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961  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: April 04, 2019, 04:59:46 PM

Badecker: evolution is not real and it's only a scientific theory

Badecker: The bible is true because....

What method did you use to say the bible is true when you yourself admit the scientific method works?

Using the scientific method to prove the Bible works. Anti-Bible scientists that use science on the Bible, don't use science in a complete way, or they ignore some of the findings, or they quit prematurely because they find that science is proving the Bible to be reliable.

Note that there has been no proof of evolution theory evolution (ETE) ever having been found. This makes ETE to exist in theory only. In fact, the idea that ETE occurred over extended periods of time, makes it unable to ever be proven until we develop working time machines, and methods to examine the DNA of millions of past creatures from multitudes of time zones.

The significance of this is that ETE scientists will always have their foot in the door regarding ETE, but they will never get in any further. The other significant point about this is, nobody will ever be able to use past DNA examinations to prove ETE is wrong.

This means that we will have to continue with the knowledge that adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like have nothing to do with ETE... because we can't even prove that ETE exists/existed.

Further, it proves that you are not asking or commenting about evolution. How? By the fact that I have answered these things for you over and over, and you can't find any way to contradict what I say. This proves that you have other reasons for continuing to comment the way you do on the evolution subject. You are trying to harm me by attempting to get me to slip up in something that I say.

This proves that you are a person of bad faith.

Cool

''Note that there has been no proof of evolution theory evolution '' Prove it heh. Can you prove there has been no proof of evolution theory? Evolution theory exists thanks to the scientific method, saying there has been no proof of evolution is like saying there has been no proof of gravity, of course gravity doesn't knock out your imaginary god so you accept it.
962  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: April 04, 2019, 04:32:21 PM

If the sum total of adaptation lies in evolution, it isn't a fact. But since it doesn't, go and investigate it so that you can tell me if it is fact or not.

Since evolution is not a fact, but it is portrayed as fact...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

''go and investigate it so that you can tell me if it is fact or not.'' Well and how do you ''investigate'' something exactly, badecker, give me an exact method to investigate something and to claim it's 100% a fact, what's your method? What did you use to say adaption is a fact? Why do you consider it a fact?

Oh, sorry. I hadn't realized that you skipped scientific investigation class in school.

 Grin

So... the scientific method which you think doesn't demonstrate evolution is real?

Finally you are close to the truth. The scientific method doesn't prove evolution. Rather, evolution is merely a science fiction story that the scientific method is continually proving more incorrect, the longer it is investigated scientifically.

Cool

''fiction story that the scientific method is continually proving more incorrect, the longer it is investigated scientifically.'' And you got to this conclusion how exactly when virtually all scientists accept it?
963  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: April 04, 2019, 04:31:02 PM

KNOWING that things fall to the ground, doesn't have anything to do with knowing WHY they fall. They fall even if we don't know why.

In the case of gravity, if we want to know WHY gravity works, outside of being told why by someone who knows why, the scientific method might be the best way to find out why.

The WHY of it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it happens. If nobody wants to know WHY, and nobody uses any method to determine WHY, it still happens.

Cool

Right but you didn't answer the question, what system or method is better then, in your opinion to find out the truth about something specific?

Since I answered the question, but you just don't seem to understand the answer, look above for the answer.

Cool

Right but then you don't accept the scientific method for evolution and you think the bible is better, why? What method did you use to determine the bible is better than the scientific method to determine the truth?

I don't necessarily think the things that you say that I do just because you say that I do... especially since you contradict the things that you say at the same time that you say them. Rather, you suggest that you are a troll by interjecting ideas as you do.

Cool

Badecker: evolution is not real and it's only a scientific theory

Badecker: The bible is true because....

What method did you use to say the bible is true when you yourself admit the scientific method works?
964  Other / Off-topic / Re: Jesus Christ is comming back here on: April 04, 2019, 04:28:35 PM
^^^ There is a major difference between Jesus Christ and the others. The others have been dead for ages, or never existed. Jesus arose from the dead, and is powerfully alive.

Jesus exists through all time. He helped create the universe, was even the controlling factor in the creation.

You are treading on dangerous ground when you talk against Him.

