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421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NEO partnerships on: February 14, 2018, 08:38:57 PM
Two very recent ones:

1. Ontology https://ont.io/;
2. Switcheo https://switcheo.network/.

We all waited for NEO projects I think and I sincerely think that 2018. will be THE NEO year considering all the announcements.
422  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Need members for blockchain project who speaks Choratian! on: February 14, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
Čorejtijan? Cheesy
423  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Pomoc- novi sam ovdje on: February 14, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
Ajde nemojte da se ova tema pretvori u štancanje postova kao što je tema Koliko nas ima...

Ova tema može biti korisna za one prave početnike koji ne znaju gdje da krenu, što da čitaju i slično. Takav sam i ja bio kad sam prvi put došao ovdje. Najlakše je starijim članovima napisati samo "čitaj stare postove", a ima ih hrpetina (plus, opet ne znaš koji ima smisla, a koji nema). Evo, moj prijedlog je da ova tema bude za takve stvari... Novi neka pitaju, a mi stari ćemo odgovoriti koliko znamo.

Primjer uzornog forumaša koji nije postao prekaljen i grintav.  Prava rijetkost, bravo.
No ja bih uistinu ostavio prijedlog da se malo čita okolo i da se konkretiziraju pitanja - i prije i poslije toga. Znaš ono - uđe čika u salon i pita - što mi možete reći o autima?
424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ►►►► CroByte | ⭐ Cryptocurrency for Croatia | 🚀 Merchant Adoption on: February 14, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Crobyte, Darkwin, It was a long wait and I am really glad to see that we finally have representatives in this exciting marketing.
Have you already talked to some of our municipalities, do you have any positive feedback? Croatia is a very conservative country in general, but we also do have a lot of people interested in new technologies and mindsets and even though it is very hard to find the right people on right positions I do believe it is possible.
425  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Hrvatska kriptovaluta on: February 14, 2018, 06:32:08 PM
Čekao sam ovo već i predugo. Što se tiče kvalitete, tek trebam podrobnije proučiti. Čak i airdrop u Q3 Smiley
426  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: February 14, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Can't wait for Real-PSG to start. I will be playing both teams to score & over 2.5. There is not much to say about this tip. Everybody knows what kind of attack PSG has and the will score for sure today. For Real to have any chances of progression to next stage they have to score at least 2 goals today.

Although I haven't been watching Champions league except for the Finals during the last few years (what those clubs and UEFA are doing with money laundering is simply disgusting), I will watch this one.

If Real has ever been more vulnerable during the course of last two years, it is this moment, and as you mentioned it, we all know what kind of attacking horse-power PSG has. Just a few months ago I would have said - Real, without a sweat - they had a great well-tuned team and they seemed invincible. However, at this moment I will have to give a slight advantage to PSG. They have been waiting to win a big decisive match for a couple of years and they were basically preparing for this during the whole season as their domestic competition is rather weak (compared to their team). They could burn out though.
427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] UNIVERSA [ICO] | Blockchain Protocol for Business on: February 14, 2018, 06:17:51 PM
Stripple,  Dvd1989, thank you, both, for your responses. I didn't know that. The patience is not a problem for me in this case, I just like to know what is happening and I obviously haven't been on top of this.
428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Can world Government Kill Crypto? on: February 14, 2018, 10:08:01 AM
It is hard to kill a movement because there is something called "a critical mass" and once a critical mass of people enters something you cannot roll back. It is also hard to kill such a strong and useful technology because there will always be someone who will accept it (take a look at Belarus example from the article) and other will have to "not fall behind", if not for anything then for political reasons. And cryptos became both - technology (for asset creation and distribution) and the movement (for decentralization and more fair wealth allocation).

i totally disagree, sorry. All altcoins are worth something due to the possibility to exchange it to BTC. once BTC crashes, those coins will be worth NOTHING. Who is going to be using mining and spending electricity on something that's worth NOTHING??

Actually not all. Some of them change to ETH and ETH can be exchanged directly for FIAT. However, yes, your reasoning is correct. I don't believe that Bitcoin can crash totally because of better regulation. Regulation is a positive thing. Banning is another thing, but not a single country has yet proposed to ban crypto trading, all news suggesting that were simply fake.

