I don’t think banks are the ones against Bitcoin. It should be the government that is against Bitcoin because they don’t have control over it. The banks actually report to the government and because Bitcoin isn’t doing the same, they don’t like it. Because starting from tax and other things they’d have implemented or rule they’d have set, they can’t. Bitcoin takes out the middle man and the government can’t do nothing about it, no matter much they dislike it.
Banks are against cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin adoption because if everybody switches to Bitcoin will the banks exist? Can you tell me that since the invention of Bitcoin that ain't there people who are no longer interested in keeping their money with the banks but rather prefer to use the money to buy Bitcoin and hold it instead of saving it with the bank. Banks will continue to exist because let's be honest, we'll never have a fiat-free society. What we need to aim for is having bitcoin as a reliable alternative to fiat currencies and banks. Starting these wars banks against cryptocurrencies for me is pointless because they can perfectly coexist and people will have the choice to use one service or the other. |
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Io devo riuscire a trovare il tempo, al momento sono in viaggio e quindi non ho la possibilità di mettermi a cucinare, è un periodo molto incasinato.
Dai su, quella che hai fatto lo scorso anno era veramente molto bella devo dire, complimenti a te e complimenti per la pazienza. Quanto tempo ci hai messo poi alla fine a realizzarla? In ogni caso dato che si tratta di un contest di bellezza e non di gusto, si possono mettere ingrendienti improbabili anche a solo scopo di bellezza. Mi ci è voluto un po' perché la prima volta avevo tagliato male i peperoni e non mi piaceva l'effetto: il taglio era troppo spesso e quindi c'era meno spazio disponibile, il che voleva dire un livello di dettaglio minore, pensatelo un po' come se fossero i pixel di uno schermo, più piccoli sono e maggiore è il dettaglio, li era lo stesso ma per la definizione della pizza  E dato che non ero soddisfatto ricordo ancora che sono andato alle 10-11 di sera al supermercato a comprare altri peperoni gialli e verdi per tagliarli meglio dato che non ne avevo più  Direi che tra tutto quanto ci avrò messo un'ora e mezza considerando anche il viaggio al supermercato. |
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Se dio vuole non ho bisogno di scegliere solo l'uno o l'altro, ma se dovessi scegliere, sceglierei ciò che mi appaga di più.
Il tuo ragionamento non funziona del tutto però, provo a spiegarmi: si fa il paragone tra "se potessi fare solo questo o quello", ma non è così che funziona nella realtà. Funziona così per chi ha disponibilità da impiegato medio, ossia disponibilità limitata: si deve fare i conti con rinunce. Se si ha la possibilità di vivere a un livello di spesa superiore, si aprono molte possibilità e alla fine esistono vari livelli di appagamento, ma non esistono vere e proprie rinunce.
Tento un esempio tirato per i capelli.
Se posso permettermi un orologio da € 18.000, al 99% non avrò rinunciato a un viaggio, sarà tutto parte del mio gestire il quotidiano, le voglie e i progetti di vita.
Se devo scegliere tra un iPhone da € 1.200 o una vacanza, ecco, lì avrò uno che prende il telefono e uno che va in ferie, ma appunto perchè siamo a possibilità economiche inferiori e servono rinunce. L'orologio in quel caso non è neppure un concetto conosciuto, ma tende purtroppo a generare invidia e l'invidia proveniente spesso da ignoranza in materia o chiusura mentale genera rabbia... ed è pericolosa.
Beh ma allora dobbiamo fare una premessa: stiamo facendo un discorso generale da persone normali oppure stiamo parlando come se avessimo fondi illimitati? E poi metterei dentro un altro fattore: che tipo di vita vogliamo fare? Nel senso, io da qualche anno mi sono appassionato al movimento FIRE, quindi al momento limito certi tipi di spese che ritengo veramente superflue a favore di 1) investimenti 2) esperienze di vita, come appunto i viaggi, quindi dato che spero di smettere di lavorare il prima possibile spendere 3.400 per una borsa che non apporta nessun tipo di miglioria alla mia vita, è semplicemente un'opzione che viene scartata a propri. E alla fine dei conti è anche la ragione per la quale in futuro lascerò la California: costi della vita troppo alti per qualcuno che non vuole lavorare. Chi invece rimane avrà pure la sua bella casa da 4-5 mln di dollari, avrà l'auto da 200k dollari e il vestito firmato ma al tempo stesso è schiavo del suo lavoro perché per mantenere quello stile di vita deve per forza di cose continuare a lavorare. E non sto dicendo che stia sbagliando, semplicemente abbiamo obiettivi diversi nella vita. Io preferisco andare in pensione a 40 anni in Italia, comprare la mia casetta e campare grazie agli investimenti e viaggiare per il mondo piuttosto che avere la super casa sulle colline di Beverly Hills e pagare decine di migliaia di dollari di tasse di proprietà fino alla morte. Secondo me alla fine la domanda da porsi è quella che facevo a inizio post: che tipo di vita vogliamo vivere? Quali sono le priorità? Una volta che abbiamo la risposta tutto il resto viene adattato e modellato attorno a quel pilastro. |
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Today, let's talk about the psychology of owning BTC. After BTC was born in 2008, a group of people owned a small amount of digital gold. Of course, I later joined the BTC army as well.
