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1  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CLOAK]CloakCoin Private,Secure,Untraceable & Decentralized Cryptocurrency on: January 14, 2017, 10:23:05 PM
Buying on 20k  Wink
2  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ❄ CircuitCoin ❄ CIRC ❄ sha256d ❄ on: December 15, 2016, 01:08:41 PM
any node for circ?
3  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs to change to avoid the inevitable environmentalist backlash on: October 03, 2014, 07:25:17 AM
In the long run Bitcoin mining always moves toward zero profitability. In the state of dynamic equilibrium, the cost of mining would be more or less equal to the value of the mined coins (block reward and fees). Hence there is an upper limit to how much electricity mining will consume. As the block reward halves, the power usage also halves over the long term (assuming a steady price). As the value of BTC increases, the power usage will also increase. This upper limit is independent of the number of users or the number of transactions per second, at least while fees are a small fraction of the block reward.

Exactly,  Very well written.
4  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs to change to avoid the inevitable environmentalist backlash on: October 03, 2014, 07:23:03 AM
No, it is not possible to transform heat into other forms of energy. Unless you need heat right away (to stay warm) any heat energy is essentially wasted

Tell me, if not by transforming heat, then how is electricity generated?

You obviously don't live in Iceland, where 25% of the power is geothermal. Try this for starters: Geothermal electricity

Nearly all electricity is generated by heat.
5  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs to change to avoid the inevitable environmentalist backlash on: October 03, 2014, 07:14:47 AM
Perhaps you missed it:



I hadn't. That's actually very useful - this says that current bitcoin mining electricity usage is roughly 600 times less than the fiat banking system. Taking into account my previous point about the cost per user, that means that, per user bitcoin mining uses 11 times more than the fiat banking system.

Talking about cost per user is important because currently bitcoin is far from at mass adoption levels, whereas fiat certainly is.

However, if the bitcoin network acquired 100x more users, the consumption of electricity would not need to increase to sustain the other users, bringing the ratio per person to a more respectable level.

Also, as the profit ratio of mining decreases, I think that the overall hash rate will decrease.  Many of the units that will be shut down will be older and less efficient, because they have completely lost profitability.
6  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: hardware prospects on: August 28, 2014, 04:30:21 AM
I understand the mfg are in it for profit, and many have kept a reasonable price.  The difference is now they cannot make as much of a margin per unit.  I am curious if they are selling near their mfg cost or if they have room to go down farther. or perhaps a new product will be necessary to make it more profitable for the home miner.  or if home mining is now completely dead and most mining will be completed by mfg. maybe that was the plan from the beginning, use the sales to build capital and then use the mfg capacity to expand long term mining investment.
7  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: hardware prospects on: August 28, 2014, 03:52:37 AM
any speculation?  Do you think the mfg are bottomed out on margin or do you think they will adjust pricing accordingly?
8  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / hardware prospects on: August 28, 2014, 03:45:55 AM
The antminer s3 seems like the best deal at the moment as far as w/gh, but none of them seem to be able to break even.  Is there anything I am missing?
9  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 05, 2014, 01:10:05 AM
There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that. 

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.

You are indeed one ignorant person. You know shit about life, particularly outside the block you live in.

When you refer to a 3rd world country, take a note, that there are all beauties of modern civilization in there. Maybe even more, than in US. The key difference from developed countries is, that the middle class is almost disappeared in 3rd world countries and the rich are getting even more wealthy by abusing and enslaving of those in poverty. Believe me, you will not trust your vision, if you see those castles engraved in gold the rich people in developing countries live in. Their vehicles, also covered in gold or other precious metals. And army of slaves, behind them...

This is in Brazil, for example:


Regarding renting or buying a house, have you considered about the fact, that 30% of US population has a bad credit history or a bankruptcy, hence they can not get a mortgage loan? Educate yourself a bit, before making those hilarious statements...

https://www.nmhc.org/Content.aspx?id=4708

I stated earlier I wasn't very familiar with things outside the usa. Everyone is twisting my words. 30% of the usa has shit credit, yes, but FHA will give anyone a loan.  I also am talking about people who sit on 6k worth of mining equipment.
10  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 05:47:11 PM

Please clarify how my comment was stupid.

It is stupid because it shows a complete lack of understanding of life experiences different from your own.
There are many reasons people rent instead of buy. In the USA, they could be compromised financially by medical expenses due to serious illness and sold their home to pay the bills, they could be recently divorced and have lost assets to the SO, they could be young and yet to get into the property racket, they could be priced out of the market due to work circumstances, they could have moved recently new a new part of the country and be renting before they buy, they could be waiting for the inevitable property crash in San Deigo to get in cheap, they could ...

There are a million and one obvious reasons why people might rent instead of buy other than not having prioritized buying a home.
Your remark was stupid because you haven't figured this out. My guess is that you are young white, affluent, middle class and live in North America and haven't travelled much.

There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that.  

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.
11  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.

In some countries, even owning a watch can be considered as being rich...

See the situation in 3rd world countries.

That is true.  If you make over 24k a year you are in the top 1% of the world.  I intended to say I am not rich in comparison to the other people in my area, or in the usa.
12  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 03:36:14 PM

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

Smiley This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

Indeed. Mining has become a toff sport now. Its by and large lost it roots, and this loss will be the eventual death of the bitcoin ecosystem as it gets swallowed up by the fiat system.