For god shake, i don't know if you have interests on any coin (i sold all my ETH at 1050$). i knew this was gonna happen. If BTC is worth almost nothing, all altcoins will be worth nothing. If BTC cannot be used in real live, nor will be those alt coins.

That was actually a smart move. I wish I did that so that I can buy a whole lot more at low prices. I am just hoping you are not using the FUD to get that little bit extra price down......

For me , cryptocurrency is dead, because goverments have done what they can only do: put regulations over them, so that they are not viable to evade taxes. This is the only truth of nowadays, and what proves why BTC and ETH have lost 50% of its value in 1 month, or why in that same period, the money invested in cryptomarket has gone from 800.000.000.000 dollars to about 280.000.000.000.000, that's like 70% down.
Face it, those that are farming, will spend more money in electricity and actual profit. And yes, they have killed cryptocurrency. At all. If you don't believe me, see the graphs of all coins and compare news from goverments to falls in price. they absolutely match.

Yes, but they had a gain of 1000% in a very short period of time too, so I don't see the market as "falling apart" just yet. The only thing that is pitty is that the expected market crash, correction, or whatever you would like to call it, came after some totally insignificant, and mainly fake news. Check this thread for the discussions on the matter: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865338.msg29417479#msg29417479, you will not that crypto development has much more technical strength over the FUD, but marketing is unfortunately a different thing.

Anyway, a rise and crash of Bitcoin is normal and expected, look at its graph over time since the start. Nothing unusual there.

Thanks for your answer, but i partially disagree.

If the market and people actually believed in this project of blockchain, why would you run away from it at the first hit? Well....this is where i disagree with you. You say that there is a big technical strength in crypto. But that's not true. It was the actual marketing of crypto who said that. If you spend like me about 1 week watching the projects behind all those alt coins, you will see that none of them has a viable project, just a good idea (and used ico to get the money, btw, those coins are worth NOTHING nowadays). The real fact is that none of them have made their way through this disaster. all crashed at the same speed of BTC, and thats irrefutable.  

Can you tell me what is actually backing up the project of ETH for example?? Who and what is behind that?? well.....nothing. Cryptocoins are usefull as long as you can make money with it (which is btw a type of gambling). but the real fact is that, once goverments and banks have entered the fight, with the first hit they've had enough. that 70% lost, are all the people that where in for the hype, the tax evasion, or just to gamble. once goberments have said: ban or tighter controls, all the market has collapsed.

It collapses because of the controls and regulations? or just because people don't believe in the projects they invested in because of the controls? choose one. There is no other option.

BTW, i'm not interested in buying any coin, because that's the biggest error you can make right now, since the market is already collapsing. If you buy, you are going to lose money, thats granted. but do whatever you want, it's your money. Just and advice: only use the money you can afford LOSING.  

you say that losing more than 50% of its value means nothing because it won a lot before. That's actually false. Cryptocoins won money due to DE-regulations not value. Goverment and banks said nothing. once the problem was big enough for them, the old system has crashed to ashes cryptocurrency, and that will never return.

Forget about projects, cryptocurrency was not about that, that was just the lie for you to enter. cryptocurrency was all about tax evasion. Simple as that. And once evading has been made difficult, it has crashed because investors leaved the place as soon as they could. 800.000.000.000 before announcements of regulations , controls and bans. 275.000.000.000 after those announcements. it's clear as water my friend.

in the last 24 hours, the market cap of ETH has lost 14.000.000.000 dollars. what i cannot understand is why people are still farming. Are they dreaming of an epic comeback?the profit per card (considering 32Mh/s per card) is actually about 1,5 dollars per day (without considering electricity costs). so.......

205.000Gh/s are actually mining ETH. WTF!!! prices way down, difficulty way up, with Casper behind the door already knocking. the only reason i can think of is that all that people are knocked like a boxer that has received a big punch in the face. 205.000 Gh/s of convinced people that this is just a hole in the rough path. but it's not. If you cannot win free money with cryptocoins.....well, happens what it is happening right now.