At that time, I didn't feel the magic of BTC; I just knew that it was something relatively magical and a completely new thing.
Back then, nobody was familiar with BTC. Even though I owned some, I was just observing and trying to understand its mysteries.
I can’t decide whether to be amused or concerned that you have put your money into something you weren’t sure of. Just be grateful that it was bitcoin otherwise you would have seen yourself broke. I guess he probably invested the money he could afford to lose, nobody in their right mind would put all their savings into some kind of new and unknown technology or project, it doesn't matter whether we're talking about bitcoin, Apple, Amazon or whatever. And sometimes you need to take risks in your life. It's true, you could lose your investment, but that's how it works, it's not supposed to be easy, it's not supposed to be for everyone. You can have the best idea in the world but you can never be 100% sure it's going to work because maybe people are simply not interested. We are here today, writing on this forum, because we all chose to take a risk. |
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Some people wanted to invest in Bitcoin but took the advice of some one that have not invested into Bitcoin and the person convinced them not to invest. Unfortunately many people have low levels of self confidence and they simply follow what the majority of people do. If everybody does something, there is a high chance we are tempted do to the same because we think that if so many people are doing that thing, they must be right, they cannot be all wrong, can they? Actually, yes, they can. When I decided to invest in bitcoin I just did it because I felt it was one of things that could either go very well or very bad, but either way I didn't want to miss the chance to try. |
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ma non era lo 0,2%? Adesso l'hanno pure raddoppiata? Non che prima la ritenessi giustificabile: sempre di esproprio si tratta
Penso che si siano confusi, è 0,2%, non 0,4%. Non ho mai letto nessuna notizia in merito ad un raddoppio della tassa di proprietà. Tra l'altro l'hanno introdotta da poco, non avrebbe senso raddoppiarla nel giro di pochi mesi. Ho acquistato pochi mesi fa una borsa Gucci per mia moglie, € 3.400, mi piacerebbe che qualcuno mi dicesse per quale motivo sensato e argomentato è stata una scelta idiota, premesso che non siamo persone alle quali interessa apparire, semplicemente se un oggetto o un servizio ci piace e il suo prezzo è corretto per il suo mercato, lo valutiamo. Ti rispondo citando Warren Buffett: "Price is what you pay, value is what you get". Se per voi quella borsa vale effettivamente 3.400 euro allora godetevi la borsa senza pensare al costo. Per me ci sono articoli che hanno un prezzo difficile da giustificare, e una borsa da 3.400 euro, ripeto, per me, è semplicemente ingiustificabile perché quello che stai pagando è il nome, non i materiali o la lavorazione. Poi io penso spesso sul lungo periodo: quella borsa verrà ancora usata tra 5-6 anni? Oppure una volta passata la moda verrà gettata nell'armadio insieme ad altre decine di borse? Ora faccio un esempio molto diverso ma con il prezzo di quelle due borse, anzi in realtà pure meno, ho fatto un viaggio in Giappone per 1 mese intero con mia moglie. È un esempio molto forzato ma è solamente per far vedere le cose da una prospettiva diversa, come se davanti a te avessi due premi diversi e dovessi sceglierne uno, cosa faresti? Un mese di vacanza o due borse? |
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Since bitcoin promotes mostly anti-government, banks, etc.
I am wondering; Do you trust bitcoin holders?
