![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I just feel that other crypto currencies designed off of bitcoin (like solidcoin for example) kindof devalue bitcoins themselves, I think that some people go "wtf are all these "coins" and why do they have any value to them" And generally they have value because they can be easily converted to btc Not really, because nobody gives a f*ck about them. If anything they take momentum from each other and leaves BTCitcoin as the reference cryptocurrency. Altcoins do not "devalue bitcoins" or "take momentum." Altcoins add value and momentum to Bitcoin by expanding the cryptocash ecosystem, speeding up innovation and providing additional instances of the basic schema (with tweaked parameters) for comparison. Plus providing redundancy, which is essential for critical systems. Namecoins are a special case. They complement Bitcoin and may eventually be needed to ensure network resiliency in the event of regulatory interference. Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Translated into economics, competition is a powerful measure of validation (especially for emergent disruptive technology). If "nobody gives a f*ck about" altcoins, they would not have value. But the markets say they do, and even tell us the exact exchange rates.
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I'm interested. Give me an address to send my bitcoins.
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The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.
Exactly. My favorite answer is: The same thing gold is backed by. Not exactly. Bitcoin and gold are both backed by the same thing - their unparalleled utility as a medium of exchange satisfying Aristotle's prerequisites: So you tell me "not exactly" and then you repeat my words? Huh? Yes, but no. You were half right. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) 'Not exactly' referred to your assertion that "Bitcoin doesn't have backing." Bitcoin and gold are backed by their utility as ideal media of exchange.
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What happened?
Dwolla stole TradeHill's money and tried to justify it by retroactively changing their TOS to allow chargebacks.
It's been rehashed around here several times.
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It's backed by other people with FIAT currency willing to buy.
No different then anything else in life....
I don't think that's correct. For one thing, Bitcoins are different than "anything else in life." Nothing else in life 1) solves the Byzantine Generals' Problem and 2) meets Aristotle's criteria for good money. The correct answer is: [ insert Joel Katz response here].
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This is not SCAM, becouse i talked with real people who have been through a lot of these projects (ASIC).
"Is not scam," Jr Member; good enough for me! Inb4 SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
Damn it! Getting slow these days. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FoSMqMrY.jpg&t=663&c=ETS4mFrNjSZdQA)
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Didn't I read something about a demo in December? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) If so, then they've already failed to deliver on schedule. No wonder they're getting all pissy and quarrelsome. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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Isn't bitcoin backed by speculation?
Don't reify a process into a thing. Consider the basis for the speculation.
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Bitcoin is literally backed by silver and gold. I can show you several places where you can exchange it for either.
'Backed by' is not the same thing as 'exchangeable for.' If all the PMs exchangeable for (available for purchase with) Bitcoin were taken off the market, Bitcoin would still be backed by its intrinsic value as a good Aristotelian monetary unit. Likewise, the US dollar is no longer backed by PMs, despite being constantly exchanged for them.
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The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.
Exactly. My favorite answer is: The same thing gold is backed by. Not exactly. Bitcoin and gold are both backed by the same thing - their unparalleled utility as a medium of exchange satisfying Aristotle's prerequisites: Aristotle's Qualities of a Good Money By Gold Investing 101 About 2000 years ago Aristotle defined the characteristics of a good form of money. They were as follows: 1.) It must be durable. Meaning it must stand the test of time and the elements. Money is a medium of exchange and a store of wealth so whatever form it takes, it must be able to handle the wear and tear of constant trading and transactions. 2.) It must be portable. Meaning it should be practical in the sense that it holds a high amount of 'worth' relative to it's weight and size. In other words, it's "worth" must be very dense. Imagine if money was in the form of lead bricks, these bricks would be very dense, but it would be a nightmare and near impossible to constantly exchange large amounts. And you can forget about carrying them around in your pockets. 3.) It must be divisible and consistent. Meaning it should be relatively easy to separate and distribute in smaller forms without affecting it's fundamental characteristics. This concept also works in reverse in that it should be relatively easy to re-combine several divided pieces of the money into a larger, single piece. This makes houses and paintings and cars unpractical as forms of money because taking them apart would affect their fundamental characteristics. An extension of this idea is that the item should be 'fungible'. Dictionary.com describes fungible as: "(esp. of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind." 4.) It must have intrinsic value. This characteristic carries a bit of a subjective quality in that everyone views the world through a different lens and what I view as valuable may not necessarily be valuable to my neighbor, but for the sake of argument let's just say that there is a consensus of value given to a certain material. The basic understanding behind intrinsic value is that the material carries 'worth' in and of itself. It does not derive it's value from anything else. It just sits there and is valuable. This is why paper currencies with no backing will not stand the test of time. Paper currencies only derive their "value" from what is known as legal tender laws, which are in essence a threat of legal prosecution, and or force, if they are not accepted as money for payment. This fourth point brings up the point of scarcity, which is in essence a matter of intrinsic value. Paper currencies in circulation today, such as the dollar, euro, yen, swiss francs, zimbabwe dollars, etc... they are all now purely fiat instruments. (by fiat, I mean that their use is declared by decree and usually by threat of force. Definition of fiat.) The governments that sponsor them have essentially unlimited power in their ability to create new supplies. Because of technology, it is now simply a matter of typing something into a computer and the amounts are instantly credited somewhere. So in theory the supply of dollars for instance is infinite, and it seems like lately the wizards in Washington are trying to see whether this theoretical limit can be reached. Take Zimbabwe as a practical real world example. It now takes trillions of Zimbabwe dollars to buy a roll of toilet paper. http://www.gold-speculator.com/gold-investing-101/4476-aristotles-qualities-good-money.html
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As the prosecutor emphasized to the judge, the burden in this trial is on Caswell to prove he’s an innocent owner. Such are the new Intolerable Acts, which are forming the basis for justifying a second American Revolution. The King's Men will respect our Liberty, or die for their transgressions.
