Or maybe they just can't/won't pay the extortion level listing fee.
Ardor is still not an overfunded project, it wouldn't makes sense for them to spend a lot of money on something like this.

He's been addressing what seems to be the main concern of the people in the channel, which been full of price talk (whining) for days.


If I remember correctly the original ICO price back in 2014 were 10 cents.

I think they are still gearing up in that department, and I hope they get together a good team that can bring this project into the limelight it deserves.

Honestly, I'm a bit shocked how well nxt price held up (and recovered recently), after the screenshot. If this didn't kill it, it won't die anytime soon.

In case of Windows wallet it isn't (unless you have some restrictive firewall settings), in desktop linux... no idea.
But it's not POS specific, if it's syncing you are good.

I don't think MAID is a scam (it is a stupidly overused word anyways, endlessly thrown around by people who know nothing about software development and it pitfalls), but at this rate Maidsafe may only benefit my descendants

It's especially interesting if you take into account that right now they allow repayment for the loan in SALT, at the official price.
So SALT tokens are something that you can buy for $13 and use for $27.5. That gap will close fast if they keep it that way.
There was a long reddit post about it yesterday:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7n2g11/the_salt_arbitrage_mystery_how_i_think_it_works/

Delegate Vega is now in position #100 offering 50% profit sharing.

Due to the position and % of reward sharing, I'm currently offering one of the highest return to voters.
Weekly payouts, 2 lisk payout threshold.

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You can read my delegate proposal for more details and my contributions to lisk here.

It's also worth noting that the Circulating Supply is lower than the Total Supply because not all ARK tokens were sold during our TEC, so the total supply not the maximum amount that will ever be but the amount that has been already generated.

Wait, what?
Granted I'm not really following the delegate game that closely these days, but that is just not right.
The guy based all of his delegate campaign since the very beginning on the message how other delegates lower the percentage, and he will never do that!






I won't quote the other times, but he was relentlessly promoting this for months.
I mean, I have zero problem changing terms on a pool, as I know very well how situations can change and adaptation is needed. But when your whole delegate identity and a large part of the votes you got initially based on something, maybe you should stick to it....

Previously coinmarketcap only showed the amounts withdrawn from the SALT sale platform as circulating supply.
Now, it's shows the correct amount of circulating supply based on the tokens sold during the various tiers, around 54.6 million tokens.

No he didn't, as you had to vote for liberspirita too to get that 100%, which means in effect those two delegates paid you 2x50%.

You can't have it both ways. If all rules, laws, guidelines followed then they can't actively work on being added to exchanges as their position must be that they are only a membership. This on itself will not prevent exchanges for adding them, just the opposite, as all this positioning and rules are for not being labeled a security, the one thing that would truly stop an exchange to add them.
The real problem however is exchanges became freaking prima donnas (and for US exchanges since that SEC letter it's even worse). It's becaming increasingly difficult to be added to an exchange and most of the times takes a fair amount of money, connections and an active work from the project developers. So no, SALT won't be in dozens of exchanges, but I'm sure it will be added to some (more) significant ones in time.

As far as from serving only US costumers at the beginning while accepting money all around, well I totally agree with you. Altough there might be one additional insentive to hold, they said to introduce a staking opportunity soon. (when you get reward based on the amount of coin/token you hold)

I don't think so. At least it wasn't in their abstract or in any of their statements, it's always only two items. The amount(s) sold and the amounts left in reserved to be available for sale the public after the platform launched. From what I seen so far they are super paranoid about keeping it legal and above board, I would be shocked to learn that they omited this.
A lot of the delays, feet dragging, overly cautious approach been obviously been because they are constantly consulting with lawyers about things, looks like they are very aware that sooner or later they will need to be accountable for SEC and who knows that else as an US company.

One of those things that they were very adamant about it from the beginning that it's not an ICO but a discounted membership sale and how the token is for to be used for paying for membership and other services and not for speculation or trading. It's bullshit of course as I don't think they allowed people to buy hundreds of thousands of tokens and when like "Oh, that guy must want to make sure that he has yearly fees covered until the year 202,017, smart!", but they still went through this and several other dances.

I'm not saying this whole sale were flawless, (as a matter of fact I caught them winging it more than a few times, although it were probably not that obvious for someone who haven't themselves been part of a crowdsale before and know what to look for) they made several mistakes and I agree that the too great difference between tiers were one of them.
It's just that I don't expect it to matter much in the long run. There were a good amount of ICOs that made greater return than it would be from $0.25 to even $20 (not to mention in reallity it's more like $0.4, as the bitcoin price at the time of the 0.25-0.75-1.5 tiers were around $2500) and nobody cares a few months after the fact.

Most of those tokens seem to be in more steady hands than the avarage ICO flippers and on the long run for a token that has actually utility, expecially for a platform this close of being launched, the price will be determined by demand (and hype as this is still crypto).
We'll see this is pure speculation on my part, you never know with these projects.

I love the newbie army that knows what's what.
Just a few quick corrections. People are not being kicked for wanting to discuss (ie: complaning about the unfairness of life) lower tier, the full structure and amounts sold were disclosed two months ago and was discussed to death. People buying at $5, $7.5, $10 already knew all this if they spent more than 5 minutes researching before putting money into the project.