What do you mean by "trust"? That could mean many things, too many. Trust them like they are good persons? Trust them like I would invite them to my home even without knowing them? Not every single bitcoiner thinks and acts the same way: some of them are more radical and others aren't; some of them think bitcoin should be the only payment method and others are ok with fiat as well. Your question is just too broad. Well, just because bitcoin is anti-government, its holders as well are certainly against the government? You are wrong with that. People can be trusted not because of its beliefs and perspectives, but because of its thoughts and actions, and its decision making that reflects if he can be trusted or not. And I think siding bitcoin is never wrong and is not considered against the government activity. You can be a government servant but silently investing in bitcoin, just like those big names in the government as they might be engaging in bitcoin privately. I wouldn't even say that bitcoin is anti-government, if we talk about bitcoin in these terms it almost looks like it's something illegal or that is going to bring to some kind of revolution against the authorities. Bitcoin is simply total freedom, and you just need to trust math, not even people, who could be corrupted. Government can easily work together with bitcoin, just look at El Salvador. |
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Let's all pretend to be a developer for today, and I have a question for you all.
If you are to add 1 thing to Bitcoin what will it be? And also if you are to remove just one thing from Bitcoin what will it be? I would add some kind of 2FA or something like that, which is needed to confirm the transactions so, even if someone somehow gets access to your wallet, he can't move the funds. Many people are scared to be their own bank not just because of the responsibility but also because transactions are irreversible so if you make a single mistake you can actually lose everything. So in a certain way I would say that the total transactions' irreversibility for me is partially a problem. I understand the logic behind it but I would love to improve somehow its security. |
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Pardon me if I am digressing, I am still in the learning process.
I have been reading about Bitcoin since i joined this forum. I learnt that decentralization is a unique attribute of Bitcoin. And this attribute permits bitcoin users to have total control over their money and be their own banks.
From my research recently, I have come to realize that a lot of bitcoin users are still stuck with the traditional idea of saving money with a central authority. Importing this idea to a decentralized Bitcoin, has led to the invention of bitcoin banks, exchanges and custodial wallets. Now, as the day passes, more bitcoiners are becoming centralized. Is there a club or group of only people who uses bitcoin the Satoshi way, I will like to belong here.
I do not want to use bitcoin the centralized way, I want to have total control of my coins and be my own bank. Is this difficult to achieve? Are there prices I have to pay or is everyone eventually moving to the centralized way? The centralized exchanges are just one way to get bitcoins but that doesn't mean that you need to keep them there, actually nobody will ever suggest you to keep your bitcoins on exchanges. For many people CEXs are the easiest and safest way to buy bitcoins, that's it. If you prefer to buy bitcoin on DEXs or by someone on the street, you are free to do that. Simply not everyone is willing to go for the most complicate route. You talk about being your own bank: as soon as you move your bitcoins from a CEX to your wallet you're good, at that moment you are your own bank. |
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If you ask me, what is the hardest job? Then perhaps my answer will be the investment profession. It is a truly unique and harsh profession compared to other professions. Especially with Bitcoin and a volatile market like cryptocurrency.
You will see that every area of life (sports, education, business, music, academics...) is a competition for rankings. But investing is completely different, it's not about how much money you make compared to those around you, it's a very unique profession, when what you fight for and win is not with others who join the market that is yourself. Win over yourself.
The challenge for Bitccion investors is not to try to find the best information the market has to offer, but to prevent themselves from being their own worst enemy - to prevent themselves from “restless”- buy and sell continuously
Restless busy has probably become an ingrained instinct in everyone's mind. A normal working person is too used to working 8 hours a day, their mind will always urge them to work. When you wake up and go to the company, you have to work. If you don't work with your hands, you work with your mind. You're always in a state of thinking or acting and you have to do this or that to make money. This makes them think that when they join the market, they You also have to work hard and hard to make money from the market.
As I said, investing is a profession that is extremely different from other professions, especially with Bitcoin and the cryptocurrency market. The way legends make money is not mainly from buying and reselling transactions, but from "waiting".
Restless and waiting are two opposite things, and are also what help us distinguish between a true Bitcoin investor and a gambler. Being an investor, or trying to make a living out of it, for me is kind of being an entrepreneur: you are betting on yourself, on your abilities, on being better than others who failed while trying to do the same thing. It's something different from owning a sandwich store but the point is that it's all on you, if you make mistakes nobody is going to help you. The risk is that it could also be difficult to actually separate your personal life and work because crypto markets are open 24/7, so you may end up checking what's going on all the time. |
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I've beard about this, and honestly I am on SEC's side, the fact of the matter is that these celebrities advertise cryptocurrencies which are downright scams, ever remember Logan Paul's Crypto Zoo scam? The progression of events had it not been for the intervention of SEC this time, is eerily similar to these.