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Is it just spot with free shipping, or spot plus shipping?
Put me down for 8 1/2s if shipping is free.
Thanks!
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Correct , she is a mexican who lives in the U.S which means you can't do anything or your are racists prick ...sort of like how Obama got elected nobody could do any vetting w/o being called racist ..
Let's not forget the misguided practice of using her gender as a replacement for actual qualifications also played an equal role in inflicting her idiocy upon the world in general, and Aaron Swartz in particular. Notice she never had a real job in the private sector, where merit is ruthlessly assessed in every court decision. Instead Ms. Ortiz could only fake success, using the unlimited power of the US police state to bankrupt, bully, and otherwise coerce her victims until victorious.
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been trying to get funds into gox since last week. Finally put in a support ticket and today they said they had to talk with their dev team as to why it took so long. Still waiting for the funds but at least they said it was in the que.
bullocks.
Forget Gox. Try BTC-E, BitStamp, or BitFloor instead. You get better prices and better service. ClarkMoody is really hopping tonight! And MtGoxLive works fine in Opera, while making Firefox run like a cow. I'm making popcorn with truffle salt, opening a bottle of wine, and watching the action. Hoard ALL the Bitcoins!! Death to the defenders of $15!!
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bitinstant out of reserves for btc-e
Consequences will never be the same! ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) But what exactly happens because of this? Does their volume merely move to other exchanges?
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I have a couple other questions/thoughts about NMC/MM. Is there a more appropriate thread, already started, to post those?
[announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6017.0
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Even if it was 0.01%, I'd still prefer to support the oldest (and only Satoshi endorsed) altcoin.
Why? By most accounts that I have heard it is a dead project. Initially I thought NMC's were going to be used for something cool like to "buy" DNS entries but then found that they are just a useless by product. So I just don't understand the craze. Seems to me it wasn't thought out very well. I do agree that a distributed DNS system would be good and even necessary in the near future. Dead? Maybe, but it hasn't stopped moving yet! 11 of the pools on Corti's list offer merged mining. And there are two requests to note this feature in the OP. Why? Because some day Bitcoin might need NameCoin to survive. IOW, "a distributed DNS system would be good and even necessary in the near future." And yes, Dotbit squatting was fun too! "Wasn't thought out very well?" Do not question Satoshi when he seeks to generalize Bitcoin! The market says mining Namecoins has value equivalent to ~3% of mining Bitcoin. That covers stales and lessens pool fees. Sounds like a great idea to me!
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I think re-calculations are in order. Is it really 3%?
~3% was the average for last week. It's now fallen to 2.7% according to allchains. 1GH currently gives you $2.20 in BTC and $0.06 in NMC per day. Even if it was 0.01%, I'd still prefer to support the oldest (and only Satoshi endorsed) altcoin. Hopefully it will be used in the future for resolving human readable bitcoin address and .onion pages, p2p stock trading, etc. Corti, here are the pools on your list supporting merged mining: - BitMinter (GBT/Stratum)
- Eclipse (GBT/Stratum)
- Eligius (GBT)
- BTC Guild (PPS LP only)
- OzCoin (DGM LP only)
- MaxBTC (DGM LP only)
- Bitparking (LP only)
- Slush (LP only)
- Ecki.net (LP only)
- BitClockers (LP only)
- p2Pool (LP only)
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