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641  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "Religion is always in the control business..." on: December 10, 2011, 06:42:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LkaH3hEmV3M

From a priest:

"I don't think hell exists... It's part of a control tactic..."

"The church doesn't like the people to grow up because you can't control grown-ups. That's why we talk about being 'born again': When you are born-again, you are still a child. People don't need to be born-again. They need to grow-up; they need to accept responsibility for themselves and the world."

I haven't heard more truth from a title that usually evokes lies.

God 2.0 (New Age) + Chick Tract's anti-religion stance = Christianity 2.0?
642  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If government is the answer... on: December 10, 2011, 06:37:32 AM
1. That isn't slavery.
2. Yes. Chain of Sand vs Chain of Iron and all that
3. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The Union and Confederacy were not united over the issue of states' rights (to have slaves). To some the civil war was the fulfillment of the Constitution.


Every part of the Constitution stands under its bretheren. The Federal government acted out of its allotted powers in every significant action taken in the Civil War. The actions made by the Lincoln Administration were the most unconstitutional in history. The state's powers are not limited under the constitution despite out-of-line court precedents. Only the federal government is limited by it. That's how it was authored. That is the intent of its message.

The state's are supposed to be sovereign entities.

1. Not everyone believes that the federal government expanding its powers is unconstitutional. The writers of the constitution knew that they could not come up with EVERY power the federal government should have.
2. The Constitution limits the powers of both the federal and state governments, by giving certain powers to the federal government and certain powers and rights to the citizens which cannot be taken away without due process of law.
3. I do not agree that the Constitution was only created to limit that power of the Federal Government.
643  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If government is the answer... on: December 10, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
Abraham Lincoln was an enemy because he wanted to eliminate state sovereignty and centralize all people under one rule, which works against the "greater good". Different cultures want different things. Enslaving all people on one region, continent or plant is not the solution. It makes things inflexible and inefficient. It causes disorder and conflict among different cultures. It only causes more war. Some populaces are going to do things you don't like including slavery: you can't change that. What you can do is move to states or countries that support your morals. You can also only do business with people who don't use slave labor. It's very simple.

1. they did change it
2. for some people living with a group of people who share the same morals isn't enough
3. some people believe that the civil war was necessary to form a "more perfect union"

What do you mean by "enslaving all people on one X"? Are you talking about how Russia treated post WWII germany or like how the Union treated post Civil War south?

Or do you mean the sense of one human being the property of another?

Slavery in the sense of compromising the sovereignty of all the individual states. A centralized state is only a single point of failure. There's nothing perfect about it.

1. That isn't slavery.
2. Yes. Chain of Sand vs Chain of Iron and all that
3. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

The Union and Confederacy were not united over the issue of states' rights (to have slaves). To some the civil war was the fulfillment of the Constitution.


644  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stages of Bitcoin acceptance on: December 10, 2011, 05:32:03 AM
Stage 0: Trading Bitcoin as a commodity. Speculation will drive value to one or two orders of magnitude.
Stage 1: Social Networking will adapt Bitcoin for micropayments. Speculation will drive value to one or two orders of magnitude.
Stage 2: Commerce will embrace Bitcoin as an overlay mechanism, like Paypal. Speculation will drive value one or two orders of magnitude.
Stage 3: Bitcoin will replace local banking for businesses enjoying low fees. Local legislatures will officially recognize Bitcoin. Speculation peaks.
Stage 4: Nations will begin to decouple currencies and adapt Bitcoin.
Stage 5: Nations and corporations will merge as they lose their competitive advantage over decentralized enterprises.
Stage 6: National borders will dissolve as decentralized enterprises evolve into AI driven civilization planning.
Stage 7: Bitcoin will evolve into a scientific-method based algorithm using Asimovian principles.
Stage 8: Ebil robot zombies will eat our brains and conquer the Universe.

I suppose as certain businesses go under and other merge, a drop in value could be expected. Also, the usual speculation ups and downs.

0-3 Plausible
4-5 Only if
6-8 Huh lolk
645  Other / Politics & Society / Re: So, there's a race of people... on: December 10, 2011, 05:23:13 AM
So, there's a race of people and they produce the most undesirable offspring. They are anti-government and hate the current regime and it's due to a certain gene that effects how one perceives humanity. On the congressional, senatorial and presidential ballets are candidates that will support eugenics and forced contraception of these people that "threaten society". You are proud of the current government and believe it will put humanity in the right direction but if these people keep reproducing, they will eventually stop everything you stand for. You believe these people's views will hurt humanity as a whole.

Do you vote for forced eugenics on these people?

No, you deport them. And yes, I know Hitler tried.
646  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If government is the answer... on: December 10, 2011, 05:21:34 AM
Abraham Lincoln was an enemy because he wanted to eliminate state sovereignty and centralize all people under one rule, which works against the "greater good". Different cultures want different things. Enslaving all people on one region, continent or plant is not the solution. It makes things inflexible and inefficient. It causes disorder and conflict among different cultures. It only causes more war. Some populaces are going to do things you don't like including slavery: you can't change that. What you can do is move to states or countries that support your morals. You can also only do business with people who don't use slave labor. It's very simple.