As SickDayIn has said this is a step in the right direction when it comes to holding these celebrities accountable for shilling scam projects, many a times in the past, these guys get away with the money they bagged from the sponsorship unscathed because they are picked out by the justice system, either because it don't deem them liable of anything given the fact that they do this for a service, or because they are powerful enough to withhold justice.
Couldn't bare to see these people using their influences and power to scam people anymore, and then go out on TV to blame poor people on why they are poor. We need more of this SEC honestly, and none of the bullshit you guys have been spewing out lately.
I'm on SEC's side as well about this. But what I'm more worried about are the people who are buying some shitcoin just because someone like Kim Kardashian told them to. I just don't understand, if you are looking for an advice about investing your money, why would you even consider Kim Kardashian as an option? What type of financial knowledge is she supposed to have? Just because she's famous? And let's not forget that at the end of the day she's famous for being famous, that's it. She is the perfect example of how our society is falling apart. |
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That's what I don't get with other people that are quitting or selling mid way in bitcoin, they think that bitcoin is still like that back in 2010s, it will still be a test of patience but the problem is that it's not just 3 or 5 years now, it will be around 10 years plus now because of how many people are invested into bitcoin compared to back then and the price is too damn high for a really fast price rise to ever happen. That's why I've made a vow to myself that I'm going to hodl for a really long time and if I ever reach that time, whatever the price may be, I'm going to be selling it and I can guarantee for a fact that bitcoin's going to be giving me huge profits even if it's not at the peak during that point in time.
Well, I also regret selling the bitcoins I had when I first got to know and collect bitcoins. However, that is part of the journey. When the price of bitcoin is still below $1000, it is very natural for people to be surprised to see the price of bitcoin higher than that, and rush to take profits. It's just that almost everyone regrets selling the bitcoins they own because of this. however, this is a lesson for all of us, that the price of bitcoin is really getting higher, and making the impossible possible. For people who still own and are still collecting bitcoins, it would be best to really focus on holding them at this time. At the end it's all about perspective: if you bought bitcoin when it was worth $1 I think it's pretty normal and logic to sell once it reaches $100 or $1,000, you are getting a huge return compared to your initial budget. And maybe you even needed that money so I see nothing wrong with it. Of course 10 years later everybody says "oh, why did you sell?" but where were those people at the time? Why didn't they buy then? |
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At that time, one day my another friend curlos was in a good mood and told me that he got a very big customer job. I told him have you any Bitcoin wallet? I told him about Bitcoin Wallet because I knew many buyers now feel comfortable paying in Bitcoin and curlos was a freelancer. He immediately became very angry with me and abused me. Because he had absolutely no confidence in Bitcoin as a cryptocurrency. For this reason of Bitcoin word he broke our relationship and he didn't talk to me for a long day. After this incident, even if I met him in the campus, he avoided me and did not talk to me. After 1 months of this incident, curlos came to my house one night and hugged me with a crying voice and sincerely apologized to me. I could not contain my emotions, the moment of the return of one of my close friends after so long was very happy. My eyes were teary with joy. It is not possible to explain the scene of that moment in words.
However, curlos later regretted his disinterest in Bitcoin and misbehavior with me. Even his interest in Bitcoin increased and I helped him in creating a wallet.My friend is now very confident and I am very proud of him that he got the wrong idea about Bitcoin. I'm so glad that I helped him. Currently he is a bitcoin holder.
I mean, I don't know how to ask in a kind way, but is your friend... Normal? If the events are actually how you told us, your friend looks like kind of crazy, his reaction was totally illogic, why would you get mad at someone who is saying something, especially if it's a friend of yours? I'm glad that at the end you clarified but I also hope for you that he gave you some kind of explanation besides apologizing because what happened is very weird. |
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It just get to know that some shops now accept BTC as exchange, that is very good Bitcoin is making progress, after some years now Bitcoin will shock the world, with the way things are going now.
