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2221  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 12:52:42 PM

Chinese yuan.
Get used to saying that if Bitcoin dies. China will claim to have defeated Bitcoin and will then point at the dollar. The USD will crumble faster than Bitcoin.

Sentiment among legendary members seems to be at an all time low, lower even than when we were stuck at $300. This was my sign to sodl
I didn't say I was selling. I'm just an an old curmudgeon telling the trolls to get off my lawn.
2222  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 12:31:19 PM

Chinese yuan.
Get used to saying that if Bitcoin dies. China will claim to have defeated Bitcoin and will then point at the dollar. The USD will crumble faster than Bitcoin.
2223  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Will Keep Falling, Here's How to Profit on: October 25, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
That's actually a fair strategy. It's consistent with what I've been calling Rule of Thirds for a long time.
2224  Economy / Economics / Re: Will there ever be another crypto boom similar to BTC in my lifetime? on: October 25, 2014, 12:08:48 PM
If BTC will fail, it will be very hard for people to trust again on alts.

It won't be a quick and one time event, it will fade slowly, with capital gradually (over the course of 2-3 years) flowing into a small number of alts with unique and prominent features. The capital flow already started by the way in 2014.
Please demonstrate. Is there a youtube video that shows these "unique and prominent features" in action?
2225  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 12:02:51 PM

dead cat bounce brah...

Google bitcoin dead cat bounce  results = About 24,400 results (0.29 seconds)

Schrodinger's version: "A cat is placed in a box with..."
Bitcoin version:          "A dead cat is placed in a box with..."
That's not a dead cat bounce. It's a financial term, not a physics term. It's been used by bitcoin trolls thousands of times and they are always wrong.

Aaaah, got it!  And all this time I thought we were talking about this:


They were talking about a death scene:
2226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 11:55:21 AM

dead cat bounce brah...

Google bitcoin dead cat bounce  results = About 24,400 results (0.29 seconds)

Schrodinger's version: "A cat is placed in a box with..."
Bitcoin version:          "A dead cat is placed in a box with..."
That's not a dead cat bounce. It's a financial term, not a physics term. It's been used by bitcoin trolls thousands of times and they are always wrong.
2227  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: October 25, 2014, 11:49:28 AM
How long before Trezor ICs are available for the public?  Wink
2228  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 11:46:54 AM

dead cat bounce brah...

Google bitcoin dead cat bounce  results = About 24,400 results (0.29 seconds)
2229  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 11:24:53 AM
I see that a lot of people are upset with me that i got out in time.
Please don't be. I'm here to help you.
I suppose that's only fair since you didn't get in on time despite our pleas when bitcoin was 2 usd.
2230  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 08:33:13 AM
Here's the thing. This is entirely rigged to suck out your coins cheap. Then they will sell your coins to their buddies and watch you panic buy. But there won't be any cheap coins then. I know how that sounds, but real life is just that idiotic and we now have the attention of people with no sense of fairness.
2231  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 08:22:07 AM
I'm no longer afraid of any price dump even though I'm still all in. I liquidated material assets I no longer wanted and will keep buying during these big dips.
2232  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will inevitably Fail as Altcoins suceed on: October 25, 2014, 08:16:48 AM
I always think about ipv6 and ipv4 in this comparison.

I don't think this comparison is valid or interesting.
Bitcoin is more like a higher layer protocol over TCP/IP, I like comparing it to UUCP that had limited applications.
IIRC Gavin recently observed that a better analogy would be ethernet replacing token ring.

That's physical level. Shouldn't we best search for software level analogies? Crypto currencies are software after all.
Bitcoin is a protocol, not software.
2233  Economy / Speculation / Re: Logarithmic (non-linear) regression - Bitcoin estimated value on: October 25, 2014, 08:10:10 AM
Let's now see some new analytics using splines and regressive curvilinear functions. I'm so tired of seeing mspaint lines over boring plots. The speculation threads will love these.
2234  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 07:58:11 AM
I buy bitcoins with a paycheck, and so I'd rather the price stay as low as possible so that I can keep adding to my savings.

Poor guy.

This is the big consolidation/denial phase, isn't it?
One of many before and after.
2235  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 07:56:17 AM
I might take out a big credit loan and buy bitcoin,

 Huh

All the smart people are getting out. Bitcoin is dead.
Can you people seriously not see it?
This is the 6th year and it's going nowhere. It already had its peak and it failed.
Yeah but the funerals are so lovely. Nice folks like you say such nice things everytime Bitcoin dies.
2236  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will inevitably Fail as Altcoins suceed on: October 25, 2014, 07:53:13 AM
I always think about ipv6 and ipv4 in this comparison.

