I lost all my coins at http://www.pickaxe.cc/digi/public/index.php?page=account&action=transactionsthe adresss that the coins were sent to is the following D9t7ScDH6oBckebBuSjEcwZgK8QTEcZ1Dt (the scammer adress)
I always use a different password for every pool! so I tend to think it's their fault at this Please if anyone can help limite my loses, it would be nice if you can send me some dgb coins on my adress : DDPQGLprUX81KBRF4a9QWXSfi5496D1Wix or just help the guys who lost their coins get them back thank you  |
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if someone intends to fork the coin weekly, do it on another coin that is not being actively traded.
If catcoin is forked unilaterally in this fashion, even if it is unofficial, Hozer et al. are essentially rolling the dice with the real-world money everyone has invested in catcoin.
How can we convince people that catcoin is where they should be mining, and where they should hold their money when the community is fractious, and a small, vocal minority can fork the currency at any time?
I don't know if all of us signed up to be part of Hozer's experiment, let alone be paying for his own curiosity-driven research. However, here we are.
He is entirely doing his own thing, which happens a lot in this thread. It's not helping Catcoin one iota. Consensus, not division is needed. if someone intends to fork the coin weekly, do it on another coin that is not being actively traded.
If catcoin is forked unilaterally in this fashion, even if it is unofficial, Hozer et al. are essentially rolling the dice with the real-world money everyone has invested in catcoin.
How can we convince people that catcoin is where they should be mining, and where they should hold their money when the community is fractious, and a small, vocal minority can fork the currency at any time?
I don't know if all of us signed up to be part of Hozer's experiment, let alone be paying for his own curiosity-driven research. However, here we are.
FUCKING THIS. Guys, I'm not sure if you can tell my stress level or not by how I write, but I'm so close to just saying "fuck it", you have no idea. I'm trying to help bring this community together, it's not seeming to do one single bit of good because we've spent all afternoon arguing about hozer. When you guys are ready to start dealing with the real issues with this coin, let me know. This is stressing me out too much right now. Merverick, are you not reading Hozer messages? THIS IS BEYOND EXPERIMENT, he wants to contact Exchanges and miss up with the coin, He is calling for to move on to his fork, he is pushing and advertising his thing as hard as he can, we are not talking experiment here anymore. It's becoming a real issue, and I'm not the (only) one saying so. The testnet is more than enough for testing. |
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Quoting this for the good initiative  If you have many steam keys I would like to suggest you to make a website would be more interessting Coin Payments Coin Vote ResultsOk well here are the coins that we will be adding...
Earthcoin - EAC - 406
incakoin - NKA - 172
Frozencoin - FZ - 130
Xivra - XIV - 99
Catcoin - CAT - 95
Then we have a wildcard/dealer's choice, whatever you want you call it.
Spots - SPT
With the 300 josh accounts, then the 75% of the paid votes, LOT ends up with about 75...
Sorry to the coins that didn't get chosen, we wish them good luck in the next vote.
Thank you to everyone that participated. We actually got in by a hair. Good news. I bet LOT voters would be absolutely pissed right about now  great news hopefully we will join more services |
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Fork?
But most important now is to get community support and not get 2
CATcoins. If Cryptsy delist it, it will be desaster.
What kr105 think about one more fork?
If you implement it only in pool side(not hard fork) it can be that diff on "forked
wersion will be lower than network (how you deal with it?).
If you not going hard fork, there is not need to scare peoples with this thing.
I can do reserch in matlab (P=1-e^-lambda*t, only need to calc lambda from
hashpower and diff(need simple equation) to do research on hashpower stepping
and filtering).
If you gonna hard fork, leave this idea for now, wait comminity reaction.
Hard forks must be organiszed if we have CATcoin alive.
