In this case, the most important question is whether the game is still provably fair? If it is, the casino wouldn't be able to rig the game since they can't predict the result of the next bet, even if they know your next roll.
OP was using autobet feature with a fixed pattern in a game of mine. The boxes are already selected when you use the auto-bet on mine. So yes, Stake can predict the roll and thus the result(whether they will lose or win) in such cases. |
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Since everybody else here considers "newbies" inherently cheaters and Stake can never be in the wrong  . ~ 3.2 seconds is enough time to stop a bot and place a bet. Bugs can happen, but it requires proof or the player should be able to reproduce the bug. Even if OP can reproduce the bug, there's still the question of evidence. I was thinking of using epoch time to build that evidence. But unfortunately, it couldn't be. All the other bets in OP's JSON file have a difference of around 1.3 seconds, except for the bet in question(which has 3.2 seconds). I would suggest OP to record their bets as they happen in the future. Use a screen recorder. I didn't realize until now that autobet settings are not provably fair, but then again, the same applies to clicking a high/low button.
Combine this with the fact that a casino knows your next roll(stake knows all three things: nonce+operator unhashed seed+client seed when you use their autobet feature).
If you believe that OP is telling the truth then there's a good chance of something like this happening:Since Stake can predict the winning bet beforehand, they could have very well slowed down OP's winning roll(there's a delay of 1.9 seconds in this case), and manipulated their auto-bet setting. They don't provide any recorded history of autobet setting in their json data either.A website knows whether a user is on mobile or not, and through javascript can also determine whether the website's window is active or not. If the user is on mobile and the website's window isn't active then it means the user isn't recording the rolls of the auto-bet, Stake can manipulate the autobet scot-free. Even if they get caught, they will refund the user and call it a bug. A customer with evidence will be compensated and he won't bother fighting over whether it was a bug or not. A customer with no evidence(like in this case) can do nothing. Stake can turn off the auto-bet abruptly, right before the winning roll. In this case, the bettor can blame no one and will be left complaining even with evidence. This scheme can be implemented on a large scale to farm additional profit alongside house edge. This is a hypothesis, not an accusation.Or maybe it was just a bug.
Or maybe OP is lying.We will never know the real truth  It's lost in time like tears in rainSuggestion to OP: Never ever use a site's own autobet feature. Always build your own script, and randomize client seed on each roll. |
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It did make a lot of sense if you can take out a little bit of time more to explain what the project is all about, this will help one decide whether they really have to pm you on telegram or not.
Probably another scam token. They will pay you with "tokens" and give you a small stake in a worthless project. Any serious token project would be posting ads on hiring platforms. Save your time, don't even bother contacting them. |
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Your datacenter proxy price is very tempting.
Almost too good to be true.
Possible to get a 1 day trial? I am in constant need of datacenter proxies to scrape pages. Just want to test whether your proxies truly provide unlimited threads.
They are rotating too, right?
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Final is a bo5, safe bet would be over 3.5. Each team is getting at least one map for sure!
over 3.5 @1.4 odds last night was superb value. No chance we see a 3-0 sweep ... but you never know 👀 |
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What I still fail to understand is, how can someone make any kind of profit by creating multiple accounts?
Were they farming referral bonus? But given how there's almost a 10%~15% house edge on sports betting, it's impossible to farm a referral bonus. Maths won't add up.
Different players have different limits on how much they can wager. If they think you've found an edge somewhere, they lower your limits for those types of matches. If they think you're a whale, you get higher limits. One way to get around the lower limits is just make a bunch of new accounts. if you get caught you can always try to gain sympathy by posting on bitcointalk and pretending to be a girl from a country that just got invaded by Russia. I have ignored the said user. I can see they have made another reply. I imagine what happened to their "there has to be something more to this than just multiple accounts" stance |
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Another day, another scam accusation on Stake. I went through OP's post and paid careful attention to the provided evidence. Here's my gist of it in simple words: OP was using Stake's auto-bet feature on a game. On each loss, the auto-BOT was supposed to increase the stake by 125%, and on a win, the bet was supposed to reset back to 0.2$. OP hit a winner at Bet ID: 88223016359; nonce*: 6125; Bet Time: 1652007307807 unix epoch time; amount : 1.3911899 LTC ~ $121 USD Now the next bet was supposed to reset since it's a winner. But it didn't and they lost $131 USD on a loser(Which was supposed to be 0.2$) Bet in question: Bet ID: 88223018458; nonce*: 6126; Bet Time: 1652007309165 unix epoch time; amount : 1.3911899 LTC ~ $121 USD So why isn't Stake helping OP? Because Stake can easily say that OP stopped the bot, and changed the setting  Can we prove them wrong? Yes. OP, please upload the rest of json file. All bets have an individual epoch time. We can easily find average time taken by Auto-BOT to place the next bet and its variance from mean value.
