That's great. I think I simply have read too many threads of people that didn't realize that they could lose privkeys or/and actually lost bitcoins because of a backup that was slightly too old.

ezeminer



Believe me, I often enough think of giving up. The time involved is high, the reward miniscule and not seldom you get a promise for a tip but no tip at all at the end.

And yes, many escrows gave up already... I'm sure they enjoy the free time they have now... haven't really lost much from that.

Though without escrows the scamsituation on here would be way way worse.

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Serge V.



I wonder if you are new on here or if your english is only that bad that you miswrote what you meant. I doubt that you really believe that a scammer can be motivated to be honest to his trading partner.

Without escrows the situation on bitcointalk would be way way worse. You never notice it because so many scams are stopped in the beginning only because an escrow is mentioned, then another big bunch when the escrow gets involved and alot of deals end before the escrow got released because before that doubts appear or a clear accusation comes into.

Well, I think you miswrote... or you somehow managed to never get scammed.

It's possible because an artificially restriction in the bitcoin protocol. Initially implemented to prevent spam, though it never served that purpose, it now is held up by some bitcoiners as an important groundstone of the bitcoin protocol that has to be kept in all cases. In the meanwhile the protocol suffers suffocation and bitcoiners get annoyed because transactions don't get confirmations.

It's the current "raise 1MB blocksize limit" discussion that is dividing the whole bitcoin community.

I already control it all the time and do regular backups though the standard wallet is different with its creation of new bitcoin addresses. It might happen that an error slowly comes into a wallet, you make backups and backups and only then realize the error. You try to go back but the last backup that does not contain it is pretty old. Happened with electrum at least once so a deterministic wallet is another form of backup that would protect the basic things in a wallet on top of backups.

In fact as long as I know btc-e they had always higher prices than the other exchanges. Fees are higher too. The only reason many chose that exchange is because he has no regulation, so it is ideal for scammers that want to stay anonymous or for third world countries whose citicens otherwise can't use other exchanges.

Right... my sentence was not the best. I only referred to the small part of trades that you referred to before.

At the end it's correct that it's not possible to make it totally safe. As escrow you can only try to find potential risks and avoid them or try to lessen them.

Now when I think about it, redesigning is not a matter of 2 weeks. It can take a lot of time. Getting a design can be fast only when the designer has not much work. Mostly it will take a month or more. Then implementing it will take at least 2 weeks too.

Well, maybe they have their own designers and only exchange graphics or so.

That's good to hear too though my previous answer was more directed at your second paragraph. I'm sure there are a lot of account traders holding a stash of many bitcointalk accounts. I wonder if they will be worth something anymore in the new forum.

Besides that, it would be pretty fast to add this link then. Actually I'm surprised that that domain was not snatched before. It is a very old blackhat trick to replace these 2 letters.

I hate so much? I'm not sure where you have read that but it sounds a bit like you are at the end of factual discussion. Well, not surprising on a topic that does live on beliefs.

And how can drinking harm society? Drunken persons go to police station, harm avoided.

And what kind of homosexuals do you know that practice homosexuality in front of you?

The only harm coming from seeing a homosexual couple holding hands is the harm that exists in the heads of haters. That's all. The couples love can be more pure than the love of most married couples.

> homosexuals who destroy family life and spread dissease.

Well, so much for the informed society you life in.

> I am really not extremist. I just try telling truth and in my country there's freedom for speech😊

So you enjoy the freedom of a secular country and still ask for the sharia... well get to terms with being an extremist.

Democracy is not yet strong, I know. But still it has proven as a way better way for now. And the people don't agree to corruption so even lobbyist influence on politicians is a real point of critics nowadays. It goes in the right direction at least.


It's good to read that you say no one should follow blindly. Though what you should see is that many people that are screaming on one side or the other actually miss knowledge. I switched sides one time, well, maybe I switch more often on subtopics too. The point is that this happens when my knowledge is rising. So discussing the topics is very important.

But even when all facts are on the table, especially the topic at hand is a topic that leaves ALOT room for interpretation and guessing of the future. So what sounds logical on the one side sounds illogical on the other and vice versa. That surely does not mean that misinformations and FUD are spread out of bad habit but because it is the stand of knowledge or/and because you can ask both sides to the same points and both sides can show that they are right. So it's not really bringing anything forward claiming it is FUD.

Of course there are sometimes people that invest in fiat. Sometimes the USDollar is pretty cheap compared to the Euro. Then there are people, mostly having not the best knowledge, that buy USD and sell it later when the price is higher.

Well, they don't know the forex markets but forex is nothing other too than investing into fiat. Possibly because there are different fiat currencies. And on forex market it does not matter so much if the fluctuations are not so big. Leverage there is high. So small changes can compete with normal bitcoin moves too.

So no, it's not only bitcoin that is used as investment.

Yes, the wallets basing on that codesbase become more and more attractive though it's still happening too often that the blockchain needs to be redownloaded it seems. Comes up often that problem. Or maybe they fixed it in the meanwhile.

When it would become a deterministic one, maybe at least as an option, then it would be even more attractive in my eyes. I would not like having to use an old backup only to find that some addresses can't be recovered because the backup doesn't include freshly created bitcoin addresses that might already hold coins.

Quickseller


The person was very clear about authorizing the forwarding of the bitcoins. Well, the hacker ralobot surely chose the matching words and shortly after send a pm from ralobot's account that he sent the pm. It looked clearly like both parties fulfilled their duties and the buyer was pleased.