I'm finding community reaction by watching the hashrate. Vote with your hashes. The coin is easily attackable with less than say $150,000 worth of GPU hardware when everyone leaves because difficulty is high, AND p2pool is effectively unusable, leaving you up to the whims of pool operators. Look at http://catcoins.biz/charts/ .. in 18 blocks (20988) jumper(s) will show up, and halfway through (20999) I fork. What happens next is up to you. I'm not going to call it CATcoin anymore if nobody hashes on my fork, I'm going to learn a little, clean up the code, and launch Kittycoin. But I figured I'd do the CAT community a favor first and tell them exactly what's going on and what I'm planning. If you are worried about de-listing, don't. Exchanges are also a single centralized choke point, and stuff like https://github.com/PhantomPhreak/counterpartyd will allow fully distributed exchanges, which is why I included it my release. So if an exchange de-lists, then we just make it so we can all do distributed trades with CAT/LTC/BTC/DOGE directly from our catcoin-qt front-ends. Did I miss something ? I tought we were only discussing, and testing ideas for a possible fork, not a fork in it self and like this, and I refuse that you fork the coin and I'm sure I'm not the only to do so, this is more or less an hostile takeover, and rushing thing out, we need to dicuss things, if anyone passing by decides to fork whatever coin he wants whenever he wants it's going to be a miss, and just kill the coin. Please reconsider again what you are doing, No fork for now, we can discuss and test ideas, but I don't want to see another rushed one sided fork. Great. For now, Hozer's fork is an alternative, if people decide this is the direction they want for catcoin, it's not the official fork, and is unlikely to be unless many people reach consensus and join it. Any coin can have this done to it. Unless it's adopted by the masses, it's irrelevant. How about we reach a consensus on what we're actually going to do and actually execute it. Hozer's fork is not official, and does not represent the board, but it is an alternative. You guys are arguing about a non-issue. Anybody can clone a git repo for any coin and do exactly what hozer is doing, unless it gets major hash rate it's not happening. For now that gives us a valuable test bed, and an opportunity to actually come to a solution as a community and decide what direction we want this coin to go. Currently only etblvu1 has posted alternatives to my knowledge, and frankly short term I'm not sure they're viable, if I see proof to the contrary it may yet get my vote. My 1 block 36 average is still my first choice personally. That choice does not represent the community or board as a whole. What is the best option? What is simple and relatively safe from abuse that solves our current diff issues? I'm looking for more suggestions, or approval of one of the current options. This coin is dead in 10 days if we do nothing, which seems to be the current course of action, because the nethash is dropping with every diff cycle. Lets get a solution adopted and coded, so we can save this coin. We currently have a measly 44 MHash. Our time is ticking, lets get this done. In theory I would have agreed with the first part of your reply, but it isn't the case. But let me begin with the last part of your reply which is wrong: The current hash rate is 0.17 Gh/s (not 44Mh/s) which has been stable for the last 10 days during the 36 high diff blocks and before the profitability switching pools join in and for that the coin is more than safe as it has managed to find an equilibrium point. (or maybe I missed your point?) Now back to the first part, does the fork start at a different diff? probably yes due to the non existant hashrate, which means, that with the new fork having non-existant very low diff it will automatically draw miners to it no one wants to miss a launch and easy mining. (might be wrong here, but please feel free to correct me if I missed something again) Another things is that at 0.17Gh/s, if just 3 to 5 of the biggest catcoin miners decides to switch camp due to an incetivited offer, it will switch the balance from the new fork, I've talked to people who had rigs of 40Mh/s 50 Mhs and even more, so this is another possible scenario, and this can happen despite the majority wanting to remain with the original coin. This is why I thin the consensus Idea on it self is flawed, especially in our case, and I believe we should be extra carefull about things because right now what would be deadly to the coin is not taking some time (as proven in the first part of my reply) but doing a mistake such as fracturing the catcoin community. Good night to all or good day depending on your time zone, it's 7:20 am here and I think it's about time to get a small nap  |
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I think this is a flaw in the bitcoin design, but It wasn't possible to forsee that in 5 years time there will be hundrends of altcryptocurrencies. This flaw didn't affect BTC because it was the only crypto for a long while, and the notion of maximising profit didn't exist because BTC was all you had, as for the situation today is a bit complicated. I still believe the solution would be to remove, the diff jumping issue, and that would be by reducing the maximum variance of diff, I think this is the simplist and easiest way to do things. If this done correctly, there won't an issue of reward per block, because the diff will rise smoothly it will prevent people from switch coin every diff retarget and it will balance out the hashrate it might have it own drawbacks which I don't see, but please feel free to point it out Also keep in mind that with increased diff should result in an increase of the value of coin, (outside the speculation and the fundamental laws of the market aka offre and demande) Now first of all we should decide what to implement, and what not to implement in the fork as a community, from there we can move on to do a vote and if anyone is against something he should present an argumentation to his opinion which might be legitimate and from there. Lets take our time, this process should last at least 2 weeks, one week to dicuss and finalise the fork if the majority agrees to this, and the second week would be to fine tune the code, and at the same time inform all the parteners involved in catcoin such the exchanges, and of course in the meantime this will allow us to spread the word efficiently. Tell me what you want to see. I got into Catcoin because I live with 3 cats, and it seemed like a better long-term-deal than copycatcoin of the week, and better than doing another bogus launch of a new coin. Catcoin is a fork of Litecoin/Bitcoin, and KR105 listened to the community and switched from sha256 to scrypt. I want to see Catcoins worth approximately what it costs own a cat, or about $10,000 each. I want rough consensus and running code. "We reject: kings, presidents and voting.