I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.
13  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 03:24:05 PM
Smiley This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

Not quite the same. People need a place to live.  It makes sense to me to have a place to live in the most economical way.  People don't need a boat, kids or a mansion.
14  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 03:20:27 PM

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This remark isn't just thoughtless, its stupid.

The people who spend enough in equipment to need a dedicated 240v circuit are clearly investing.  They are taking risk on the equipment in hopes to turn a profit in one way or another.  Yet they rent a house.  The landlord is making more money in rent then he pays in mortgage and insurance(otherwise he wouldn't do it).  People are concerned with power availability to profit on btc mining, yet loosing their ass monthly on housing (likely by a significantly larger margin).

Please clarify how my comment was stupid.
15  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 01:12:55 PM

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.
16  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 01:10:08 PM

Adding a 240 volt circuit to most houses is trivial and cheap. If you can afford 4K for a mining device, you can afford another 50-200 dollars for a new circuit or, worst case, a new panel with a new circuit. I find this argument disengenuous. Calling out a company for missing their target is fine and dandy. From what I've seen, Spondoolies has acknowledged that they made some errors and are working to rectify it. But bitching about a circuit or two is just plain trolling. This is high school level stuff.
 

I agree, even if people don't know how to do it themselves, Electricians aren't that expensive, and surely they have a buddy that would do it for a few beers. Or maybe not. Still, couple hundred bucks isn't that much.

I don't think any situation would ever exist when a new panel is necessary.

To upgrade from an 100amp service to a 200 amp service where I live is 2500 bucks to install flat rate..low end which is a very easy switch in my case anyway I was told..
....all the electrician's in this area charge the same rate.....the city I am in requires that the local utility shut down service and also that the electrical inspector and an electrician ARE PRESENT and it is signed off by the Electrical Inspector before the power utility can turn the power back on..so essentially you are paying for the utility service the electrician and the electrical inspector to stand around...and pay them for the morning shot ..to get everyone there...

and yes I asked 4 Electrical contractors they were all within $100 usd of each other and also if ....say the elec inspector or electrician is not on site when this
is done..then you guessed it ..the utility company will not turn power back on....a big headache

will try to slip by with the 100amp..don't have house a/c nor forced air furnace nor major other drains on the elec panel ....so should be OK the panel and wiring
is modern....

but heat out of the basement is my current challenge oh...and again this is CITY rules....along with the State rules and I think just the local utility protecting
their butt cause everybody else is so anal about all this!

Searing


No a/c.  I feel bad for you.  Forced air furnace isn't really a big drain.  Electric water heater, electric dryer and electric heat(elec furnace or baseboard heat) are the big ones.  Unless you have a shit pile of miners you should be ok. 

Also if you are going to pay them to put a new panel in, may as well go with a 400amp.
17  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 01:01:48 PM

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

You can always suggest this improvement to the landlord. And if it keeps you there safe and happy, (s)he will invest easily in any electrical modifications improving your quality of life. Then it becomes an improvement at "no cost" to you!

yeah, or you could ask the landlord. As long as it is done correctly they probably wont care.  Or you could use your stove outlet (40-50amp 240v) or if you have a gas stove tell your landlord you want an electric stove and you will pay for the outlet to be installed. Keep the gas stove and use the juice.  same could go with a dryer.
18  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 04, 2014, 12:58:28 PM
Speaking for myself:


Now I live in europe where 240v is standard, but apparently even in the US/Canada you do actually have 220v just split in two parts and its a matter of getting a little y-cable and you can do it in a home also.  So buy the cable already, sure it cant cost more than $5 on ebay.



Europe has 220v single phase, usa has 240v split phase.  Not a simple cable to have 240v outlet in usa.  Minimum of a new breaker. Usually requires new breaker and new wire to new outlet.

usually the US/CANADA is wired with a Hot 120V, neutral (0V return), and Ground (0V safety). Changing the neutral wire for a select outlet to run on the secondary phase of 120V will give you 240V at the outlet and work with a 'typical' PC power cord.

however, running 240V in a 120V socket is against code, so it should be switched out to a 240V-speced outlet.

You are correct, It should be replaced.
19  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 03, 2014, 09:16:21 AM
Speaking for myself:


Now I live in europe where 240v is standard, but apparently even in the US/Canada you do actually have 220v just split in two parts and its a matter of getting a little y-cable and you can do it in a home also.  So buy the cable already, sure it cant cost more than $5 on ebay.



Europe has 220v single phase, usa has 240v split phase.  Not a simple cable to have 240v outlet in usa.  Minimum of a new breaker. Usually requires new breaker and new wire to new outlet.
20  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: August 03, 2014, 09:10:11 AM

There are quite a few houses with 100 amp services that were made in the late 70's. That's pushing it. But a 150 Amp is only about 60 bucks if you look around. Also, if you want more than one of these beasts, a 300 amp may be a good idea. But that's a bit more money. Still a pittance by comparison to the miners themselves.

My house is all electric with 100amp service, but I was making the comparison between the stated spec and actual spec.  If they had the power to run the machine on 120v then the actual machine usage difference on 240v isn't going to make a difference.

The biggest problem with 70s houses is aluminum wire.  Even if I could run a machine on 120v, I would have a dedicated circuit installed anyway.  That aluminum wire is a fire hazard.
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