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1  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Earn 0BTC for getting shops/organisations to accept Bitcoin! on: March 18, 2024, 07:21:35 AM
You can see what you described at https://map.bitcoin.com/, although many places are using Bitcoin Cash over Bitcoin at this point due to the poor user experience on BTC.

I wrote a whole book on what happened too: https://www.amazon.com/Hijacking-Bitcoin-Hidden-History-BTC/dp/B0CXWBCWDR/ref=zg_bs_g_10806607011_d_sccl_1/133-2063248-2793037?psc=1
2  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: [~1 BTC Bounty] on: October 17, 2019, 07:34:41 PM
I've asked our pool team to look into this to see if it is possible.
pool.bitcoin.com

Good luck!
3  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 19, 2019, 09:37:41 AM

I think the issue is that new members unaware were duped into buying bch believing it was BITCOIN as the majority see it ( even if they are wrong) which has financial consequences.
This argument goes both ways.  What about the people who buy BTC thinking that it is the Bitcoin that was described in the white paper and became popular to begin with?  In my opinion they are clearly being duped, and I've put for strong factual arguments that that is the case, while the BTC camp has mainly resorted to censorship and name calling to support their case that BTC is Bitcoin.

It is sad that the project the majority consider bitcoin lost one it's more vocal and famous supporters. One could wonder where  a single project called bitcoin could have been if all the fragmentation of the original supporting group had not taken place.
Agreed!  That would have been the case if Segwit 2X or any of the other block size increases hadn't been blocked by censorship and social media attacks.



Surely though you must still consider btc > fiat

Even if you consider bch > btc?
Of course!

Perhaps there is room for both projects anyway. I certainly don't think that either side should be sniping at the other. Fighting against each other is not the way.
Agreed again!
Let's grow the size of the crypto pie, not fight over the percentage of the current sized crypto pie.
Unfortunately drastically changing the roadmap of BTC and limiting the block size set back all of crypto currency adoption by nearly half a decade![/quote]

Sort of like "hey we are bitcoin original, since we feel it essential to hold closer to the original design of satoshi for these reasons..", or "Hey we are BTC we feel we can improve the design in a few ways".
Sounds accurate, and a good plan to me, but it also seems clear which one of those two coins have a stronger claim to the word Bitcoin in the name.

We support bitcoin and hold BTC and some BCH.  We also hold a few other projects that seem to have great developers and very interesting potential.
As do I.  Any smart businessman would.

It is perhaps not a case " of there can be only one".

Bitcoin cash does not seem to get your message across as much as if you had called it bitcoin classic or bitcoin original... or something like that to demonstrate what distinguishes it from btc and why it is essential people read and understand this before they decide if they want to go for one or the other or get a bit of both of them.
If the name had ended up being Bitcoin Original, I think the pro BTC camp would complain even more than they do about the name Bitcoin Cash,  and they would complain an equal amount if it was called Bitcoin Classic.   I think the real reason they complain so loudly about Bitcoin Cash is that they know it has a real chance of surpassing BTC's market share, and merchant adoption.  There are already more physical shops around the world accepting BCH than BTC.  They fight against it because they fear it will hurt their investment in BTC.

Anyway hope you get fair treatment from members that have any business being in positions of trust here.

A sensible and accurate message if they feel you must have red trust not screaming scammer. What can you expect from these morons (real scammers) that have taken over the systems of control of this board.
Thanks for such a level headed post! We need more of those on the internet, and less name calling.
4  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 19, 2019, 09:20:24 AM
As you are well aware of, there a plenty of double-spends happening on the BCH chain: https://doublespend.cash
That is an often repeated lie.  Take a look at the site.  There are basically ZERO successful double spends taking place.

I really don't understand why you are so against having multiple layers.
This is another often repeated lie.  I have ZERO problem with multiple layers.  In fact, I think it is a good idea.
I just happen to think that it was an incredibly stupid and reckless idea to strangle the base layer before any of those second layer solutions are ready.
That's why BTC has such low market share today, and going lower.

Bitcoin itself cannot scale to have every single financial transaction in the world be broadcast to everyone and included in the block chain. There needs to be a secondary level of payment systems which is lighter weight and more efficient. Likewise, the time needed for Bitcoin transactions to finalize will be impractical for medium to large value purchases.
I have zero problem with this.  Just don't strangle the base layer before the secondary layers are ready.

