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921  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: July 17, 2015, 06:24:26 PM
If you have little money ,invest in high risk high return stuff.

If you have alot of money invest in low risk low return stuff.


You cannot double a billion overnight, but you can 100$ easily.
922  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: July 17, 2015, 06:22:20 PM

  • Pay off all debts first!  I see student loans mentioned a bunch, and it is unfortunate that that cost hinders people, but with a college education you should earn enough to pay these off in a reasonable time frame.


Haha that is not true, actually you lose less money if you pay your debts last.

With the amount of inflation, the the ultra low interest rates, you wanna pay the debts last.


Why? Because by the time you pay it back, you paid back less than you borrowed due to inflation Smiley
923  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BOD] Bloodcoin | End the Bloodshed|0.11.2.28| POW|Quark|NO ICO|256|MN on: July 17, 2015, 06:20:21 PM
Watching this altcoin closely, if it performs good i`ll buy some of it, but please work harder on it.
924  Economy / Economics / Re: What can greece central bank do? on: July 17, 2015, 06:18:48 PM
Actually the greek central bank, the best thing they can do is to: dissolve themselves.

Yes folks, central banks led us into this mess, we dont need them to mess up the situation anymore.
925  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Best way to earn Bitcoins? on: July 17, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
it feels like i am losing more money than i can make, using faucets Cheesy

Try out trading altcoin, guys I cant emphasize enough, these coins hit 600-700 satoshi.

For example at Yobit you buy an altcoin at 6-7 satoshi and sell it back at 800-900. There cannot exist an easier way to earn bitcoins.
926  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: July 17, 2015, 06:14:02 PM
Gold removes all third party risk.  You hold it in your hands, its yours and requires no other input.  You can sell, barter and trade at will completely off grid.


The ever increasing and more advanced fakery certainly adds a healthy chunk of third party risk. Actually getting someone else to accept your gold in exchange for something is likely to be a hard sell too beyond a hard core.

Once you step beyond what you can hold in your hands it becomes vapour along with all the other financial products.

Definitely, you dont want to hold 10 tons of gold bars below your bed to find out it was actually wolfram-led bars plate with gold paint.
927  Other / Off-topic / Re: How do you earn money online? on: July 17, 2015, 05:46:01 PM
from signature campaigns, I think

trading is m favorite way to lose money

To lose? Eh, if you just buy MTLMC3 on Yobit, which is pretty cheap, i think you can make a 30x return on it.
928  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin as a Retirement Account on: July 17, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
hmm nice idea , i will do that soon.
spare some income every month to bitcoin and keep that for couple years.
maybe it will worth alot in the future , or that will great legacy to my sons  Grin
but that can happen if bitcoin still worth in the future.

I have a gut feeling that bitcoin will be worth 10x, 30x more than what it is today, and that day isn't that far. Just a couple years down the line, let's say 10 years and bitcoin's price will be 10x considering things are developing and rising exactly how they are in today's pace.

Comparing bitcoin to the current gdp, assuming things go our way and people put their savings money down and invest unto thr bitcoin venture, the value of a single bitcoin can rise upto 1 million dollars. Considering people put down money more than just their savings,nthe value can shoot even much more. However, thats just an assumption/theory and a dream.

yes, but this is a dream which might actually come true. Recent adoption and support bitcoin has supported is gradually going higher than vice versa, it is receiving fair attention from people. The Greek economic collapse made people realize how dangerous centralized currency can be, and how banks can screw its customers at their worst times. Bitcoin is a suitable alternative, if not a replacement.



You are right , bitcoin has gotten a lot of support and acceptance since a while and more is yet to  come. This is just the beginning . Yes, after the greek crisis , people have come to realize how messed up the centralized banks are , and obviously wanting something to quickly cling on, looked at bitcoin as a viable option. Maybe this is the beginning of the time where centralized banks are gonna be compelled to abdicate the empire for bitcoin to be on the throne.



Not just the central banks, but the private banks aswell.

The only thing that guaranttes your money is that small investment insurance up to 100.000€, but even that cannot cover it, if all banks fail.

So basically, using a bank in 2015, anywhere in the world, is the biggest risk of all times, and you only get a reward of 1% interest.

C`mon the risk/reward ratio is fucked up
929  Other / Off-topic / Re: IS UFO or ALIENS are real ? on: July 17, 2015, 05:42:59 PM
UFO is an unidentified flying object, it doesn't necessary mean it came from space (unidentified as in weather parachutes in the darkness, military planes etc etc...).

Or they might be alien planes that have been recovered since the roswell incident who knows.
930  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Today it is Greece. Tomorrow it can be you. on: July 17, 2015, 05:35:17 PM

Not much siting around watching soap since i dont have a television. I got a bunch of computers so i dont need television....


As a capitalist you should be aware that the banking system is the main driving force of capitalism. If i have an idea for a busyness i need money to start it. There the banks come in and help me out so i can get it going.

Inflasion rate is also a capitalism tool. To low and the investment rate slows down. To high and investments get to risky. Every country in the world strives to get inflasion to the right level.

I do think there are others who should read up on capitalism. You could ask those who are manipulating bitcoin price. They seem to know their stuff.

