys nothing?
914  Economy / Securities / Re: [LABCOIN] IPO [BTCT.CO] - Details/FAQ and Discussion (ASIC dev/sales/mining) on: October 17, 2013, 11:25:20 AM
the 50TH he promised this month will be enough for the moment, hopefully he is going to finally back up his words.
If your business strategy is based on hope, I've got bad news for you...
915  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult on: October 17, 2013, 10:51:01 AM
In reality the likes of programmers and much before that income don't gain anything from basic income. Atleast if the system isn't totally crazy. Their tax burden is increase by the amount of basic income.
Wrong, if it is implemented so, it would be a total disaster.

Basic income is basic income is basic income.

If you "give it but take it back" it is just like not giving it, i.e. just like the systems we already have and do not work.
916  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult on: October 17, 2013, 10:37:39 AM
Mh yes probably it should be also available with the people having a "C" residence permit (need a job for this).

But I think there would be a strong Pull-effect on immigrants, no matter if they can get the basic income (C residence permit) or not.
Actually it matters a lot, if you think about it.

If a programmer is paid, say, 8500 CHF per month, and basic income of 2500 CHF is intruduced, then someone with basic income will actually get 11000 CHF per month.
Then, why should you go to work there from abroad, when natives are paid much more than you?
You'll likely search elsewhere.
917  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: October 17, 2013, 09:23:21 AM
Suing a company for keeping to their own ToS which the user accepted?  Only in America..
Actually, in every civilised country you can't "write just anything" in a contract.
Illegal is illegal is illegal, doesn't matter if it's written down in a piece of signed paper.
Or are you suggesting that you really believe that if you sign a contract which says you should murder someone, that contract is valid?
True, but i doubt "user pays fees to third parties" is illegal.  To murder someone is illegal under most circumstances.  To pay a fee is not.  If paying fees is illegal, you may have a case against all Bitcoin exchanges and most banks as well.
"You doubt"?
What are you talking about?
It's a violation of what's called the "pre-existing duty rule" in contract law. If you're in the US, you paid the 5%, and got your money, you can sue in Delaware Small Claims Court and try to get the 5% back.
918  Local / Mercato valute / Re: [VENDO] BITCOIN AL PREZZO LIVE DI MTGOX meno 2%!SCONTI PER ACQUISTI CONSISTENTI on: October 17, 2013, 09:19:17 AM
questa è una cosa che al cliente non dà fastidio, quindi non credo questi siano affari tuoi. inoltre chiedo al moderatore di bloccare questi commenti inutili sul mio topic che non hanno nulla a che fare con la mia attività.
Se qualcuno in un forum che frequento si comporta in tale modo, sì, mi riguarda eccome.
919  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult on: October 17, 2013, 09:17:56 AM
The only fault I see with it is there don't seem to be any measures to contain it
The biggest problem IMO is that it is subject to inflation, hence either you inflate the base supply causing even more inflation, or inflation will de-facto destroy that base supply to be worthless.

Solution would be instead of giving a money base supply, provinding for free everything you need to live (and I do mean everything), and using money only for people who actually work and want to spend on "extras".
920  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Swiss to vote on 2,500 franc basic income for every adult on: October 17, 2013, 09:04:22 AM
The question here is about human nature. One must be careful when reasoning about it, because all people are not the same (like oneself, for example):
- "all people think like me, and I would (not) work, so the system would be great (not)"
- or "I work exclusively for money, thus nobody works for fun or any other motive"
- or "I would not work as a janitor, so nobody would"

Nobody even considers other possibilities to get something done
Big +1
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