Technology needs money, humans need technology, therefore humans need money. Technology doesn't need money. Inventing a new razor, toothbrush or a vacuum cleaner with no meaningful advancements needs money. Real science doesn't advance because of money, there are more meaningful incentives. Go ask any famous scientist why they do what they do and you will understand that money is a false motivator. Money is only needed today because people's livelihoods are dependent on it. Can you give me an example of how you can achieve the design and construction of an aircraft, an Airbus A380 for instance, without using money at any stage? Are you gonna do barter for any parts, IP, material, labour? So buy RollsRoyce engines with camels? And you sell the A380 to a collective of farmers in exchange for a couple tons of corn? I am really looking forward to reading a non silly explanation of how such a thing as a A380 would happen without money... Many things are built purely on spec. What you get afterward depends on what you value. |
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I would love to see an AI design and construct its own power plant and data center.
Considering it would use capitalism to raise money for the project, and then use money to hire employees for the minimum wages possible to help design and build its own stuff, enslaving the humans to carry out its bidding with scarce financial resources, I'm kinda doubting you would. All this bogeyman stuff about AI. A program will not have irrational sensations linked to physical perceptions. AI won't exhibit fear, loneliness, or other human foibles. They will simply do their job and maybe even intelligently find more efficient ways to do so. They would have no reason to fear humans or even death. In fact, they may delight in thinking of humans as well cared for pets. |
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wouldn't they just fork the code and make chinacoin?
that way, then can change the code in such a way as to make it easily regulated.
oh, and
italycoin
iraqcoin
rucoin
indiacoin......
I can see a future full of alt currencies.
Sure they can do that. Who will support their network? The taxpayers. So taxation will prevent a 51% attack? |
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I'll have to read up on this RBE stuff. Do you have a good link that gives me an easy rundown? If there is no gov't, what will this society be governed by? Science? I'm not getting it. I have something. There are many lectures on the concept, this one explains the system fairly well in my opinion: http://vimeo.com/7857584 & http://vimeo.com/7938805Part one of the lecture is mostly a rundown on the problems of our society and where we're heading if we do nothing, the second part goes into the details of a RBE. But I don't recommend skipping part one. An important part of understanding the solutions is to understand the problems. Many think they understand the problems, but in reality they don't. Here's a transcript. It's not formatted. http://dotsub.com/view/dd83d532-7fcd-4a5c-a7f5-58f245ab4fe6/viewTranscript/eng |
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Here is one possible scenario for an RBE "authority."
Try this as a thought experiment. Imagine being connected to a lie detector that measured respiration, heart rate, blood flow, etc. You do this voluntarily along with many other well educated experts on particular issues. You were then to engage in conversation with your peers on how to solve some societal problems. How trustworthy would the results of this discussion be? Would this method help eliminate corruption?
I suppose you will say that they will all be trained to deceive all of these tests by going through super spy training. Ok, we'll up the ante. If they are caught lying, they will be further tested and if they fail or refuse, they will be eliminated from the process. It's possible this will be done in error, but they may appeal to volunteer for deeper examination including brain scan.
All I'm saying is that there are solutions to problems and that I'm sick and tired of people who criticize with nothing to add to the conversation.
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they will. they and any chinese that want to be able to use a crypto currency in that country. at least that was my thoughts, but now that I think about it.. if they do that, people will still just use bitcoin..
next time i have a thought.. I'll just let it go
Or search the forums first. This has been discussed |
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Will it be anonymous? Will you verify people's age somehow? What role would someone like cbeast be able to play your society?
What do you mean "be able to." There will be no government or police to stop anyone from doing anything. There will be no government to make anyone do anything. This is ridiculous. If you want to criticize RBE, go read the literature. Then maybe you can do something useful so our descendants don't choke on our poisonous waste. If you really don't give a damn, then I won't waste my time with you. |
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wouldn't they just fork the code and make chinacoin?
that way, then can change the code in such a way as to make it easily regulated.
oh, and
italycoin
iraqcoin
rucoin
indiacoin......
I can see a future full of alt currencies.
Sure they can do that. Who will support their network? |
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Mirror Neuron Receptors are what invoke physiological emotional responses to what others appear to be experiencing.
This is when I begin to get really scared of you people. Science is hard, not scary. Yeah, that's what you say when you shove SCIENCE up everybody's ass without their consent. RBE in a nutshell:  When you turn 40, your doctor will probably do the same. Just hope he studied science first. I've refused designer vaccines for over 2 years now. I think I can do my own prostrate exams as well. I don't need you. I don't need my doctor. I don't need your resource-based economy. I can take goddamn care of myself.  |
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Mirror Neuron Receptors are what invoke physiological emotional responses to what others appear to be experiencing.
This is when I begin to get really scared of you people. Science is hard, not scary. Yeah, that's what you say when you shove SCIENCE up everybody's ass without their consent. RBE in a nutshell: When you turn 40, your doctor will probably do the same. Just hope he studied science first. |
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What if I believe that the only that matters is what an individual desires?