I know that block size is a delicate subject for BCH users but you are making serious trade-offs by increasing it. Everybody should be able to run their own node. Not just 'to help the network' but to be able to verify your own transactions (instead of depending on a third party explorer), increase your personal privacy and giving you a choice when it comes to development updates.  You continuously mention how much you value economic freedom and yet you are completely missing the bigger picture by merely focussing on fast and cheap payments. There are dozen of altcoins that are faster and cheaper than Bitcoin (and BCH) yet they are hardly being used. They are (including BCH) all lacking the components that truly matter.


This is absolutely an argument worth having!  The big blockers were objectively winning that argument in terms of online debate, and hash rate on the network when Theymos decided to censor all discussion of it.  If the small blocker arguments are correct, Theymos resorting to censorship has severely undermined them.

https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43
https://news.bitcoin.com/former-mod-explains-r-bitcoin-censorship-and-why-he-was-removed/
5  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 19, 2019, 09:11:53 AM
I have a question for MemoryDealers.

What's the deal with the @bitcoin twitter account? Why did it recently go from supporting BCH to supporting BTC?
The original owner had been involved in Bitcoin since 2009, and agrees that Bitcoin Cash is the version of Bitcoin he got involved in.
Unfortunately he needed money for other things, and the new owner of the ID clearly has a different opinion.

Something is off. He didn't sell it to you, strangely.

That's strange. Way too strange. Knowing you, I am pretty sure you are lying again.

If the original pro-bcash owner needed money... he should have come to you first. You would pay the most buck for that account. But for some strange reason, he sold it to a pro-bitcoin guy. Nope. It didn't happen like that. Doesn't make sense.

That is exactly what happened.  He did offer it to me. I thought, and still think the price was too high, so he sold it to someone else who lied to him about his views on myself and Bitcoin Cash.
6  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 18, 2019, 06:36:37 AM
I have a question for MemoryDealers.

What's the deal with the @bitcoin twitter account? Why did it recently go from supporting BCH to supporting BTC?
The original owner had been involved in Bitcoin since 2009, and agrees that Bitcoin Cash is the version of Bitcoin he got involved in.
Unfortunately he needed money for other things, and the new owner of the ID clearly has a different opinion.
7  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 18, 2019, 06:32:04 AM
Going forward it is important to recognize that the majority consider btc to be bitcoin.
Historically the majority have believed all sorts of stupid and wrong things.  The majority previously thought the sun goes around the earth, and they literally forbade Galileo from pointing out the truth.  This sounds a lot like the censored Bitcoin forums today.


I think bitcoin.com can be used to promote bch, but it should make clear the majority of people consider BTC to be BITCOIN and both are clearly mentioned.
I don't think anyone is confused by this point.  We have entire articles on the site explaining exactly what the history is, and where we are today on this topic.


We don't know if bch or btc holds more closely to satoshis principles.
But we do know:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vufeM92bfJw

If objectively from a more trained and capable point of view roger is correct then we understand your frustration.
Just imagine how frustrated Galileo must have felt.
8  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 18, 2019, 06:12:22 AM
I somehow don't believe his story of going to jail for 10 months for selling firecrackers on ebay.  I think there is something to the story he is leaving out.
Here's a transcript of the sentencing hearing, detailing exactly why he was sentenced to 10 months in jail, including the parts of the story he may have left out. Spoiler alert: pipe bombs aren't firecrackers.
Good job believing and spreading the government's character assassination tactics.  If there had been pipe bombs, they surely would have charged me with it.
9  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 18, 2019, 06:06:03 AM

No.  I bought the domain name fair and square and will use it to promote "A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", BTC isn't that.

There is nothing fair and square about this.

You bought the domain through an opportunity and instead of selling the domain back at a higher price - which most 2nd grade domain resellers like yourself do -

I've never sold a single domain name in my life.  I've only purchased them, and then used them.

you cashed in big time by creating your own shitcoin.
That shows just how little you know about the situation.  I didn't create Bitcoin Cash.  In fact,  I didn't start promoting it until many months later, after a bunch of economic illiterates managed block segwit 2X.  I openly stated that if Segwit 2x was blocked,  I would devote all of my time and resources to promoting Bitcoin Cash.
Now the BTC maxis are just jealous because BTC lost one of its very first and best proponents when I started working on Bitcoin Cash.

