[ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs

[wh00per]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

You can always suggest this improvement to the landlord. And if it keeps you there safe and happy, (s)he will invest easily in any electrical modifications improving your quality of life. Then it becomes an improvement at "no cost" to you!

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[repairguy]

Speaking for myself:


Now I live in europe where 240v is standard, but apparently even in the US/Canada you do actually have 220v just split in two parts and its a matter of getting a little y-cable and you can do it in a home also.  So buy the cable already, sure it cant cost more than $5 on ebay.

Europe has 220v single phase, usa has 240v split phase.  Not a simple cable to have 240v outlet in usa.  Minimum of a new breaker. Usually requires new breaker and new wire to new outlet.

usually the US/CANADA is wired with a Hot 120V, neutral (0V return), and Ground (0V safety). Changing the neutral wire for a select outlet to run on the secondary phase of 120V will give you 240V at the outlet and work with a 'typical' PC power cord.

however, running 240V in a 120V socket is against code, so it should be switched out to a 240V-speced outlet.

You are correct, It should be replaced.

[repairguy]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

You can always suggest this improvement to the landlord. And if it keeps you there safe and happy, (s)he will invest easily in any electrical modifications improving your quality of life. Then it becomes an improvement at "no cost" to you!

yeah, or you could ask the landlord. As long as it is done correctly they probably wont care.  Or you could use your stove outlet (40-50amp 240v) or if you have a gas stove tell your landlord you want an electric stove and you will pay for the outlet to be installed. Keep the gas stove and use the juice.  same could go with a dryer.

[repairguy]

Adding a 240 volt circuit to most houses is trivial and cheap. If you can afford 4K for a mining device, you can afford another 50-200 dollars for a new circuit or, worst case, a new panel with a new circuit. I find this argument disengenuous. Calling out a company for missing their target is fine and dandy. From what I've seen, Spondoolies has acknowledged that they made some errors and are working to rectify it. But bitching about a circuit or two is just plain trolling. This is high school level stuff.
 

I agree, even if people don't know how to do it themselves, Electricians aren't that expensive, and surely they have a buddy that would do it for a few beers. Or maybe not. Still, couple hundred bucks isn't that much.

I don't think any situation would ever exist when a new panel is necessary.

To upgrade from an 100amp service to a 200 amp service where I live is 2500 bucks to install flat rate..low end which is a very easy switch in my case anyway I was told..
....all the electrician's in this area charge the same rate.....the city I am in requires that the local utility shut down service and also that the electrical inspector and an electrician ARE PRESENT and it is signed off by the Electrical Inspector before the power utility can turn the power back on..so essentially you are paying for the utility service the electrician and the electrical inspector to stand around...and pay them for the morning shot ..to get everyone there...

and yes I asked 4 Electrical contractors they were all within $100 usd of each other and also if ....say the elec inspector or electrician is not on site when this
is done..then you guessed it ..the utility company will not turn power back on....a big headache

will try to slip by with the 100amp..don't have house a/c nor forced air furnace nor major other drains on the elec panel ....so should be OK the panel and wiring
is modern....

but heat out of the basement is my current challenge oh...and again this is CITY rules....along with the State rules and I think just the local utility protecting
their butt cause everybody else is so anal about all this!

Searing

No a/c.  I feel bad for you.  Forced air furnace isn't really a big drain.  Electric water heater, electric dryer and electric heat(elec furnace or baseboard heat) are the big ones.  Unless you have a shit pile of miners you should be ok. 

Also if you are going to pay them to put a new panel in, may as well go with a 400amp.

[repairguy]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

[wh00per]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

[zvisha]

The miner turned on:
67DB

[s1gs3gv]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This remark isn't just thoughtless, its stupid.

[s1gs3gv]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

Indeed. Mining has become a toff sport now. Its by and large lost it roots, and this loss will be the eventual death of the bitcoin ecosystem as it gets swallowed up by the fiat system.

[Bicknellski]

What price will SP-Tech be declaring on the invoice for Customs ( original purchased price or original minus compensation ).

The invoices will contain the adjusted price i.e. original minus compensation.
Gadi

This is another awesome news Thanks!

+1 Hoping Norway doesn't ding me too bad when they get shipped to the DC there. Fingers crossed.

I am hoping the compensation make for a shorter haul to breakeven land... come on BTC rise!

[raskul]

What price will SP-Tech be declaring on the invoice for Customs ( original purchased price or original minus compensation ).

The invoices will contain the adjusted price i.e. original minus compensation.
Gadi

This is another awesome news Thanks!

+1 Hoping Norway doesn't ding me too bad when they get shipped to the DC there. Fingers crossed.