1. they did change it
2. for some people living with a group of people who share the same morals isn't enough
3. some people believe that the civil war was necessary to form a "more perfect union"

What do you mean by "enslaving all people on one X"? Are you talking about how Russia treated post WWII germany or like how the Union treated post Civil War south?

Or do you mean the sense of one human being the property of another?
647  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Diary of a Bitcoin Virgin on: December 09, 2011, 10:01:50 PM
I thought you could just walk into a Chase bank and send money to Mt.Gox? That seems like a much faster way to get some bitcoins than using dwolla?

Chase banks aren't in every state. I guess if you have a Chase bank in your state you'd never bother researching what states they are in though.
648  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [Announce] SimpleCoin.com - Buying Bitcoins Became Simple Today on: December 09, 2011, 07:13:55 PM
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[Announce] SimpleCoin.com - Buying Bitcoins Became Simple Today

Note: I don't know how it was simple before us, but I'm pretty sure DialCoin made buying bitcoins even simpler than Simplecoin, and it was released beforehand. Might want to pick a more accurate slogan.

Buying Bitcoins Became Simple In America Today
649  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [Announce] SimpleCoin.com - Buying Bitcoins Became Simple Today on: December 09, 2011, 07:00:15 PM
Truthfully, I would loved to be proven wrong and have everything I done stuck up my ass. If that be the case, I'll spread my cheeks for entry.

Thank you for that lovely mental image. Let me get the eye soap.
650  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin the enabler - Truly Autonomous Software Agents roaming the net on: December 09, 2011, 06:39:55 PM
Humanity's only hope is to take down skynet with PayPal chargebacks.
Humanity is already doomed. We must evolve to work along side machines, rather than remain stagnant while the tables turn.
651  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: RFC -- Distributed Bitcoin Stock Exchange (DBSE) on: December 09, 2011, 09:54:17 AM
3. Public and private keys

Public and private key pairs would be used to identify who owns TickerSymbols ("TS"), Shares, and TradeTokens.  The public key (technically a shorter address derived from it) will be known as a "DBSE Address", and the corresponding private key will be the "DBSE PrivKey".  Any of the three items--TickerSymbols, Shares, or TradeTokens-- can be associated to a given DBSE PrivKey, and are thus owned by the owner of that private key.

If needed, three separate types of public/private key pairs could be created with distinct looking public addresses: One for ticker symbols, one for shares/assets, and one for TradeTokens. TBD.

I really like the sound of this, one of the things that currently bother me about GLBSE is actually proving that I own particular shares. Having a public address would make this a lot easier.

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7. Motions and voting

Anyone who owns at least one share of a given stock (TickerSymbol) can create a Motion concerning it, and all other stockholders can vote on it.  When submitting the Motion, an expiry date from 1 to 90 days is given.  When the expiry date is reached, the Motion is defined by the protocol as having passed if (a) at least 50% of stockholders have voted and at least 2/3 of votes are for the motion, OR (b) at least 1/3 of stockholders have voted and at least 3/4 of votes are for the motion.  These percentages can be discussed, but should then be hard-coded into the protocol.

Would there be good faith deposits for issuing motions? I wouldn't like seeing a bunch of spam motions from someone who owns one share in an asset.

Perhaps instead of a deposit, only allow a non-issuer (someone who issues an asset may need to have multiple up for the asset they put out) to have one motion up per asset at a time.
652  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: December 09, 2011, 12:39:30 AM
boonies4u, GLBSE V.2 is going to be made available by the end of this year, it's going to be a huge improvement over what we have.

At the same time work is also being done on the current GLBSE web interface, it looks like we will have a facelift, functionality and usability improvements in about 2 weeks.

On Saturday live websocket streaming of GLBSE is going to begin.

I'm hoping for a resurection of GLBSE this years end.

Does anyone know whats happening with the Bitcoin Police (and can they be contacted for the DOX on tawsix?)and noagendamarket?

I've not been on the IRC channels since coming back. Oh by the way I'm in the UK now.

Nefario.

Will there be a way for people to easily prove how many shares of a given asset they hold?  While having discussions in public can be useful, I would like to start having them with other shareholders.
653  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Idea: Specialty HomeBrew beverages for bitcoin on: December 08, 2011, 06:25:36 AM
Also, covering up the high ABV with sourness plus: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Synsepalum_dulcificum is a good idea. I dunno if you can keep the protein folded for shipping and all that though, might be best to sell it with something that drops into the bottle as you twist open the cap.

Do you mean having a tablet packaged separately which the user adds to the drink when opened, or some sort of contraption suspending the tablet under the cap so it falls when the cap is removed? For the latter, I wouldn't count on the bottles remaining upright while in shipment, I don't think it would work, but I could be wrong.

I was vaguely imagining a mechanism that released or broke open a small tablet upon twisting off the cap.