You don't think I would read the buyer writing me that he did not receive anything and still would release the coins, don't you? Of course the buyer only could answer on my email telling both parties that the coins are released and the escrow ended. The buyer never realized that something was off before that.

Sure, I would not release the coins, I wonder why you mention it at all. And yes, I would try to find out what is going on. Easiest way would be to contact the buyer through other ways or ask another user to send him a pm. Or my brandnew altaccount.

So you suggest a signature. Well, I'm not sure if you ever tried to explain signatures to someone new to it. It is no fun. Adding this to every escrowtrade... I would stop instantly now. Because it would be a huge hassle to explain everything in many cases. And escrow would become more complicated and longer. Which is, when I enforce it, a disadvantage of using escrows. People already switch or use no escrow at all only because I'm not online the whole day. So making that mandatory is not cool.

Well, I might suggest it to the trading parties at the start. Give me a phpkey or a bitcoin address you want to sign with when you want me to release coins or when you received the goods. Might still mean alot of explainations but maybe it works.

Man... and all this for this single happening. Wonder how often it will happen at all. Well done ralobot. >:-(

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Ralobot.com


There are some cases when I actually can check if the goods reached. Couponcodes whose value I can check before I release it to the buyer without letting the seller know the time when I do. Buyer takes the amounts and tells me to release.

Or accounts might be able to be secured by me before forwarding them.

With material goods. There is tracking and both parties can make videos and images.

But you are sure that it is not 100% scamproof. It is a protection and till now all scam attempts Iam aware of could be stopped because the scammer ultimately was not so totally smart like he thought.

But yes, surely it's not absolutely safe. It's surely safer than sending bitcoins first and receiving nothing, yes.

Why should block halving have an effect? Even if there would be an effect then it would be a speculative one. And speculators have the setting that they will await the future. So they will adapt before. And if they await a price rush then that will happen some weeks before. Might even crash at block halving when the further rise is not happening then.

That sounds like the most exact and matching naming. If you want to use bitcoin then you have to take bitcoin in the name and that name has something like big, similar to millionaire has now.

Well, branding for that name would still have to be done by the press. Maybe it becomes a status object and certain millionaires want to be in the club, buying bitcoins to be "part of it".

Posts merged to prevent ban because of double post...

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It seems kumala has read and fixed that the trade stop is being sat back every day. So it might be that kumala did not abandon his projects totally and that he reads on here. At least the security that should sit on trade stop remains in this state now.

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I once asked in the forum is someone knows kumala personally but no one said a word. He surely can't be anonymous to everyone but it seems he is pretty good anonymous for now.

At least he did not run with the funds or so. He had the chance some times. Probably he is known by some, they only don't come out yet.

Really? Interesting... didn't hear of this. I wonder what all the accounts will be worth then that account traders collected on the old forum.

Well, only because you and others believe so doesn't make it a fact you can proof. No one can proof. Otherwise everyone would believe in god.

Besides that... not everyone wants to throw away his life on here in the hope of some glimmer after dead. For a materialist person this is simply foolish. Believing that all will be good after the life. No proof at all.

It was pretty good in the christian wars. God will love you when you kill muslims. You surely agree that this is not a concept someone should follow.


A unreligious person would ask you why should he follow rules that are written in an old book coming from dark ages where people killed each other regularly? It is only a book for them. Religious people are giving it the meaning.

When you would be born a christian you would believe in the bible the same way you believe in the quran now. Because you learned it that way, checked it for yourself and believed.

So which book to follow? God said the bible is the book, god said the quran is the book. Logically either both books are right or wrong. If they are right then they contradict each other and there would be a right thing in both that match in the other. But many things would have to be discarded.


That should not be possible. If the quran is the word of god then there is no interpretation. The christians have it easier. They have the new testament and can say that this is the new deal with god. All the archaic things like stoning are part of the past deal.


So we have another rule in quran than in the bible. The bible says the way is to forgive and love. So both can't be truth.

What do you do when it's proven later that another man killed your father? Will you feel like a murderer too? You could have prevented it when that man still lives and can go free out of jail. Life can't be given back.


Sure, every rule can be explained. It only doesn't mean that you have to kill a man because he killed a man. It might have some logic but makes you the same the man is.


Well, as long as people are free to harm themselfes with bad things it would be more free. It's up to them. It should be a religious rule but as punishment secular rules should apply.

And sure, every religion claims to know the truth and wants the good. The IS wants the good too... on the outside. That's where their new terrorists come from. And yes, they can show them that they are right. In the quran. It's simpel to do such things. Still... it's nothing that should be done.

I'm pretty sure all the cruel rules of the quran for punishment could be spoken away with other bigger rules like love and such. It's all up for interpretation. And it's pretty sure that such interpretations exist.

So what is a religion when it is interpreted by man and can be interpreted different ways? It's a mess.

Relgion should be something a person can follow to have faith and be a better man. As long as he does not push his opinion on others. It's the same with harming. One can harm himself if he wishes but society should step in when he harms others. And religious people unfortunately sometimes tend to harm others. There are such persons in all religions.

Well, that might take another year... or two.

But I think this forum is not lost completely. Small things are implemented regularly, like newbie warnings in posts and such.

I believe such a change here would be minor because I'm pretty sure the forum software already has a function to replace words.

Yes, no green lock on the left of url.

Having to login manually because password manager doesn't autofill.

Checking URL when hovering in the bottom left of the browser window will show you strange signs even when you can't see that a small L is in fact a big i. Though surely, that is hard as long as you don't get aware of it by the login.

Though I don't understand how it can be that the hacker still was in the account since the victim claims that he changed pass.