Stock exchange market is similar, although "a little bit" more mature and settled down - there are many people that run away at the first hit. There is a great technical strength in blockchain and system of smart contracts. However, the point where you are indeed right lies in the fact that most of the platforms are still very underdeveloped and marketing is way ahead of technology and adoption. I however strongly believe that 2018. and 2019. will be the years of slow catching up.

Governments are able to control the market to some extent, but apparently they are also afraid of the masses and falling behind, and if you carefully sort out the news, most of them are in favor of crypto technologies, only with more strict regulations - which is only a good thing. You have a court debate in the USA speaking in favor of crypto, China obviously wanting to adopt and take out the most from this new technology, Russia speaking in favour.... and there will be more and more people and systems accepting payments in crypto, just like the recent case with winter Olympic champion.

Your option of choices is correct, however, there is one thing you are not correct about - market never collapsed - it's just FUD saying it collapsed. It just went through a few corrections.

About your mathematics - your calculations are also correct, but as you can see the situation is slowly stabilizing and we yet have to see where it is going. The market is currently sitting and around 430 mils. It shows high volatility, but we already knew that.  Also, although the market corrected, it is still on a much higher level then it was just a few months ago. To use your own words - it's as clear as water.

About mining, well I can only agree with you. However, I don't believe that people don't have their own calculations. Maybe they calculated their gain/loss based on projected future values, not on the current ones.

429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] UNIVERSA [ICO] | Blockchain Protocol for Business on: February 14, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
Good day,

I got

"Withdrawal requested:
50 UTN
to your account at Universa Blockchain (MainNet)

Your withdrawal is in progress... We will notify you soon."

for about a month or so already.

Should I be worried?
430  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Facebook banning All crypto ads!! on: February 13, 2018, 10:50:20 PM
Yes, this is very bad news for every crypto hodler.

What is bad in banning the ads? Do you ever use them? Do you click on them? I am actually afraid of clicking on those adds as I could get some malware..... they are also very annoying.

Of course that a smart developer would ban something that is potentially full of viruses (scam coins can advertise in the same ways as legit coins). I am sure that he will bring them back as soon as the market will be regulated. But as of our concern, he doesn't have to - those ads are totally unimportant. The only important thing is that people are panicking without any reason.

Oh yes, and maybe Mark also wants to buy some Bitcoins so he is deliberately creating FUD to push the price down. I wouldn't be so surprised. Good for us. Discounts for grabs!
431  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Olympic athlete gets paid in cryptocurrency on: February 13, 2018, 10:44:11 PM
This is just an advertisement for some shitcoin. Why would people be excited about this?

Well, modern top athletes (and we are talking about the double world record holder here) get most of their income from sponsors, not from regular salaries from their respective clubs. Ted-Jan Bloemen accepted a sponsorship and will get paid in cryptocurrencies. It is an advert, yes - that is the purpose of sponsorship for the sponsors, but also a milestone as this is just the first one. Many will join soon enough, I am sure of it.
432  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lets fight the FUD together on: February 13, 2018, 10:40:12 PM
Here goes another one. A double world record holder gets paid in cryptocurrency.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/10/sport/crypto-speedskater-ted-jan-bloemen-winter-olympics-intl/index.html

Quote: #Canadian speed skater Ted-Jan Bloemen recently became the first athlete to be paid in virtual money when he struck a one-year sponsorship deal with ONG Social, a social network and crypto community, and CEEK VR, a developer of virtual reality experiences.#
433  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 2018 NBA Season on: February 13, 2018, 10:35:59 PM
In today's Golden State Warriors and SUNS competition!

The coaching staff of the Golden State Warriors took a break from the team, leaving Andre iguodala, green and Stephen curry to discuss the tactics, and they seemed to disrespect their opponents!

I don't see the "disrespect" act made by the coaching staff it's much more as a strategy to at least boost the team's chemistry. Steve Kerr as I see is trying to maximize the potential of his players, also it's a great way to improve the communication in and out of the court.

 

Yes, I agree, its not that they "disrespect" their opponents more likely a psychological move by Kerr to let his players see things on their own. We all know that he used to be under Phil Jackson during their NBA championship runs, and I'm sure that he learns alot of things from him. We even heard that they have Yoga sessions before.