We believe in: rough consensus and running code."
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moonesamy-consensus-00The code is running, the consensus will be obvious in the hashrates. So you are admiting to want to force a take over here, well at least you are honest about it. You don't want to make another copycoin, for the simple reason, that despite it issues, catcoin is strong brandname with a strong community behind it, so you want to ride on that potentiel. And again you admit this, and again you are honest about it. Now my turn to be honest about this, I don't mind you forking the coin, but what I do mind is doing things unilateraly one sided and without discussing things with other (read the above a descibed a well weighted and decent process to do this), If you are going to thing your way, believe me it will only create tension and will fracture the cat community, the first fork was almost a disaster and right now you are about to repeat the same thing but only worse because I don't know if you are going to even get the back of half the community. Concensus should be made by majority, this is not some sort of imperialism, or the savana, where the strongest rule, As proven by history neither of those system works/worked for humans aka people that thinks for themselves and have their own opinion on things. |
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Fork?
But most important now is to get community support and not get 2
CATcoins. If Cryptsy delist it, it will be desaster.
What kr105 think about one more fork?
If you implement it only in pool side(not hard fork) it can be that diff on "forked
wersion will be lower than network (how you deal with it?).
If you not going hard fork, there is not need to scare peoples with this thing.
I can do reserch in matlab (P=1-e^-lambda*t, only need to calc lambda from
hashpower and diff(need simple equation) to do research on hashpower stepping
and filtering).
If you gonna hard fork, leave this idea for now, wait comminity reaction.
Hard forks must be organiszed if we have CATcoin alive.
I'm finding community reaction by watching the hashrate. Vote with your hashes. The coin is easily attackable with less than say $150,000 worth of GPU hardware when everyone leaves because difficulty is high, AND p2pool is effectively unusable, leaving you up to the whims of pool operators. Look at http://catcoins.biz/charts/ .. in 18 blocks (20988) jumper(s) will show up, and halfway through (20999) I fork. What happens next is up to you. I'm not going to call it CATcoin anymore if nobody hashes on my fork, I'm going to learn a little, clean up the code, and launch Kittycoin. But I figured I'd do the CAT community a favor first and tell them exactly what's going on and what I'm planning. If you are worried about de-listing, don't. Exchanges are also a single centralized choke point, and stuff like https://github.com/PhantomPhreak/counterpartyd will allow fully distributed exchanges, which is why I included it my release. So if an exchange de-lists, then we just make it so we can all do distributed trades with CAT/LTC/BTC/DOGE directly from our catcoin-qt front-ends. Did I miss something ? I tought we were only discussing, and testing ideas for a possible fork, not a fork in it self and like this, and I refuse that you fork the coin and I'm sure I'm not the only to do so, this is more or less an hostile takeover, and rushing thing out, we need to dicuss things, if anyone passing by decides to fork whatever coin he wants whenever he wants it's going to be a miss, and just kill the coin. Please reconsider again what you are doing, No fork for now, we can discuss and test ideas, but I don't want to see another rushed one sided fork. |
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Hello People, I have been revising and editing and enhancing the specifications for a loyalty credit proof-of-concept for the past few hours, and feel it is ready for peer review. These specifications are in pseudocode, so there is no actual code, but the description is specific enough to allow a coder to know exactly what to code. If you have been reading and are interested in a long-term systemic solution to the crazy difficulty oscillation we have been suffering, due to coin jumper profit maximization strategies, and especially if you have coding background with experience in coding and modifying cryptocurrency source code, please review: https://bitbucket.org/dahozer/catcoin/issue/9/early-proof-of-concept-towards-loyalty Thank you for your consideration, Etblvu1 Hey Etblvu1, Appreciate the effort, and the work you've been doing on this, here is my feedback on it : ( I think the concept in it self is simple the way you present it, and i believe