I am hoping the compensation make for a shorter haul to breakeven land... come on BTC rise!

  goodness and light  
sp10 no1 is mining pure profit baby
Peace.

[klondike_bar]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

Indeed. Mining has become a toff sport now. Its by and large lost it roots, and this loss will be the eventual death of the bitcoin ecosystem as it gets swallowed up by the fiat system.

bitcoin never expected to be played with GPUs forever. the evolution to efficienct hardware and the creation of semi-centralized mining clusters was always a known eventuality and a healthy part of the growth. Its no different then when satoshi was mining 30% of all blocks at the beginning or when people had garages with 50+ GPUs running only a year or two back.

The SP30 design is ideal for this expansion, but you are right that mining profits are getting tighter recently. Before long a shift in bitcoin price will be required in order to offset the growing operation costs to produce a bitcoin

[repairguy]

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This remark isn't just thoughtless, its stupid.

The people who spend enough in equipment to need a dedicated 240v circuit are clearly investing.  They are taking risk on the equipment in hopes to turn a profit in one way or another.  Yet they rent a house.  The landlord is making more money in rent then he pays in mortgage and insurance(otherwise he wouldn't do it).  People are concerned with power availability to profit on btc mining, yet loosing their ass monthly on housing (likely by a significantly larger margin).

Please clarify how my comment was stupid.

[repairguy]

This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

Not quite the same. People need a place to live.  It makes sense to me to have a place to live in the most economical way.  People don't need a boat, kids or a mansion.

[repairguy]

I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

Also if you have enough $$ worth of mining equipment to necessitate a dedicated 240v circuit, you probably should have had home ownership higher on your priority list.

This is a little pushy .. next time, if you're a miner, you should own a boat too, have 5 kids and live in a mansion, if one can find a good enough reason. Three years ago you'd find ONLY geeky guys with their GPUs/CPUs in the landscape. Now we jumped to data-center grade stuff, and I don't see the need to own a house yet just for "being a miner".

Indeed. Mining has become a toff sport now. Its by and large lost it roots, and this loss will be the eventual death of the bitcoin ecosystem as it gets swallowed up by the fiat system.

I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.

[psahx]

I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.

In some countries, even owning a watch can be considered as being rich...

See the situation in 3rd world countries.

[repairguy]

I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.

In some countries, even owning a watch can be considered as being rich...

See the situation in 3rd world countries.

That is true.  If you make over 24k a year you are in the top 1% of the world.  I intended to say I am not rich in comparison to the other people in my area, or in the usa.

[wh00per]

Just to avoid any misunderstandings, if you had the curiosity to open your electrical panel in a generic US residential home, this is how it should look like if you take down the cover:



The image shows 120Volt lines and 240volt lines. Both circuits have ground wire. Each 120V and 240V require two wires to complete circuit. 120V requires 1 hot and 1 neutral. 240V requires 2 hots. Some 240V lines have additional neutral wire. Neutral is not absolutely necessary to complete a 240V circuit. Some 240V lines have white and black instead of red and black.

To avoid burning the place down, follow the rules below about the wire sizes:



With this in mind, here's how one should wire their 250V sockets depending on the type of wires running to your mining location from your electrical panel (-2 wire or -3 wire) ..



or



You definitely have this setup already if your house is built after 1970, since most of the driers and ovens are using 240V in your house. Older houses may be the exceptions I'm going to be trolled on.

As always, if you're not sure what you're doing, get a licensed electrician. Just bear in mind you don't need a dedicated 240V circuit if everything you have is ONE/TWO SP30.

If anyone is interested, I can build to order CSA certified power distribution (sub) panels (metered or un-metered).

[s1gs3gv]

Please clarify how my comment was stupid.

It is stupid because it shows a complete lack of understanding of life experiences different from your own.
There are many reasons people rent instead of buy. In the USA, they could be compromised financially by medical expenses due to serious illness and sold their home to pay the bills, they could be recently divorced and have lost assets to the SO, they could be young and yet to get into the property racket, they could be priced out of the market due to work circumstances, they could have moved recently new a new part of the country and be renting before they buy, they could be waiting for the inevitable property crash in San Deigo to get in cheap, they could ...

There are a million and one obvious reasons why people might rent instead of buy other than not having prioritized buying a home.
Your remark was stupid because you haven't figured this out. My guess is that you are young white, affluent, middle class and live in North America and haven't travelled much.

[wh00per]

The miner turned on:
67DB

This remark gets very easily overlooked without the pictures which were earlier in the message.
I can bet it was fun measuring the DB level with the unit initially turned off