Couldn't you do it like a Ramune bottle? You would have the tablet, pill, powder, etc. (w/e form it is in) above the marble until you use the plunger to release both the substance and the marble into the drink.

If designed right, this could be used for any kind of drink that warranted something added to it right before drinking.

654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin savings plan on: December 08, 2011, 06:05:30 AM
This is a conundrum. Do I buy a lot of Bitcoin or do I help develop the Bitcoin economy by investing money in real world applications? The former could have me ending up with a lot of worthless Bitcoin, the latter could make my few Bitcoin worth a lot.

You buy a lot of BTC then invest them in real world applications for Bitcoin.

You won't be the one having to sell them for fiat, so you'll feel good about yourself. One of the best current applications for Bitcoin is investing.
655  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Why is the price going up? on: December 08, 2011, 05:56:27 AM
$3.00 seems to be a magic number.

I could probably grab a random novel and find the number 3 recurring throughout. You don't have to read the market to know that 3 is a magic number. Tongue
656  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Mtgox auto-signs with a 437522 BTC wallet?!? on: December 08, 2011, 05:54:35 AM
So, let's say 470,000+ BTC go MIA forever...should result in a nice little price increase.

On a related note, how do we know that 1,000,000 BTC haven't already been lost forever?  Is there a way to know exactly how many BTC are in circulation and not just how many have been created?

1) Why do we need to know this information?

2) The market determines the value based on buying and selling.  Whether or not there are 1,000,000 BTC lost or not doesn't matter, b/c the supply & demand of the market will still even out.

This the same thing as stating that the federal reserve doesn't know how many US dollar bills have been lost.  It has an effect, but is evened out by captial markets anyway.

We probably will never notice that X coins were lost. (except in the case of coins sent to null addresses) They never truly leave the network. I suppose you could check block explorer to find addresses that have been inactive for a long time. There's no way you could no for sure if they could spring back up though.

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To the extent someone would "find" a bunch of coins and choose to sell them, it would hurt the price, but the market would even out.

Well, it wouldn't take someone to find old coins to decide and dump the ones they did have.

What do you mean by "The market would even out"? Are you saying that it would return to the previous trading price? Or that the prices would eventually stabilize at some amount? If it's the latter, that much is obvious.
657  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - The Bitcoin Mining Company on: December 08, 2011, 12:40:06 AM
This is the appropriate action to take, has his identity been publicly outed yet?

I looked into his identity once before, but I have long since forgot it.  I've given up on working with Tawsix, since his repeated actions point towards assets never being purchased. I believe it is time to release the dox if anyone has it.

Sorry about this Nefario, I haven't given up on the GLBSE.
658  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Accepting Bitcoins at the swap meet. on: December 07, 2011, 11:46:11 PM
The explanation I got from someone was that there were a lot of NPR listeners there. I guess NPR listeners know Bitcoin.

Yeah interviews apparently pop up there every now and then.
659  Economy / Economics / Re: Everyone's right, enough gloom and doom... on: December 07, 2011, 07:34:43 PM
As a newbie, however, I have to wonder out loud why a community that trumpets the independence from "central authorities" as one of the merits of its alternate currency is obsessed with chaining it back together with some form of government-backed currency.  I mean, everyone is worried about its (declining) exchange rate with the US dollar.  Or when I look around, any kind of services or goods that can be bought with bitcoins is always converted to its US$ equivalent.  Unless I misread the part that reads:
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money is any object, or any sort of record, accepted as payment for goods and services and repayment of debts in a given country or socio-economic context
Why aren't many more services and goods being offered without having to reach for the calculator and plugging in the current USD:BTC exchange rate?

My business doesn't care about the rate.

Slight exaggeration maybe, but we've never changed 'prices'.

There isn't really any need for you to, unless bitcoins suddenly jump in price to the point that .001 bitcoins is too much to bet on a single hand of poker.

If you made a chip worth .0001 bitcoins, you would have to multiply everyone's chips by 10 to ensure that they didn't lose value.
660  Economy / Economics / Re: Question for deflation advocates on: December 07, 2011, 07:26:13 PM
Alright, since you are a outspoken limited supply critic which level of inflation would you prefer?

Constant inflation - The currency base rises exponentially.
like 1% for one year, 2.01% for two years, 5.1% for 5 years and 64% for 50 years

Constant currency base growth - Inflation decays logarithmically.
100 % for the first year, 50% for the second, 33% for the third.

Logarithmic currency base growth - Inflation decays hyperbolically (I would prefer this one)
100% for the first year,  58% for the second, 26% for the third, 4% for the tenth and 0.2% for the 100th.

Bitcoin uses both asymptotic currency base growth and inflation, which is by definition not really deflationary.

Bitcoin inflates at a predictable rate, halving every... 4 years I believe the rough estimate is. So while, yes, it is inflationary... How it inflates is based on how Bitcoin works and not based on how much money a government wants to give itself.

The fact that Bitcoin can still hold value while the number in existence increases steadily shows that it is doing well.
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