on it own can be translated to a code. But here is my take on it, this can be implemented pool side, if in the code there is a way to ballance it so that when the it kicks in, the coins that the hopper won't get goes to loyal miner, and this can be done easly But where I think it will creat an issue, is adding to the blockchain. at what level you want to implement it ? how? what are the possible effect on the code, blockchain and stuff like that, the issue here, is that we are in a decentralized system, the system it self is not supposed to know that kind of informations about the miner in it self, or it would be tracking a miner in the long term and then add function + or - reward according to diff x time loged in.......... regards New Catbox (testing) catcoin release https://bitbucket.org/dahozer/catcoinhttps://bitbucket.org/dahozer/catcoin/downloads/catcoin-0.8.8.tar.gzCaturday, Jan 11: Silly_Sheeple release: difficulty adjustment every block, based on last 36 block. Increase COINBASE_MATURITY. Play with the coinhoppers before eating them ------------ This is my catbox release of Catcoin, that has been relicensed under the AGPLv3, and includes p2pool (tested) as well as counterpartd(not tested) in the same build tree. this version DOES A HARDFORK at block 20999 to adjust the difficulty every block, based on the last 36 block average. While this will not fix all the issues with coinhoppers, it's very much like a cat playing with an insect (in our case, a coinhopper) before eating it. And since Cats are not herd animals, I'm going my own damn way and releasing, and it will either be a good test with the hash I bring, or some of you cats might decide to come along and join the p2pool(s) (kittyco.in/p2pool) in search of tasty coinhoppers. Expect another release and hardfork next Caturday. Cats are agile animals, and this is Agile cryptocoin development. If you want a tested coin, go back to bitcoin, or finance my fiat expenses so I can test this properly on the -testnet. Thanks for your hardwork, I'll try it when I have some time and give you a feedback on it, although before I do, I think one of the coins used this before (diff changing each block) and I think it created some issues, so I believe we should be carefull and try to mesure the drawbacks for such a change. Also do you think it's possible to instead of changing the diff retarget, to change the factor maximum factor of diff change, if I'm not mistaking it is x4 right now, how about setting to something like x1.5 with this the coin won't have big jumps, but instead a smooth and serious diff change, so once the profitability is high, and the coin get more miners, once the diff, the coin will remain profitable and interessting, some might leave but some will remain and vice versa, till the coin find on it own an interessting equilibrium |
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Installing new card drivers now. Tense moment as I see whether my PSU can handle two high powered cards.  I'm trying to get a new gpu aswell to help with the hash rate, don't know if I should get a 7950, a 280x or a 290, kind of tight on money right now and although it's an investiment with return so I don't know how should I handle this .. Well, I have it working alongside my GTX 670 now. The R9 280x provides nice bang for buck, but it runs pretty hot. It's fine though, as they can take the heat, but when it gets to max temp I drop from 700mhash/sec to 635mhash/sec, so realistically to get max performance I'll need to watercool it. It's a bit annoying that I bought the best performing/cheapest R9 280x that I could find, because I'll have to buy a Universal GPU waterblock to cool it now, as it's a non-reference board. Oh well. It'll still be way better than the stock air cooler. A decent 240 radiator should keep it running at 700mhash. You didn't get a model with custom cooling, I'm holding so far to get a 290 with custom cooler, at a reasonable price @Loader yes I know, and there is a huge discount right now on them I can get one for 190sh€ and I'm considering this option the most, as I need to build another pc around the card, my current PC has already two cards, I will one week because making a final decision and see how my finances will go on, I've been using my desktop all this time on Cat despite not being profitable in a couple of occasions, and want to give another little push to it another 1Mh/s it's not much but definitly better than nothing Watercooling is always better than air. I could get an after-market air cooler, but it wouldn't stop my card from throttling. This card is just an intermediary step for me until I have enough BTC to build a dedicated mining rig. of course watercooling is a better solution what I was saying is that if you aren't planing to watercool, why not go with a model with better cooling and pcb? I think that would have been better, but again there is availability issues, and prices so I understand it's hard to get one of those^^ |