What will get you banned is discussing price and exchanges repeatedly after asked not to. This is also not a new development it has been the policy from the very beginning, as SALT is an US based company have a bunch of lawyers advising them, trying their best not to be a security and to follow any law and SEC guidelines.
This message or some variation of it were posted countless times in the last months, if someone ignores that, they should be banned.

Few more things. All ICOs controled by whales, deal with it. The only difference is that most of the times the pre-sales are a lot less public (although granted the discounts are usually much less steep), but people with money and connections will get better deals, that's life.

Complaining about how the team were allowed to buy at a low price is very funny when in contrast most projects just allocates a good portion of the supply to give out to the team for "free". Not to mention various advisors, partners, exchanges, etc that most of the times also get free coins. Yet, here they paid for it.(Also 50% of the tokens bought by the team is vested for a year.)

It's all about context. If you hear about a crowdsale where avarage people got in at drastically lower price, you should be very wary, because ICO flippers will run like hell with that kind of profit within seconds that it hits the exchange. But when the team, investment groups, exchanges, future partners, etc bought up most of the cheap stuff, well they will much more likely to hold. Just look at the exchange action so far. Yes it didn't open at $10-$15-$25 price level, but why would it when ppl who didn't get to invest their pocket money whine about it endlessly and spread missinformation for days? Those people were predicting massive dumps, thus keeping the initial price low. Yet what happened? The dump was minimal, much less than it usually is after a new ICO coin gets on an exchange. Why? Because most of those early investors are not interested in a quick profit, not even for the current 10-12x, as they know exactly what they invested in, and they have patience.

I'm keep leftover balance records even if someone unvotes me so they can keep accumulating if voted back later. But I'm using my own pool script, not sure how others do it.

The good news is that the ROI for voting is (about) the same no matter how much Lisk you hold, it just takes a bit longer to get it.

Lisk is DPoS not PoS so you don't need to run a wallet for "staking".

The amount of reward you get is depends on not just that delegates you voted for, but with how much. If you only have a few thousand or less Lisk, then your share of the reward is too small for the delegates to pay it out, because the transaction cost would be too high compared to your reward.

For example, my delegate "vega" just did the weekly payout, I'll give you a real live example:

Voter 4507255828144965649L currently have 4,084.61 Lisk in their account.
This represents 0.018% of the total votes cast to the delegate.
Their weekly reward (the delegate is sharing 50%) is 0.27869788 Lisk.
If I'd pay out this amount right away, the transaction cost would be more than third of the total reward, so it's not good for the voter.
For this reason only rewards over 2 Lisk get paid out, keeping transaction cost under 5%, which also means that:
A voter with approx. 4000 Lisk will get paid every 8 weeks on avarage.

So my advice is to be patient, your payouts will come. The worst thing you can do is switch votes, as your compounding rewards with various sharing delegates would just get lost.

The percentage that was sold to the team and not outside investors is unknown, but whatever is bought by the team 50% of it is vested for a year.

I agree that it was a mistake to make the discount this steep, or at least allowing this much token to be sold at the lowest tier, but I don't thing it will matter much in a few months. From what I seen on the blockchain so far there aren't any more or bigger whales than in any other ICOs (BTW in most of those ICOs there are also pretty steep presale or private sale discounts for large investors) and it's not like a lot of other ICOs haven't produced 10-30-50x returns in short times.

As long as there is good utility for the token, the platform is useful and used in a few months nobody will care about who got in at what price.

Other developments should also drastically help with this, like when they allow SALT to be used as collateral for loans, even paying down interest rates.
We should also hear about a "staking" plan in the near future.

This should all help make SALT token an attractive token to hold. We'll see. Hey it's only money.

Yes, this is what a lot of ppl with not enough information keep insisting on, but I bet that the affect will be much less then you all think.

First of all, those who bought at $0.25~$1.5 did so when Bitcoin was at around $2500 (ethereum was not an option at the time) based on the Bitcoin price rise since than they paid more like $0.4~$2.5.

Secondly there is a reason that you and most of other traders, ICO hoppers, quick profit hunters, etc. didn't even hear about the $0.25 until much later. Simply put it wasn't open to the general public. The majority of this was bought up by the team, serious investors, future enterprise users, (and I bet an exchange or too).
These are not people who look for quick profits, especially when they see much greater profit in the long term, or even better an utility to their tokens. In Salt's case the platform may launch as soon as mid-november.

Sure, there will be dumping but it will be moderate, $0.25 ($0.4 really) investors are not the masses who scare easily, money knows how to make more.

Now, one last thing, just for the record. The only reason I made this post because this thread is full of negativity, and bad information (seriously, about half of the facts posted here are either outright wrong or misleading), simply because no SALT Team member ever set foot into this thread, or even someone with more knowledge about the issues ever really bothered to show up here and spend time and energy on setting people straight.
There were serious in-depth discussions about this and many other issues about the membership sale as well as the future utility of the platform itself. But not here, never here.

So my advice for someone who is looking for information on SALT and found this thread would be: Find a better source of information, this there won't serve you well.