Go to a cemetery and walk through it. Consider that you don't have any control, just like those poor dead jokers didn't. Be wise. Be humble, even fearful. God controls, not you or anyone else.

Cool

''Jesus arose from the dead'' How do you know that though? Which method did you use to determine that actually happened? I'm quite curious since you claim the scientific method sucks yet you seem to have some mysterious method to determine whether something happened or not without even using science.

The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.

Since you don't really even understand what the scientific method does and how it works, why would you think that I claim that it sucks? Do you mean like a vacuum cleaner? Like a sucker fish? Like the front end of a jet engine?

That's okay. I'm not really that curious.

Cool

''The Holy Spirit filled my heart with the certainty that Jesus arose from death. This means that I didn't use any method to determine it.'' And how do you know it was the holy spirit and how do you know it's true then? I can say the Holy spirit filled my heart with the certainty evolution is real.
965  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: April 03, 2019, 09:39:39 PM

If the sum total of adaptation lies in evolution, it isn't a fact. But since it doesn't, go and investigate it so that you can tell me if it is fact or not.

Since evolution is not a fact, but it is portrayed as fact...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

''go and investigate it so that you can tell me if it is fact or not.'' Well and how do you ''investigate'' something exactly, badecker, give me an exact method to investigate something and to claim it's 100% a fact, what's your method? What did you use to say adaption is a fact? Why do you consider it a fact?

Oh, sorry. I hadn't realized that you skipped scientific investigation class in school.

 Grin

So... the scientific method which you think doesn't demonstrate evolution is real?
966  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: April 03, 2019, 09:27:41 PM

KNOWING that things fall to the ground, doesn't have anything to do with knowing WHY they fall. They fall even if we don't know why.

In the case of gravity, if we want to know WHY gravity works, outside of being told why by someone who knows why, the scientific method might be the best way to find out why.

The WHY of it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it happens. If nobody wants to know WHY, and nobody uses any method to determine WHY, it still happens.

Cool

Right but you didn't answer the question, what system or method is better then, in your opinion to find out the truth about something specific?

Since I answered the question, but you just don't seem to understand the answer, look above for the answer.

Cool

Right but then you don't accept the scientific method for evolution and you think the bible is better, why? What method did you use to determine the bible is better than the scientific method to determine the truth?
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968  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: April 03, 2019, 09:04:35 PM

Just for you, I'll repeat it again. What factually exists is adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like. Evolution theory evolution has not been proven.

The funny thing is that loads of evolution thinkers who talk about evolution come right out and admit that there isn't any real evidence for evolution. Of course, they hide these kinds of statements... like at the end of their books.

This is the thing that makes evolution into the hoax that it is... not that a bunch of evolutionists are trying to find some proof of it.

Cool

No, how do you know those factually exist and you are not wrong? You think adaption is a fact, explain why.

An adaptation is a physical or behavioral characteristic that has developed to allow an organism to better survive in its environment. Adaptations are the result of evolution and may occur when a gene mutates, or changes by accident. That mutation causes the organism to better survive and reproduce, and it passes on that trait to its offspring. It can take many generations to develop an adaptation.

Note that the definition of evolution is not given in the above quote. This means that the standard definition is to be used. But the standard definition is wrong, because we have no proof of even one animal or plant ever changing into another.

Note, also, that we don't really know of any beneficial mutations. All the mutations that are clearly not beneficial are obvious. But those that look beneficial may have long-term detrimental effects. This means that we don't even know if any mutations are beneficial.

This leaves the development part of the the adaptation description. Development is something that is essentially already programmed in the DNA. Adaptation simply makes certain programming more prevalent, so that the creature involved can adapt to new surroundings or climate, etc.

Seems to me that you don't know about some of the more simple facts of life.

Cool

Right but how do you know adaption is a fact?

If the sum total of adaptation lies in evolution, it isn't a fact. But since it doesn't, go and investigate it so that you can tell me if it is fact or not.

Since evolution is not a fact, but it is portrayed as fact...