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Installing new card drivers now. Tense moment as I see whether my PSU can handle two high powered cards. I'm trying to get a new gpu aswell to help with the hash rate, don't know if I should get a 7950, a 280x or a 290, kind of tight on money right now and although it's an investiment with return so I don't know how should I handle this .. Well, I have it working alongside my GTX 670 now. The R9 280x provides nice bang for buck, but it runs pretty hot. It's fine though, as they can take the heat, but when it gets to max temp I drop from 700mhash/sec to 635mhash/sec, so realistically to get max performance I'll need to watercool it. It's a bit annoying that I bought the best performing/cheapest R9 280x that I could find, because I'll have to buy a Universal GPU waterblock to cool it now, as it's a non-reference board. Oh well. It'll still be way better than the stock air cooler. A decent 240 radiator should keep it running at 700mhash. The water cooling should pay itself off over time via increased lifespan and possible overclocking, a little risky for long term use though. One of the cheapest 280X I have found and it is the MSI gaming version and can hash at 700-720 normal (no OC) £240 Ouch weird how UK Price is higher than French one |
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Installing new card drivers now. Tense moment as I see whether my PSU can handle two high powered cards. I'm trying to get a new gpu aswell to help with the hash rate, don't know if I should get a 7950, a 280x or a 290, kind of tight on money right now and although it's an investiment with return so I don't know how should I handle this .. Well, I have it working alongside my GTX 670 now. The R9 280x provides nice bang for buck, but it runs pretty hot. It's fine though, as they can take the heat, but when it gets to max temp I drop from 700mhash/sec to 635mhash/sec, so realistically to get max performance I'll need to watercool it. It's a bit annoying that I bought the best performing/cheapest R9 280x that I could find, because I'll have to buy a Universal GPU waterblock to cool it now, as it's a non-reference board. Oh well. It'll still be way better than the stock air cooler. A decent 240 radiator should keep it running at 700mhash. You didn't get a model with custom cooling, I'm holding so far to get a 290 with custom cooler, at a reasonable price @Loader yes I know, and there is a huge discount right now on them I can get one for 190sh€ and I'm considering this option the most, as I need to build another pc around the card, my current PC has already two cards, I will one week because making a final decision and see how my finances will go on, I've been using my desktop all this time on Cat despite not being profitable in a couple of occasions, and want to give another little push to it another 1Mh/s it's not much but definitly better than nothing |
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Installing new card drivers now. Tense moment as I see whether my PSU can handle two high powered cards. I'm trying to get a new gpu aswell to help with the hash rate, don't know if I should get a 7950, a 280x or a 290, kind of tight on money right now and although it's an investiment with return so I don't know how should I handle this .. |
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Sounds interresting but I have a question :
The 2 blocks you are going to premine are they 50 coin each?
because I've seen some other coins where they say they'll premine 5 coins, but the set up a block with like 100k coins or 1million coin or whatever
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In other news, we're currently at difficulty 16.2 and back at top position on Coinwarz, yet again..
I'm starting to think we'd be better off simply not being listed there.
I think it's a good thing to be listed there because it give us the possibility to have new individual miners, on the other hand profitability based pools has their own code (in an independant way to coinwarz) and even if the coin is delisted from there the coin will still be mined by these pools |
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Again I apology for my rude langage and if I had offended anyone, but I coudn't help my self when it came to this coin reputation and lack of respect to other community members. It's hard to build an ecosystem, (and ours is in it's still in it infancy) but it's pretty easy to destroy everything.