If it's the same, as the time between 88223016359 and 88223018458 then this will prove that 88222991943 was indeed placed by the bot. Because it would be humanly impossible to stop the bot and place the next nonce bet within the exact time frame which is followed by auto-bot(that too on a mobile)
For now, this seems to be the only solution to provide irrefutable evidence.I will help you out  Since everybody else here considers "newbies" inherently cheaters and Stake can never be in the wrong . *Nonce is like a user's personal bet counter. Edit: updated my reply with correct Bet IDs Edit 2: I tried this theory with the provided JSON data. There's an unusual delay of 3.2 seconds before the winner compared to 1.3 seconds in previous bets(which was also supposed to increase by 125%). My theory will no longer help you , since 3.2 seconds is enough time to stop a bot and place a bet. Can't help you on this OP. Sorry  Unless you can find someone else who went through the same issue around that time. |
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Once a month something like this is posted by a brand new account acting innocent and putting on a show to try and get some money.
Stake isn't limited to just people on bitcointalk now. You guys went global with a partnership with Drake and got streamers on twitch playing slot almost 24x7 https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/SlotsOOT suggestion: The integrity department of Stake should expand its scope and include basic human ethics as well https://www.statista.com/statistics/1125170/twitch-app-us-users-age/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334397/
This individual placing bets obtained their profit from betting on sports not casino on 15+ accounts. They made these accounts to circumvent limits and restrictions put on previous accounts and have used their entire extended family's ID along with other potentially bought or borrowed ID's in an attempt to get around these limits. We have a number of methods that gave us very high confidence to link these accounts far beyond the ID's used. I don't want to share all details of the investigation as they will try to find ways to circumvent in the future. They have made a substantial profit all in all because of their use of a bulk of accounts.
What I still fail to understand is, how can someone make any kind of profit by creating multiple accounts? Were they farming referral bonus? But given how there's almost a 10%~15% house edge on sports betting, it's impossible to farm a referral bonus. Maths won't add up. The only explanation would be betting on rigged matches by using multiple accounts? But we don't see any such claim made by Stunna or Stake in their original communication. Their bets aren't on E-sports either(which is very prone to fixing). Most of them are on major football leagues, french open, basketball leagues, etc and OP has been transparent in sharing all of their bet slips. Personally, I am left with only one explanation, which is 1xBet'esque: Banning winners, keeping losers https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M Again, this is my opinion on the matter. I would love to see more explanation over this. Because I am not content with Stunna's current explanation. OP has raised some good questions too.
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There are a few things that do not make sense to me. If the casino has irrefutable evidence that a particular user has violated the ToS, why are they requesting additional ID verification? Is it possible that ID verification could challenge the evidence they already have?
Yup, this is what OP wanted to know. I got judged & ridiculed by some member for trying to shed more light on their case to help them get these answers. |
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Hey boss, I have decided to leave the campaign, sorry for such an abrupt decision. Hoping for a future where we work again  Thanks for the first week and timely payment |
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It's weird how belligerent you're acting in defense of this unknown player, giving them the benefit of doubt with zero reputation making a claim about one of the most established sites in crypto (if you go back to the beginnings of primedice). Were you offered any sort of compensation for successfully helping OP get paid?
Maybe because I feel sympathy for OP since she's a woman from Ukraine who can't speak English to be able to present their case? Sympathy? Do you know what it means? and how it makes people help out strangers? Maybe bitcointalk needs a good samaritan law lol I guess you really can't help people without being prosecuted yourself here. Here's my entire convo with OP on tele **just to prove you wrong AGAIN** https://imgur.com/a/XRo3RndThanks for spoiling my day. I know you are butthurt because I called you out multiple times for your garbage posting and how none of your replies match the context. Also, I have told you multiple times already. Read my summary. I had my own troubles with stake in the past, and they got resolved when Stunna got involved. I hope Stunna won't ignore this case. I have messaged them as well.