Many stores have been accepting bitcoin payments from customers for years, it's not a news. Of course we're talking about a relatively small number but it's part of the process. It would be interesting to know how many stores convert BTC immediately in some stablecoin/fiat and how many decide to keep it as BTC, I'm mainly thinking about the tax implications of this operation, would it be easy to keep track of these transactions or is it going to be confusing? |
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chissa come mai postano le pizze crude, non capisco
forse perche cambia colore e poi vengono brutte? non comprendo il motivo di mettere una pizza cruda
comprendo la forma diversa, della famosa "non pizza" ma non capisco il motivo della non cottura
qualcosa mi sfugge
Non lo capisco neanch'io. Perché per quanto una cultura possa essere diversa dubito che ci sia qualcuno che si metta a mangiare una massa cruda, non ha alcun senso e può perfino essere pericoloso. Cari ciccini, ma non vedo nomi italiani, non partecipa nessuno dei nostri? Non vorrete far vincere qualche barbaro che mette cose oscene sulla pizza! Io devo riuscire a trovare il tempo, al momento sono in viaggio e quindi non ho la possibilità di mettermi a cucinare, è un periodo molto incasinato. Ma infondo credo che sia solo per la foto e per il contest, tra quelle che ho visto davvero ce ne sono di certe che sono oscene a dir poco, poi bisogna vedere anche il giudice del contest quanto è pignolo perche se lui non è nenache italiano è facile che poi vinca la pasta sfoglia con l'uovo spalmato sopra (alcune di quelle che ho visto erano cosi ahaha) forse, forse ci sono alcuni concorrenti che non hanno nemmeno un forno dove cuocerla la pizza :/
Premesso che icopress, che è ucraino, sa molto bene cosa sia una pizza ( questa è la sua), la votazione sarà fatta dagli utenti, non da lui. Quello che può fare è non accettare la creazione di qualche utente che non presenta le caratteristiche tipiche di una pizza, quindi semplicemente non si potrà votare per quell'utente. |
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No my parents don’t really like bitcoin. They are mostly into the classic stuff like real estate and stocks. I can’t blame them though because they are doing pretty good with those assets. They don’t need to invest in crypto because they can already make money without taking too much risk. Living long enough has benefits like that because time in the markets always beats timing the markets. Ask Warren if you don’t believe me. He made majority of his wealth after he became an elder. He was kind if rich when he was young but as he got older, he became filthy rich.
If your parents are already investing in the stock market then kudos to them, I don't really know anyone whose parents invest in the stock market. In their case I can understand why they are reluctant to invest in bitcoin, they are already getting good results, why should they take bigger risks? If it ain't broken, don't fix it, this is their case. |
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(6) HOW DOES CRYPTOCURRENCY AFFECT THE BANKS? In my own opinion, cryptocurrency have had a profound impact on traditional banking. By challenging the status quo and disrupting long-est abolish systems, their decentralized nature, cost advantages, and increased accessibility have implications for both individuals and financial institutions.
Ask yourself as a business man will you happy when new competition comes up? Banks will traditionally be against anything that has the potential to affect their business. Traditional banks have been against even fintechs because they reduced their customer base, cryptocurrency has the ability to also affect the customer base of these banks that is why they are against it. It's always been like that, and I'm not saying that to defend the banks (I would never do that) but of course people and/or businesses don't like being replaced. At the same time the good news is that is not possible to stop the future so the banks have two ways: adapt and evolve embracing the cryptos, and making money out of it, or keep fighting a war they can't win. We'll see who is smart and who is not. |
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Anyway, Bitcoin is way more common in millenials and Gen z.
I guess it makes sense: Millennials and Gen Z are in slightly different phases or their lives but they have a couple of things in common: they understand technology better then the previous generations and they are still in that age window that allows you to 1) have money 2) take some risks. The other generations may be too old to invest in high risk assets and the newer generations may have no money saved for investments. |
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The reality people who buy Bitcoin at the dip and sell during bullish is better than DCA and holding.
From the past 4 years, if someone can buy and sell at the right time, they can at least earn 12x since the price on 2020 was $5K and now it's $70K. If they're DCA-ing Bitcoin from 2020, they're only earn 2x-3x.