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LeoC, I'm getting tired of your attitude, stop acting like an immature prick. In one reply you say you want to see the coin grow, and you are supporting it by any mean, on the other one you say you are done with this coin and start flaming it, which is it ? You are free to have your opinion and I respect that, but from there to start threads and start insulting others, bringing bad publicity to the coin on who some invested their money in to is problematic. If you want to drop the coin, go ahead sell you coins and GTFO, I'm sure many would be happy to buy cheap catcoin. It's not because your pump and dump plan failed and you can't manipulate the price as much anymore that you have the right to start a drama. Or if you have bipolarity or schizopheriny issues please go see a Psy.
To the others I'm sorry for the rude langage, but I coudn't help not answering to such attitude
LOL what? I can react whichever way I want. I started the threads primarily to promote CAT, and then I link those same threads in this one in the hopes to get some help, but guess what, no one fucking comes. Then the shit talkers show up, I ask for some support here, and again no one comes, so I then give up. This is like the movie 300, where everyone is supposed to stand their ground and help CAT during this tough time, but instead, its just me and maybe one other person. You can't blame me for having a lapse of faith when I see little to no support BOTH here on the forums, and on the marketplace as well. I'm on both fronts, your broke useless ass is on neither. I gave the dev 200 coins, guess what, not even a thanks. Do you see a cat wallet in my sig? Nope I don't beg like you. Don't get on my bad side, because I will tear this coin a new one, never come back and leave you guys with the pieces to pick up. My limits with this community are nearing its end. Bunch of ungrateful assholes with nothing to contribute and only bash the one person putting any money into it. I haven't PERMANENTLY sold any CAT. I've been accumulating, but now I'm thinking of just clearing out. No one came? did you even read your own thread? and yes this is "300" there is 454545532121221 coins out there, and lot would want their coin to be on top, so I don't understand what are you smoking, or are you this naive ?, if you want to promote something, you do it with courtoisy, with arguments, not with fights and insults, and then after a few comment turn the table down. And your langage and way of speech and the way you act is pretty familliar to some one else that didn't comment here in a while. But like I said before, if you are going to act like this please GTFO, DO IT!, don't tell me you are going to do it. Can't pump and dump anymore that's why you are this mad ? You've been speculating around this coin for quite a while now for your own benifice (you've even admited this!) and you call other people ungratefull ? does this make any sense? |
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LeoC, I'm getting tired of your attitude, stop acting like an immature prick. In one reply you say you want to see the coin grow, and you are supporting it by any mean, on the other one you say you are done with this coin and start flaming it, which is it ? You are free to have your opinion and I respect that, but from there to start threads and start insulting others, bringing bad publicity to the coin on who some invested their money in to is problematic. If you want to drop the coin, go ahead sell you coins and GTFO, I'm sure many would be happy to buy cheap catcoin. It's not because your pump and dump plan failed and you can't manipulate the price as much anymore that you have the right to start a drama. Or if you have bipolarity or schizopheriny issues please go see a Psy.
To the others I'm sorry for the rude langage, but I coudn't help not answering to such attitude
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Catcoin is an exact copy of Bitcoin with scrypt algo. All other coins provide something different.
1. Nxt -> 2. generation
2. Doge -> Meme + total random blocks
4. EAC -> good markting, fast transactions, different distribution model
5. Quark -> different distribution model and 6 differenent hashes
What offers CAT?
All of them scrypt based with similar model of use they have nothing original (except Quark) I don't see how can you say such a thing, all of what you mentioned about Doge/EAC can be said about CAT. What hit cat in the last few days and how it managed to survice and remain steady proves that this coin has a solide user base, but this user base need to grow to give the coin more opportunities. |
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Considering that there is no reason whatsoever to use catcoin it's actually severely overvalued.
Is this the case for every single cryptocurrency except BTC, LTC and Maybe PTS ? Cat is only 2 weeks old, BTC is 6years maybe? ltc 2-3 years old? real value comes with time but for now, you can mine them for a profit, you can also use cat to have fun in the virtual casinos/dice and what's not that accept the coin |
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 The last picture during the interview before the take off, please cheer for catstronaute! and support his journey! |
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Great Idea, lets do this (depending on the location people might not get the same video at the top of the ranking) maybe posting a list of said videos? but yeah lets this Everyone please upvote catcoin messages on those videos |
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