Welcome to my ignore list. Not saying that this isn't potentially real - just odd since the company makes an insane amount of money per month, why would they risk it all with what is a 'small' deposit/win for them
OP was able to make multiple small withdrawals tho, without any problem. They suspended their account when they tried withdrawing their profit. Edit: the order in my imgur post is skewed, made another post in chronological order https://imgur.com/a/UjDWIOE |
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yeah that was sick. Twistzz had some pretty great moments yesterday, too bad the rest of the team could't keep up
I still remember his last bullet headshot clutch with a CZ on Nuke during 2018 major against astralis like yesterday. That dude has the best first shot accuracy, no one comes close. yea, they looked weak af. They weren't the same team, that we saw last month. I was tempted by the 3 maps thing, I had already bet ENCE as they are clearly ahead of most teams currently (it was still very close). Nuke is one of the best maps for ENCE and Snax, I thought Furia picked it but Vertigo was theirs and close loss so unlucky you nearly got 3 maps. They got 3 Polish players presently, not sure Snax is restricted by some sanctions problem via his org or not but he is about the best stand in any team has integrated. Snax said he is reminded of his old VP days, they were giant slayers so good omens  Yep think I will side with them for tomorrows game Not sure why mouz kicked him, right after they won IEM NY with him. He's a beast. Now he's going to win IEM Dallas with Ence and still going to get kicked(since he's a stand-in lol). Unlucky guy. Final is a bo5, safe bet would be over 3.5. Each team is getting at least one map for sure! |
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Basically, slots from Push Gaming (Jaminn jars, Razor Shark, Big Bamboo) managed to win a couple of times 15-17k for a bonus, but before that I lost a lot in Play n go. Does it really matter what slots I played?
Slots is the bread and butter of Stake. Every other streamer is playing slots on stake when you open Twitch. It definitely shouldn't be a problem. Stake has already provided their reason, and have stuck to it. It will only make them seem more guilty if they provide some other reason now and change their narration. |
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If they're asking for more and more kyc documents, ........
You are again not in touch with the thread. Please stop making replies. It's really not helping anyone. They asked for more KYC in one email, almost 9 days back. OP even got a reply via Email on 30th May(5 days after submitting required KYC). PLEASE CHECK MY SUMMARY TO UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINE. Please go through the screenshots again. I won't be discussing the other part of your reply since it's off topic. You are free to create a new topic, I will reply reply there. If you believe 1xbit and 1xbet are the same companies, you are free to pursue it on some other thread. |
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Out of all the previous allegations on this forum against casinos you're familiar with, how often did you believe that the player was sharing the whole story and not intentionally leaving out or making up details in attempt to make themselves look like more of a victim than they really are...in order to pressure the casino to pay them money they aren't actually entitled to.
Like I said, Stake won't just freeze your funds because you have multiple accounts. Don't be naive, there is more to this story,
If there was more to the story then why didn't Stake declare so in the communication? Why did it become a problem only WHEN OP started to withdraw a substantial amount , which is coincidentally(?) equal to their profit. Why did Stake ask for additional verification if it was for nothing? I have raised these questions in my conclusion, so please refrain from making any additional replies which amount to nothing except for diluting the seriousness of OP's claim. You have have already made up your decision, but it's based on a fallacy and biased reasoning. And no, 1xbit is a small scam, they had an active sig campaign on this forum until last week. They aren't the same. Bit and bet are different words too. |
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There's no chance Stake would seize players money simply because they have more than one account. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of stake regulars have more than one account. There's more to the story.
Like I said, check previous allegations on this forum. Stake replies with a very descriptive reason when they ban someone. This time it was clause 11, personal use - multiple accounts. They mentioned it explicitly not once, but twice AFTER suspending OP's account. Please don't act it as if those screenshots don't even exist. I am repeating myself here, I wouldn't have to if you went through the thread even once. Or just read my conclusion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.msg60283976#msg60283976
That video is just describing casinos. They exist to make a profit, pretty much all of them. That doesn't make all of them scam casinos like 1xbit, which, in the long run I would argue could be much more successful if scamming players wasn't part of their business model.
Have you even seen the video? The guy is a customer "account" supervisor and he's talking about online gambling. and I meant 1xbet here, not 1xbit. 1xbit is nothing but a small fly. Search 1xbet scam, and you will get to know what I mean. Again, please read the post and entire thread before making any replies here. Thank you. |
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Still waiting for the magical bot.... https://i.imgur.com/utv59UN.jpgThis conversation left me with even more questions lol I stick with my initial judgement, it's nothing but baloney |
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This post reminds me of the guy that figured out some hack on gameart/isoftbet slots a while ago. mainly due to winnings in the slot machine What were your biggest wins, and on which games? According to Stake OP had multiple accounts. Check their Email response and my summary about it. It isn't due to match fixing or rigging. From what I have seen from past cases. Stake is usually descriptive with such cases and leave nothing for interpretation(I checked previous allegations upon stake on this forum). This one stands out as a genuine case and seems very 1xBet'esque.
Thank you for the effort.
Many signature compaign users will come to say stake is big blabbla
I see a lot of scam accusations against Stake last few months
Hope everyone to becareful.
Maybe stake has joined the likes of 1xbet, casumo and other scammy fiat books. I hope not. This is what I mean by 1xbet'esque : https://youtu.be/ABj7peI_R2M |
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