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

''go and investigate it so that you can tell me if it is fact or not.'' Well and how do you ''investigate'' something exactly, badecker, give me an exact method to investigate something and to claim it's 100% a fact, what's your method? What did you use to say adaption is a fact? Why do you consider it a fact?
969  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: April 03, 2019, 08:34:00 PM

Just for you, I'll repeat it again. What factually exists is adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like. Evolution theory evolution has not been proven.

The funny thing is that loads of evolution thinkers who talk about evolution come right out and admit that there isn't any real evidence for evolution. Of course, they hide these kinds of statements... like at the end of their books.

This is the thing that makes evolution into the hoax that it is... not that a bunch of evolutionists are trying to find some proof of it.

Cool

No, how do you know those factually exist and you are not wrong? You think adaption is a fact, explain why.

An adaptation is a physical or behavioral characteristic that has developed to allow an organism to better survive in its environment. Adaptations are the result of evolution and may occur when a gene mutates, or changes by accident. That mutation causes the organism to better survive and reproduce, and it passes on that trait to its offspring. It can take many generations to develop an adaptation.

Note that the definition of evolution is not given in the above quote. This means that the standard definition is to be used. But the standard definition is wrong, because we have no proof of even one animal or plant ever changing into another.

Note, also, that we don't really know of any beneficial mutations. All the mutations that are clearly not beneficial are obvious. But those that look beneficial may have long-term detrimental effects. This means that we don't even know if any mutations are beneficial.

This leaves the development part of the the adaptation description. Development is something that is essentially already programmed in the DNA. Adaptation simply makes certain programming more prevalent, so that the creature involved can adapt to new surroundings or climate, etc.

Seems to me that you don't know about some of the more simple facts of life.

Cool

Right but how do you know adaption is a fact?
970  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: April 03, 2019, 08:33:11 PM

What's really funny is all the people who believe science theories to be true, real, and fact. Then someone comes along, and changes the theory... and its believers are found to be just what they are... religious nuts who aren't even smart enough to realize that they have a religion in their science faith.

At least formal religious people know that they have a religion.

Cool

What's funny is that you still don't understand a scientific theory is the best thing we have to come close to the truth of something. You also believe in gravity so... You think ''eye witnesses'' that cannot be trusted are better than scientific theories.

And whats funnier is that you think you understand science theory from a load of words which is the standard explanation. Yet it is my simple explanation that describes it much more clearly. Yet you won't even accept the standard explanation. Because if you did, you would accept my explanation since they are the same.

I'm kinda glad you only believe in gravity. Such shows you aren't operating in the real world.

Eye witnesses are used everyday in court systems around the world. Now you are opposing your own government.

Cool

DNA evidence trumps eyewitness testimony.

Science works, bitch!!!

Good examination of DNA evidence might prove eye witness reports wrong. But we still haven't found any way that DNA proves or disproves gravity being real... at least without a lot of convoluted interpretation of DNA properties. Yet we have eye witness accounts of all the people that have ever lived on earth that gravity exists. Or do you have some DNA evidence that shows that gravity doesn't exist?

So, I totally agree that science works. Science theory works to substantiate science one way or another. Science theory itself isn't the point of science that is being substantiated by the theory.

Cool

Yeah but what's better than the scientific method when it comes to determining the truth? If you want to know why things fall to the ground, what's a better system than the scientific method? Certainly not eye witnesses or priests, they probably thought it was some sort of magic or just made up something to explain it, answer the question. 

KNOWING that things fall to the ground, doesn't have anything to do with knowing WHY they fall. They fall even if we don't know why.

In the case of gravity, if we want to know WHY gravity works, outside of being told why by someone who knows why, the scientific method might be the best way to find out why.

The WHY of it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that it happens. If nobody wants to know WHY, and nobody uses any method to determine WHY, it still happens.

Cool

Right but you didn't answer the question, what system or method is better then, in your opinion to find out the truth about something specific?
971  Other / Off-topic / Re: Jesus Christ is comming back here on: April 03, 2019, 04:54:39 PM
^^^ There is a major difference between Jesus Christ and the others. The others have been dead for ages, or never existed. Jesus arose from the dead, and is powerfully alive.

Jesus exists through all time. He helped create the universe, was even the controlling factor in the creation.

You are treading on dangerous ground when you talk against Him.