I'm sure that Kerr is just implementing his own strategy inside and outside the court to really bring the best out of his players, not just physically but psychologically as well because most of the time, it is still a mental game.

I don't see it as disrespect either. Kerr is a very innovative strategist and I also do agree that this was probably a part of his idea of boosting the team's chemistry.
By the way, I really don't see who could come even close to beating them this season.
434  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Europa League/Champions League Lounge on: February 13, 2018, 10:33:03 PM
Manchester City with 4-0 is already in the quarterfinals and is certainly among the favorites for the victory of the champion's league!
Precious draw for 2-2 of Tottenham away against Juventus!
Now Tottenham is favored for qualifying for the quarterfinals.
 
There are great chances that an English team will win the cup this year.

Actually, Premier league is a top league at the moment. There are quite a few teams that could win the Champions league (some of them would need a great amount of luck, but they could still pull it off) - Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool. I wouldn't even be surprised to see two of them competing in the final. However, I do believe that teams from other countries still have a great say in this. By that, I mean Barcelona, Real Madrid & PSG primarily. Bayern is unfortunately still recovering from bad decisions they made a couple of seasons ago (replacing the top manager with another top manager - but of a very different character, which was completely unnecessary at the time), maybe next season they could be strong enough to pull it off to the semi-finals, after that - who knows.
435  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lets fight the FUD together on: February 13, 2018, 12:12:56 PM
I used to work in communications on Wall Street....and I can tell you 100% that whenever the "fud" (we didn't call it that) would roll out in such a loud and coordinated way, it meant you better be buying or ready to buy. Someone, or many someones, were simply trying to push down the price and then boom, it all disappeared and whichever issue that had been shit on absolutely rallied.

The fud is a sign we're actually in the right place.

This is an ingenious tip, thank you mammothine.

@Bolt Brownie, check this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2912407.new#new
It appears that Arizona is about to accept Bitcoin for tax payments. A fantastic news, in case they are true.
436  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain-Friendly Arizona Moves to Allow Bitcoin Tax Payments on: February 13, 2018, 12:10:02 PM
Those are very good news. I will recommend this for the anti-FUD group:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2865338.msg29792422#msg29792422
437  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: A strategy for "surviving" in times of crisis on: February 13, 2018, 12:02:36 PM
Number 4 to 8 are not good idea for because in time of crisis people need to minimized the expenses.

That is absolutely true. However, I meant a crisis in crypto world, not overall crisis. And, just for the sake of possible future economic discussions please keep in mind that while for the individual person it is a good strategy to save money during the crisis, for a society it is the worst strategy as only a good cash flow can bring back the investments and push the economics towards the upward trend. That is one of the basic economic phenomena that for some reason most of those in position to do something about it don't seem to comprehend.

Somehow it is like gambling addicted, I do not called it is strategy, this is just some normal mindset that you need to do in emergency

I like how you called it "a mindset", and not "a strategy" as that was precisely my point. It is funny how most of the people took it literally.

This doesn't have any logic:
1. I invested 100 dollars.
2. OK price is x2 and I pulled out my initial investment of 100 dollars.
3. Extra profit in time when price is rising, but what if price is going down? But let's say price go 3 time higher.
4. Prices for tropical country for whole family is minimum 2000 dollars.
5. To activate my 500 dollars crisis fund, I'm best case that much?!
6. Where we can go with 500 dollars.
7. Come back from holiday and you are in big dept.
8. To repeat what when I returned all the money?

Your strategy will work if you invest thousands of dollars, and who can afford to lose that much? Your strategy doesn't work much if you invested in wrong time! Read about people who bought at 19000 dollars, where are they now, and where is their profit?
Your strategy will work just if circumstances are perfect.
Don't fool yourself that this will work, I don't know what other people comment.

1. Your investment is rather small, but it is a good start, or better said a perfect start if that is all you can afford to lose without caring deeply about it.
2. I would have waited a little bit more actually, but OK, a safe approach is a good approach.
3. By my experience with cryptos, if you have a portfolio it will always rise in a long term. If you invest only in one coin you are playing with your luck. If the price goes down, you have to be patient. So far the long-term trend was always upwards. Patience is a key here as you could have invested just before the crash which would comprehend longer waiting.....
4.  Yeah, that was basically a joke, what is important is a mindset. Take 10 USD from the crisis funds and by an ice-cream, I don't know, whatever you like.
5.-8. Kind of self-explanatory after you understand 1-4.


the strategy you mentioned is true but sometimes I still get scared when I'm stuck at high prices again, so to overcome it I should just wait for normal kembabli prices by closing the existing market.