What you are saying it totally makes sense on paper, the problem is that nobody ever know when we are either at the bottom or at the top. There are plenty of people who sold all their bitcoins when we were just at the beginning of the bull run just like there are many people who waited to buy because they expected the price to go lower and lower and then they lost the occasion. |
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Tra l'altro quello che non riesco a capire è: Come mai proprio il 26%? ma questi come ragionano? perchè non il 25? in ogni caso un sistema si deve trovare perchè il 26 è troppo. Ogni volta che btc sale sono i primi a sparlare, a dire che btc è una truffa, però i soldi li vogliono? il 26% se lo acchiappano. Ah quella non è una truffa? Io potevo capire....toh, il 10%.. dai, anche il 15%. Ma cazzo il 26%. Inoltre riflettendo un bel pò sulla situazione ho visto che è inutile spostare a destra e sinistra, nel mio caso ad esempio risulta l'acquisto iniziale su blockchain con il bonifico sepa su quella banca in estonia. Lei giorno X dell'anno X ha comprato questi btc come risulta dal bonifico (tra l'altro la causale lo dice chiaramente perchè devi specificarlo), e nell'ultimo anno si sono triplicati, come mai non lo ha dichiarato?
Che ne pensate di girarli su un mixer e poi dire di averli persi a qualche slot machine virtuale btc? Anche se non ne sono convinto tanto nemmeno io, ma chiedo eh
Grazie a chiunque risponderà ragazzuoli 😊
Non so la ragione del 26% invece che 25% (presumo che tu stia chiedendo perché non fare un numero che è esattamente 1/4) ma posso solamente presupporre che in passato questa percentuale fosse più bassa e poi col passare degli anni la alzano un po' alla volta. Magari tra 5 anni sarà il 27%... Riguardo al fingere di averli persi dipende tutto dai rischi che vuoi prenderti. In ogni caso per me c'è solo una domanda da farsi: vale la pena correre il rischio? Perché se hai, diciamo, 100k euro in BTC capisco che faccia comodo tenere quei 26k che andrebbero in tasse ma dipende come vuoi spenderli, se ci fai la spesa nessuno se ne accorgerà, se pensi di spenderli per comprare qualcosa di importante già cambia. Se invece stiamo parlando di qualche milione allora fatti un anno all'estero, fai cash out tranquillo, e poi nel caso rientri. No no, allora, la situazione è molto piu piccola di tutto questo. Per dirla breve, lo scorso anno a settembre mi sono entrati dei soldi e ho deciso di fare quello che dovevo fare già nel 2013 (sono anni che lo volevo fare). Di questi soldi ho preso 10.000 euro e ho comprato dei satoshi con l'intenzione "a fondo risparmio". Ho pensato, li lascio li tra 2-3 anni ci rivediamo. Ma è successo tutto velocemente e quindi a febbraio di quest'anno che i bitcoin hanno cominciato a salire di nuovo (quando ho comprato i satoshi a settembre praticamente ho comprato mezzo bitcoin visto che stavano a 20.000), nel giro di un mese le 10.000 sono diventate 30.000 circa. Cosa vorrei fare? prendere le 20.000 che ho guadagnato e mettermele nel mio contocorrente e lasciare le 10.000 iniziali per una "salita futura" 😂 (che ci sarà e lo sapete meglio di me 🙂 ). Cosa devo farci co ste 20.000? viverci. Pagare la luce, mangiare e basta. Voi direte e qual'è il problema allora? il propblema è che il prossimo anno nel mio isee, anche se sono disoccupato risulta che ho acquistato questi satoshi, e l'anno dopo ancora risulta che sono cresciuti. E quindi per concludere per quale motivo di queste 20.000 euro guadagnate con la mia geniale intuizione che dura da anni (mentre tutti gli altri mi hanno sempre preso per il culo sul discorso bitcoin), perchè devo dare 5.200 euro (il 26%) allo stato? La storia è tutta questa. Non ci sono ne centinaia di mila euro, ne milioni......purtroppo! eh già, perchè ci potevano essere, se nel 2013 riuscivo a comprare 150 bitcoin quando stavano a 3 euro l'uno. All'epoca ebbi quest'altra geniale intuizione, ma non avevo soldi e un mio amico 400 euro non me li ha voluti prestare, dicendo che ero pazzo, che me li fregavano, che era una truffa, bla bla bla bla. Gli avevo detto che gliene tornavo 1000, ma all'epoca (piu di oggi) quelli che parlavamo di bitcoin eravamo considerati o pazzi o truffatori. E quello fu il mio primo "treno" coi bitcoin che mi è passato davanti. Ecco la mia storia. Scusate la prolissità 🙂 20.000 euro non sono una cifra grande alla fine dei conto, soprattutto se, stando a quello che dici, hai intenzione di spenderli un poco alla volta per cose tipo spesa, bollette, etc, etc. A quel punto cerca di spenderli direttamente tramite qualche carta di debito che si ricarica in crypto e aggiri anche il problema del bonifico. |
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