Acutally its not the banking system, its the stock market, we could be perfectly fine without a banking system.

Banks are a bronze age institution when people had physical wealth that needed to be protected, with bitcoin we dont even need the banking system at all.

Inflation is not capitalism, its a central bank invention, the biggest scam of all financial history -> Central banks are a communist insitution (central planning)

You obviously talking about keynesian economics which is a communist doctrine, try reading into austrian school of economics, you would be englightened very fast:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School


931  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Today it is Greece. Tomorrow it can be you. on: July 17, 2015, 05:27:09 PM
Communism is beautiful in theory. But unfortunatly do not work in pracsis due to the nature of humans. Humans are selfish, you need to be unselfish for communism to work, even though you work harder and better than the person next to you, you have to accept that you get the same, even accept that he get more. I would love a world where there was no money, no one was rich no one was poor, people just strive to educate them self and contribute. But it will not happen because of the nature of the human genome.
That sounds exactly like the current system and not like communism.

Even in theory its horrible. How can you seriously imagine a world where everyone is the same , equal.

It would be the most boring world ever and everyone would commit suicide, and the whole race would dissapear.

Diversity is what gives excitement in life.
In communism people are just the same, when it comes to how much they get paid. Being free from the fear of not earning enough money to survive, people could be just more creative about the work they employ, that would even lead to more diversity (in theory).
I also don't think, communism(the real one) would work well, but it's still terrible what people think, communism is about.

Fear of not earning enough money? That is exactly because of socialism.

Its very simple let me explain in 1 minute:


The wheel of the Devil

1)Government regulates economy / overtaxes it (central planning communist doctrine) to pay for welfare and
subsidy
                                                            |                                                                                                                    
                                                            v
2)There are not many companies only the crony friends of politicians get permits and tax cuts (who then donate to campaigns and corrupt politicians)
                                                            |                                                                                                                    
                                                            v
3)Less jobs are being created because small family businesses get persecuted and shut down by government to eradicate the competition for their megacorporation friends
                                                            |                                                                                                                    
                                                            v
4)Workers are valued less and treated like slaves (since alot of supply of workers, but less demand , supply & demand relationship since less)
                                                            |                                                                                                                    
                                                            v
5)Your salary sucks and you get paid minimal wage because too much unemployment (and even the employed get paid less because the value of the worker is less when there is alot of unemployed people and few employers)
                                                            |                                                                                                                    
                                                            v
6)You start crying to me on this forum about too little government regulation & welfare, and why the government doesn't protect workers from "evil" capitalists (when it was them that fucked it all up)
                                                            |                                                                                                                    
                                                            v
7)Here we go again..it repeats.. and everytime it gets worse


So fuck communism/socialism/corporative fascism, we need libertarianism to remove the state from the economy, and then we might have a chance to become financially independent Smiley
932  Other / Off-topic / Re: Are you a virgin? on: July 17, 2015, 05:17:18 PM
I was fked in the ass by banksters, i`m surely no virgin anymore  Huh
933  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: July 17, 2015, 05:16:28 PM


Wanna play with my balls too Cheesy Cheesy
934  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin trending in greece! on: July 17, 2015, 05:14:17 PM
You dont need to save the whole country, you just need to save the poor people. The middle class and the rich ones will surely not starve.

If the poor people get saved (not through endless welfare and socialism) but through offering them innovation and an opportunity to earn money.

Look bitcoin has created more jobs in its existence than all governments on the world combined since then....
Unless you are willing to give people free bitcoin then you can't save them with it. From my experience I can say that people who are poor don't give a shit about new technologies, alternate currencies or investing.
First you need to fix general economy for bitcoin to be present in every part of society. For now it is used by only people who already have money to spend on 'investments'.
And that job part... it is not true at all. I wish it was truth tho.

Free bitcoin? Why? Everyone has an arm and a leg, so they can work...

There are thousands of "work at home" services (most are scam) but if bitcoin gets to those, it can be even easier to earn bitcoin by working from home.

It can be a massive new wave of jobs and employment, outside the government controlled sinking ship economy.

It's a perfect alternative especially for young 20-30 skilled persons, who already are computer experts, and have the most unemployment in their age group.
935  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin trending in greece! on: July 17, 2015, 05:10:40 PM
Actually I'm not sure bitcoin trending can raise the economy of Greece immediately, which the main reasons of why Greece got bankrupt were corruption and bribe in the government. The Greece people can switch into bitcoin, but they still can't avoid high tax from the government. But anyway, Greece has shown positive trend in bitcoin development there.

you can't suppose that a 4B marketcap asset can save a whole country like the greece, and they know that(those that are aware of bitcoin at least...) so it's pointless for them to adopt bitcoin, and enrich early adopters as a consequence of their buying

no one it taking bitcoin seriously for the time being

You dont need to save the whole country, you just need to save the poor people. The middle class and the rich ones will surely not starve.

If the poor people get saved (not through endless welfare and socialism) but through offering them innovation and an opportunity to earn money.