Go to a cemetery and walk through it. Consider that you don't have any control, just like those poor dead jokers didn't. Be wise. Be humble, even fearful. God controls, not you or anyone else.

Cool

''Jesus arose from the dead'' How do you know that though? Which method did you use to determine that actually happened? I'm quite curious since you claim the scientific method sucks yet you seem to have some mysterious method to determine whether something happened or not without even using science.
972  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: April 03, 2019, 04:52:58 PM

What's really funny is all the people who believe science theories to be true, real, and fact. Then someone comes along, and changes the theory... and its believers are found to be just what they are... religious nuts who aren't even smart enough to realize that they have a religion in their science faith.

At least formal religious people know that they have a religion.

Cool

What's funny is that you still don't understand a scientific theory is the best thing we have to come close to the truth of something. You also believe in gravity so... You think ''eye witnesses'' that cannot be trusted are better than scientific theories.

And whats funnier is that you think you understand science theory from a load of words which is the standard explanation. Yet it is my simple explanation that describes it much more clearly. Yet you won't even accept the standard explanation. Because if you did, you would accept my explanation since they are the same.

I'm kinda glad you only believe in gravity. Such shows you aren't operating in the real world.

Eye witnesses are used everyday in court systems around the world. Now you are opposing your own government.

Cool

DNA evidence trumps eyewitness testimony.

Science works, bitch!!!

Good examination of DNA evidence might prove eye witness reports wrong. But we still haven't found any way that DNA proves or disproves gravity being real... at least without a lot of convoluted interpretation of DNA properties. Yet we have eye witness accounts of all the people that have ever lived on earth that gravity exists. Or do you have some DNA evidence that shows that gravity doesn't exist?

So, I totally agree that science works. Science theory works to substantiate science one way or another. Science theory itself isn't the point of science that is being substantiated by the theory.

Cool

Yeah but what's better than the scientific method when it comes to determining the truth? If you want to know why things fall to the ground, what's a better system than the scientific method? Certainly not eye witnesses or priests, they probably thought it was some sort of magic or just made up something to explain it, answer the question. 
973  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: April 03, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
Now you are starting to sound like notbatman in his flat earth thread. Gravity is not a theory. It is a fact,
Cool

Evolution and gravity are scientific theorys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory) you are confusing it with the word hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis)

To say that evolution and gravity are theories is to say that they are not known to exist factually.

Gravity exists. People use it all the time everyday.

Evolution doesn't exist that we know of.

Cool

What does exist factually, badecker?

Just for you, I'll repeat it again. What factually exists is adaptation, simple change, and like-begets-like. Evolution theory evolution has not been proven.

The funny thing is that loads of evolution thinkers who talk about evolution come right out and admit that there isn't any real evidence for evolution. Of course, they hide these kinds of statements... like at the end of their books.

This is the thing that makes evolution into the hoax that it is... not that a bunch of evolutionists are trying to find some proof of it.

Cool

No, how do you know those factually exist and you are not wrong? You think adaption is a fact, explain why.
974  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: April 02, 2019, 09:44:38 PM
Now you are starting to sound like notbatman in his flat earth thread. Gravity is not a theory. It is a fact,
Cool

Evolution and gravity are scientific theorys (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory) you are confusing it with the word hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis)

To say that evolution and gravity are theories is to say that they are not known to exist factually.

Gravity exists. People use it all the time everyday.

Evolution doesn't exist that we know of.

Cool

What does exist factually, badecker?
975  Other / Off-topic / Re: Jesus Christ is comming back here on: April 02, 2019, 09:43:33 PM
God will comeback again but theres no exact date when he return for second time. Second coming of jesus christ for sure more people will really believe that gods exist and they believe jesus christ as their lord and our saviour to all our sins.

Can you explain to me what's the point of god ''waiting'' for some date to comeback when time is meaningless for god? It literally makes no sense, also consider god already knows who is going to be a faithful person and who isn't so the whole living on earth thing before going to heaven is pointless.

Why do you think that time is meaningless for God? Just because you can't understand the thinking of a Guy Who made a whole, gigantic, tremendous universe that includes time. You might do all kinds of stuff that you know is useless, but why do you think that God acts that way? Are you stupid enough to think that you can match thinking with Somebody Who can build a universe simply by speaking it into existence?