We all get scared, that is normal. The key lies in minimizing the anxiety.

This doesn't look like a strategy to me at all. It is more like a future story to me Grin Grin .
My best strategy during the time of crisis would be something like
1) Find out why the prices are dropping.
2) Analyse the charts and predict if the price will drop further.
3) Sell your coins and buy back at a lower price to gain an increase in capital.
4) Enjoy more profit when the price increases
For anybody who finds it tough to do the above should just hold on to what they have. Never panic. Chill out and stay away until the crash is over.

Absolutely, that is the purpose of a technical analysis. You should always strive to do one. Your strategy can easily be incorporated into mine. Nothing clashing here.


If you are a crypto newbie start from point 1. If you already invested money into cryptos then start from point 2.

1. Invest only the amount you can afford to lose without even sweating about it.
Very important part. There is nothing worse than having to cash out and market is deep in the red. You will sweat no matter the amount Smiley
2. Wait for the rise of the value of your investment around 2x and then pull out the amount of your initial investment. This way it's like you never invested and you still have a profit, and a portfolio.
I am doing something similar, cashing out in parts as my coin is growing. I have different exit strategies for each coin but usually I cash out first 30% on x3. I would like to point out that you haven't earned anything on coin that has gone up 1000x until you cash out. It can crash the next day. Remember: Lock in your profits.
3. When you receive some extra profit put that aside too - open yourself a little "crisis fund".
I actually have "crisis fund" and "reinvestment fund"
4. When the crisis happens, look for the prices of travel to the tropical country you always wanted to visit.
5. Activate your "crisis fund".
6. Take your family on a vacation and enjoy the sunshine while everybody else is panicking.
7. Return from the vacation and irregularly check your portfolio to enjoy the rise in value.
Maybe most important one. Don't check every few minutes. You will just get stressed.
8. Repeat steps 3-8.
Unfortunately, real life doesn't let me do steps 4-8, but I use the times when market is in red to add some cash from reinvestment fund into projects I believe in. Effectively buying them at 50% or more discount. Of course it is difficult to judge the exact bottom of the crash. I have for instance added to my bitcoin position at 10k because I thought it would not go any lower.

Good advice, i have taken the liberty to add my take on your steps in green color inside the quote.

Bravo Trofo. Many can learn from you, myself included.
438  Economy / Economics / Re: Centralisation vs. decentralisation in society and the role of the blockchain on: February 11, 2018, 10:42:12 PM
Decentralization is a better choice in society, too much of centralization hampers the system just taking the example of bitcoin only can tell as bitcoin is decentralized currency with lot of advantages. So I would prefer for decentralization over centralization.

Hampering actually means restricting movement. Decentralisation is also restricting movement because it is making decision making slower. However, there are ways to improve the decision-making process and I got what you wanted to say....this was just for the sake of the argument.
439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lets fight the FUD together on: February 11, 2018, 10:39:43 PM


No, you are completely correct, and I actually listed the Facebook news about the ban on the list as well. For some reason I thought you were saying that Facebook add ban was bad for bitcoin because of the ban, and not because of the FUD it was generating (no idea why I thought that though). I was just stating my personal opinion about that, but I guess that we have the same opinion, or at least we both consider that as FUD. It is there already, and do keep posting more news as you encounter them.

OK, thank you. I think that Facebook add case is a typical example of a totally unnecessary FUD.
440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Crypto growing at your expected rate? on: February 10, 2018, 06:06:18 PM
It's already grown far beyond my wildest imagination - in terms of market capitalization, and especially individual value of Bitcoin. Not just that, it was not a long time ago that I realized that it's just a start.

In terms of technology, I consider it to be a little bit slower then I thought. This big discrepancy is the worst problem actually. We have a speculative balloon that could explode and destroy otherwise beautiful technology. Technology has to catch up soon.
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