Okay, maybe there is nothing "wrong" in what you decide to do with your property. But you are never going to not be a thieving immoral opportunistic scumbag.

And all those folks that you dupe into buying your shitcoin instead of BTC itself, they will come back to dump your shitcoin by the masses and with it, your ass as well.
  I'm sorry you have been tricked into thinking that BTC is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system".
Please consider reading the white paper again and ask yourself what it is describing.
I'm still supporting the very same coin I got involved with in 2011.  The BTC camp are working on something else.  They have managed to keep the Bitcoin name as used in popular culture,  but it doesn't have the same characteristics as the Bitcoin I started working on in 2011.  That Bitcoin is now called Bitcoin Cash.
10  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 18, 2019, 05:58:22 AM
If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed.  

Serious question: Have you ever read "A Cypherpunk's Manifesto? Please read it, it will only take you a few minutes. It explains perfectly what is meant by 'electronic cash'. It has nothing to do with (unsafe) 0-confirmation transactions or low transaction fees.

Quoting myself, would love to hear Roger answer.

I originally read it in the late 90's, and read it again just now.
It has everything to do with safe 0-conf transactions and things like the Silk Road.
The very things I've been very supportive from day one.  I even helped fund and implement the very first wide spread privacy tool for BTC (Cash Shuffle inside the blockchain.info wallet that was eventually destroyed by the full blocks), and that's why I'm now busy funding and implementing things like cashshuffle.com for BCH today.
11  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 17, 2019, 10:16:13 AM
Please do the right thing and change the name of your coin.
Look in the mirror.  BTC isn't Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system.
The Bitcoin white paper doesn't specify a ticker symbol.
BTC has no white paper.
12  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 17, 2019, 09:49:01 AM
If it isn't A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System it isn't Bitcoin. - Roger Ver
What's your point? May be you can define cash and currency.

My point is that BTC is no longer Bitcoin.

Will you change the domain name and the Bitcoin branding too?

No.  I bought the domain name fair and square and will use it to promote "A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System", BTC isn't that.
13  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 17, 2019, 09:40:42 AM
If you had continued to discuss and listen, you might have found a way to deliver a product the world needed instead of attempting to usurp a title.

The Bitcoin Cash community still allows free speech and open discussion.
The BTC community is still heavily censored: https://medium.com/@johnblocke/a-brief-and-incomplete-history-of-censorship-in-r-bitcoin-c85a290fe43
14  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 17, 2019, 09:34:34 AM
“Bitcoin is the chain originating from the genesis block with the highest accumulated proof of work. The Bitcoin Cash fork failed to gain majority, thus it is not Bitcoin.” - Erik Voorhees

If it isn't A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System it isn't Bitcoin. - Roger Ver
15  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 17, 2019, 09:28:03 AM
Right, but doing this was totally not scammy at all:

I didn't do that, and the instant I was made aware of it, I had it corrected.
16  Economy / Reputation / Re: Roger Ver why is he red trusted? on: September 16, 2019, 08:47:49 AM
If someone buys BTC thinking it is "Bitcoin, a peer to peer electronic cash system" they are being scammed. 
17  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Roger Ver's Bitcoin Games - possible scam on: August 08, 2019, 03:46:17 AM
There was no scam with games.bitcoin.com
Some withdrawals get flagged for manual review.
That is all.

In regards to Bitcoin Cash, it clearly has more Bitcoin-ness about it than the BTC version of Bitcoin does.
I made a whole video detailing it as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vufeM92bfJw

And don't forget that the entire BTC project was highjacked by Blockstream and their devs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYztS8HuunU
18  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: World's First Bitcoin Lawsuit - Cartmell v. Bitcoinica on: November 30, 2018, 06:30:34 AM
Are Bitcoinica's coins still tied up in the Mt Gox fiasco?


Yes.   Angry
19  Economy / Gambling / Re: Bruno vs Roger Ver (1st Bitcoin Match) on: August 10, 2018, 07:28:58 AM
I do know Jujitsu.  I'm a Brazilian Jujitsu brown belt with more than a decade of experience.
I also have several years of wrestling experience as well.
20  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitPico throwing down against Roger Ver on: June 29, 2018, 08:35:33 AM
Here is why I think BCH is Bitcoin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vufeM92bfJw

I gave clear and consise reasons why I think that is the case.  Feel free to refute them with logic and evidence.
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