Actually not pointless. Why not? Because even if God knew it all already, we don't know it until we find out. God isn't simply going to dump you into Hell because He knows that you won't accept salvation. Rather, He is showing you by your life that you were the one who DECIDED against salvation. God is being quite wise in this, so that you don't have any excuse to use against God on the Judgment Day.

Cool

Why do I  ''think'' time is meaningless for god? He is eternal, therefore time is, well, meaningless, if you live forever, what is time?

Rather, He is showing you by your life that you were the one who DECIDED against salvation. And how is that going to help me or anyone?
so that you don't have any excuse to use against God on the Judgment Day. Because he is worried I'm going to use an excuse? Or is it better for people to realize they have no excuse before going to be tortured forever? WhaT?

976  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? on: April 02, 2019, 09:41:06 PM

So, it is you stupid FE Christians that are helping atheism to grow more than ever. After all, the Bible is meant for salvation... not to prove the shape of the earth.

Cool

I honestly can’t tell if these flat earth folks are religious idiots who genuinely believe their flat earth blather or atheist idiots seeking to attack Christianity via some form of misguided association fallacy.

So far I can only conclude that they are idiots.


It's funny that a religious person would call another religion person an idiot when you believe in nonsensical shit too, you know, a powerful being and magic. Flat earth can be proven wrong just as easily as the bible, we know the age of the universe, earth, we know evolution exists, basically any scientific discovery disproves the bible.

What's really funny is all the people who believe science theories to be true, real, and fact. Then someone comes along, and changes the theory... and its believers are found to be just what they are... religious nuts who aren't even smart enough to realize that they have a religion in their science faith.

At least formal religious people know that they have a religion.

Cool

What's funny is that you still don't understand a scientific theory is the best thing we have to come close to the truth of something. You also believe in gravity so... You think ''eye witnesses'' that cannot be trusted are better than scientific theories.
977  Economy / Speculation / Re: "What started it"? on: April 02, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
Isn't that always the case with big moves? All the exchanges follow each other, don't they? When something like a 10-15% move happens so fast and starts in ''X'' exchange the others simply follow it seconds or minutes after, the amount of bots that trade is huge, they are all in sync basically. At least I think that's what it is.
The price has to pretty much always remain constant across all exchanges, because arbatrageurs make it efficient like that.  Yes, bitcoin might sell at slightly different prices between exchanges, but that doesn't last for long as traders exploit the discrepancy.  Mt. Gox was a notable exception to this rule, and we all know why that was.  Stock exchanges are even more efficient than crypto ones, though there are far fewer stock ones and so that makes sense.

I think whales started it.  I don't think this was a collective action on the part of all the small players in the market, but who knows.  Ultimately I don't really care what kicked shit off--I'm just happy the breakout was upward rather than downward.

Yeah, a lot of moves happen because of that, a bit of TA and small and big players jumping into it, it doesn't need to be some conspiracy or news related, simply people following each other. Also every time bitcoin trades sideways for a long time with really low volume a big move eventually happens.
978  Economy / Speculation / Re: "What started it"? on: April 02, 2019, 04:49:57 PM
Isn't that always the case with big moves? All the exchanges follow each other, don't they? When something like a 10-15% move happens so fast and starts in ''X'' exchange the others simply follow it seconds or minutes after, the amount of bots that trade is huge, they are all in sync basically. At least I think that's what it is.
979  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC might do something nice soon. TA only ( No crystal Ball/s) on: April 02, 2019, 04:20:02 PM
Meh, Yeah, this was a huge move to the upside but remember this only happened in 2 hours, the volume is decent but not amazing, until i see some continuation the next days I will be skeptical of this move, we have seen moves like this in the past where bitcoin gains 10-15% in a few hours just to trade sideways for days/weeks and then to eventually lose it all.
980  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: April 02, 2019, 04:17:05 PM
Nah, mate, this is not trolling, I know it might look like it but they are this delusional, anything that seems super ridiculous to you, it probably seems totally normal to them, these people are literal schizos. They can literally see other things, it's like taking 1kg of LSD, they are the same.
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