Look bitcoin has created more jobs in its existence than all governments on the world combined since then....

you can not know who is rich and who is not, some are hiding their wealth, to gain even more  wealth, the richer always want to become richer, that's the problem, they are greedy as fuck

so you will end up saving who don't need to be saved, and wasting precious money on it, while many other real poor people will starve to death



I`m pretty sure that poor old guy who was crying in front of the ATM (been all over the news) didnt had a stack of euros under his pillow.

So obviously because of wealth hiding, thats perfectly legit ( Universal Declaration of Human rights, UN human rights, and EU human laws perfectly allow right to property, so fuck the thief banksters and tax collectors , atleast follow the fkin laws that you made dumbass elite)

So instead of wealth redistribution, why not just create new wealth for poor people?

Isnt it more moral to create new wealth instead of redistributing (stealing) and giving to the poor?
936  Economy / Economics / Re: Will a bank being hacked boost adoption of bitcoin? on: July 17, 2015, 05:07:09 PM
Isn't it sure to happen, sooner or later, that some country's central bank, or banking system, gets hacked? If that happened it'd shake peoples' confidence in the banking system, which most think is more robust than the likes of the blockchain, simply because banks are centralised systems. I guess some people would then look at the likes of bitcoin, but even it's not invulnerable - or is it?

I do not think it would make any difference for bitcoin because it is more likely of  BTC getting hacked than the whole banks getting robbed or hacked or whatever.  How would this raise the trust of people for bitcoin. The security issue of bitcoin is a major issue which is yet to be fixed. If that does happen, the people wouldn't stop trusting banks . They would probably stop depositing their money in that bank's name which has been hacked.

Actually its not, banks are much bigger targets at the moment, just look at political hacking, when china hacks us banks and vice versa.

I`m sure bitcoin is not a target yet, however these strange forum ddos-es could very well come from political zones.

But as of chance, its probably easier to hack a bank because you can infiltrate insiders there, while in bitcoin there is no central plant which to attack.
937  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: July 17, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
Gold is shiny and looks pretty if your that type of character where you fund happiness and comfort from physical stuff lke gold then it is better for you

Now dont tell me that you dont own gold at all. Everyone of us here own some gold products, be that a ring or necklace or just a few coins.

But i was telling here that gold is not a currency, it isnt. That doesnt mean that  i cannot have gold at home.
938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Virocoin (VIRO) Crypto Currency on: July 17, 2015, 04:58:17 PM
!!Scam Alert!!



Every single time I open the Virocoin core, my antivirus detects this virus. Now I`ve been using virocoin for about 2 months now, but i just recently changed antivirus.

It smells like a scam to me. If you see closely, the virus is exactly on the main website virocoin.com/hfiasuhfiasi


Why would you have a hidden virus on a webpage named /askjhdasdiahisfuaifs.html?

Why would you have a webpage named /asfoasjow98jodeasijfos at all?

Seems to me that the website owner tries to hide a sneaky virus on a randomly named .html webpage 

The "viroparam" could mean virusparam? Eh, smells very scammy to me.  Huh
939  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DUB] DUB [FULL REBRAND][BITTREX][YOBIT][MUSIC STREAMING] on: July 15, 2015, 02:09:08 AM
I designed this DUB logo, I hope you like it guys!




If you like it donate some DUB here please:

64PK9MpiZSbTWRx4seXyjUiKX9NqKguPfJ


Ok here are more logos, I hope you like my work Smiley





If you like it donate some DUB here please:
64PK9MpiZSbTWRx4seXyjUiKX9NqKguPfJ

Nice artistic skills, I`ll donate to you. I start to feel that this community is the best altcoin community there is.

I think we need to buy more DUB folks, now that we got plenty of new logos, it can definitely become the best coin for musicians.
940  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Did you earn some bitcoin today? on: July 15, 2015, 12:38:13 AM
I earned from yobit, more than 1 btc from my investments in DUB, CYC and MTLMC3, but i havent cashed out yet, its a very good investment in my view.

Wow, well good investment, i saw that DUB coin but wasnt very attractive. But 1btc profit is too much, good job.

I still havent sold ,and not selling for a long time, these coins can go really up, i mean in the zone of 50.000 satoshi/coin, and then i can make 700,000% returns , this is not HYIP, this is real investing in altcoins, no wonder why so many traders come here to make money Smiley

May i ask you how much did you buy each coin? i was buying at @200 at the beginning but seems it has drop now

I got 100.000 DUB, and I bought at 110, holding until 800 satoshi.
I got 150.000 CYC, bought at 41, holding until 900-1500, it has alot of potential
I got 1 million MTLMC3 , bought at 10 , holding until 2000 satoshi or more, this is long term.

I am extremely bullish, and i can easily earn 10-16 BTC profits from these 3 investments

Well about DUB there is no profit right now, for cyc yes, and for mtlmc3 there is still profit,
could you suggest me something some tips when to buy and when to sell which is the best time
what should i consider before investing etc... here or in pm no problem

You should buy DUB in my opinion, it has an established market cap, and since its already on multiple exchanges it can easily reach the 1 million $ market cap.

As for MTLMC3 thats another heavenly investment in my view, i expect 15000% returns from that atleast Smiley
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