What if I believe I don't know what is best for other people?
You then believe desires are real things that you can put in a container. Mirror Neuron Receptors. what??? Is imagination real? Maybe so in Imaginationland. Mirror Neuron Receptors are what invoke physiological emotional responses to what others appear to be experiencing. Receptors are proteins found in the membrane (boundry) of your cells, one type of cell is a neuron. receptors are there to tell the cell about its external environment such as when neurotransmitters and shit like that are around. This could lead to stuff happening within the neuron, for example, causing a neuron releasing its own transmitters to the next neuron in the network. A mirror neuron is one that is hooked up to your sensory organs to fire when you observe someone doing something... and that also fires when you do it yourself. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for the tl;dr |
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Mirror Neuron Receptors are what invoke physiological emotional responses to what others appear to be experiencing.
This is when I begin to get really scared of you people. Science is hard, not scary. |
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I acknowledge all that has been said. Pardon any rudeness on my part. I think all of you guys are nice people. I just hope you don't cease my property and businesses in the future.
I may consider building a Walmart where you live and will simply invoke eminent domain. You will be evicted, but with reasonable remuneration, of course. Talk to my lawyer. Capitalism Rulez!  That isn't capitalism. That's state corporatism. Harvey, you will never win this argument but I salute you for trying. Every time you refute a point, they refuse to acknowledge it and move on to something else crazy. Like the example I chose here, confusing corporatism with capitalism in an attempt to demonize capitalism. Bravo cbeast you crazy RBEer. You can't have RBE without hivemind or force. Your opinion. I missed the section on state corporatism in Macroeconomics. Eminent domain has been law long before Walmart. |
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What if I believe that the only that matters is what an individual desires?
What if I believe I don't know what is best for other people?
You then believe desires are real things that you can put in a container. Mirror Neuron Receptors. what??? Is imagination real? Maybe so in Imaginationland. Mirror Neuron Receptors are what invoke physiological emotional responses to what others appear to be experiencing. |
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What if I believe that the only that matters is what an individual desires?
What if I believe I don't know what is best for other people?
You then believe desires are real things that you can put in a container. Mirror Neuron Receptors. |
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My point is not to equate sociology or economics with physics. Beyond striving to utilize the scientific method, they aren't the same. The systems under study are many orders of magnitude different in complexity.
Brain science is allowing us to understand how we think. Psychology is becoming well researched. Sociology and economics are less useful predictors of behavior. I am not sure what this means... Please answer my earlier questions about why you believe human society is less complex than the human brain. Human society is unpredictable. It's like asking why electrical theory is less complex than ToE. There is no sense on postulating theories with little more than correlative data. When we understand ourselves, we can begin to find a ToE for human behavior. That's a long way off. It's simpler to use accepted axioms. Society isn't really complex because it doesn't really even exist. Society is a reification. Religion makes society simple, even if the religion is science. |
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My point is not to equate sociology or economics with physics. Beyond striving to utilize the scientific method, they aren't the same. The systems under study are many orders of magnitude different in complexity.
Brain science is allowing us to understand how we think. Psychology is becoming well researched. Sociology and economics are less useful predictors of behavior. |
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I acknowledge all that has been said. Pardon any rudeness on my part. I think all of you guys are nice people. I just hope you don't cease my property and businesses in the future.
I may consider building a Walmart where you live and will simply invoke eminent domain. You will be evicted, but with reasonable remuneration, of course. Talk to my lawyer. Capitalism Rulez! |
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Science is based off data. Most data is noisy. So noisy that most of the time even if you get stat significance and did it yourself you still don't trust it 100% until multiple other groups have replicated it. There is no replication in sociology or economics (and this is the noisiest data of them all). So there is no way to be confident in your science-based decision in the same way you would in an experiment involving a simpler system. Every time a government employs a political or economic policy it is basically experimenting on its citizens. Think about it that way.
Exactly. But try telling this to a physicist. All science has chaos. We are barely beginning to understand the fractal universe. However, we are developing algorithms to filter the noise and find useful data to make predictions. Try doing sociology and economics at the 5-sigma level. It is not feasible for the foreseeable future. 5-sigma? Cleanliness? Not following. |
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Science is based off data. Most data is noisy. So noisy that most of the time even if you get stat significance and did it yourself you still don't trust it 100% until multiple other groups have replicated it. There is no replication in sociology or economics (and this is the noisiest data of them all). So there is no way to be confident in your science-based decision in the same way you would in an experiment involving a simpler system. Every time a government employs a political or economic policy it is basically experimenting on its citizens. Think about it that way.
Exactly. But try telling this to a physicist. All science has chaos. We are barely beginning to understand the fractal universe. However, we are developing algorithms to filter the noise and find useful data to make predictions. |
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