I don't think this comparison is valid or interesting.
Bitcoin is more like a higher layer protocol over TCP/IP, I like comparing it to UUCP that had limited applications.
IIRC Gavin recently observed that a better analogy would be ethernet replacing token ring.
2237  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 25, 2014, 07:35:29 AM
Yes that's right if you compare to now but in Feudalism, people were no more "slaves" like they were during the Roman Empire.
It was still very hard but they had the right to own land and trade which make a big difference.
The definition of feudalism is a bit muddy, (perfect for politicians) and the traditions varied over time and place (also perfect for politicians, you can claim anything), but generally feudalism is described  as farmers not owning the land, the lord did and the vassals rented it in exchange for resources and military duties.

You're right, it is hard to define and you're probably the only one here that know a bit about feudalism.
But I found it really interesting, especially the high decentralization and the absence of state (as we have nowadays).
People are total ignorant when they claim that the social organization did not change in the last 3000 years.
But hey, for most Americans, History start 400 years ago or more likely 50 years ago...

Go tell Israel they never existed before.
2238  Other / Off-topic / Re: Applepay resulting in over 1,000 doublespends........ on: October 25, 2014, 05:23:36 AM
It's beyond ridiculous for bitcoiners to celebrate because apple pay is having technical issues.

1. Apple pay and bitcoin don't compete with each other. Bitcoin isn't a company nor a product. It's a technology. For all we know apple pay might start using bitcoins in the background in a few years.
2. It would be a blessing for the bitcoin community if apple manages to shift consumer's behavior on how they pay for things.
We're not celebrating Apple's failure, we're laughing at it. Okay, so putting a camera on a phone was pretty cool, but putting all my account information online with a portable device is just silly. Apple had security issues in the past. They should stick to adding functionality to phones like TV remotes, walkie talkies, or Star Trek Tricorders.
2239  Other / Off-topic / Re: Applepay resulting in over 1,000 doublespends........ on: October 25, 2014, 05:12:09 AM
Apple really jumped the shark with ApplePay. It will be hard to ever take them seriously again.
2240  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin Andresen Proposes Bitcoin Hard Fork to Address Network Scalability on: October 25, 2014, 04:47:53 AM
I still want to know, technically, how a side chain could work, including the ability to trustlessly, without an intermediary or a human-operated point of failure or control, move coins back and forth from the side chain, through some unbounded number of side chain transactions, and back to the main chain.
Me too. Key management is cumbersome enough with only one blockchain let alone having to handle multiple blockchains simultaneously. I've worked out a way to manage 1:1 bitcoin swaps using 2 of 2 multisignature transactions, but it would be worse than just using Bitcoin.

After thinking about it for a few minutes the one solution which came to mind was something along the lines of what follows, and doesn't even include any fancy stuff though the idea of figuring out how to exchange private keys themselves (possible 'BTC fractions' outlined below) has always appealed to me for a few reasons:

I choose to fund a sidechain with 1BTC.  In doing so, the sidechain gives me 1M unripened tokens.  Only I can ripen them and make them usable.

The sidechain keeps kind of a 'till' filled with whatever fractions of BTC they have handy, but they are locked up and it requires X number of ripened tokens to unlock.  I can trade my ripened tokens around with other users within the system, and if I want to cash out (into Bitcoin) I can dedicate my ripened tokens to the task.

Possibly the sidechain in order to perform optimizations and what-not would request that I give them some ripened tokens which they might use to thaw some BTC.  Possibly just to get their till organized and also maybe sometimes to balances between themselves and other sidechains.  This I would happily do and of course accept some unripened tokens right away as replacements.  Naturally this would be effortless and automatic on my part though I might tweak some knobs once it a while.

Actually, come to think of it, maybe I have full and unique control to unlock specific BTC fractions using my own ripened tokens and the balancing is just me giving up and taking control of BTC fractions as need be to maintain some approximate valuation which I have in the system.

It must be remembered that the source code which performs these operations is open and written to be secure, and part of my decision to use a particular sidechain would be associated with how many eyes had looked things over and their history of non-failure.  Even the system cannot, say, ripen my tokens (unless someone slips some evil code in.)  This is not unlike the methodology which protects Bitcoin proper users.


Yeah, the token thing occurred to me as well but seems quite complex as they also need to be uniquely and verifiably paired to bitcoins. Sorry for getting so far off topic.
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