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801  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: New ASIC Cedartec on: March 29, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
Another one?  Undecided

On the "product page" It reads:  "Supported protocol: SHA-256 (e.g. Bitcoin)"

Funny. What was that suppose to mean to anyone? and Why is it important? Looks like a case of baffle em with b.s.
802  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL update-29 March 2013 on: March 29, 2013, 08:04:38 AM
Cool. Seems like it will be better to have the less efficient ones since you get more hardware in return. Sounds backwards - I know. But when/if the power drain issue is resolved, maybe there will be a fix that can be done at home. Then you can increase the clock back.
803  Economy / Economics / Re: The entire EU going the way of cyprus.... on: March 28, 2013, 12:49:55 PM

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-03-28/bitcoin-may-be-the-global-economys-last-safe-haven
804  Economy / Speculation / Re: Parity watch -> Malawi on: March 28, 2013, 11:32:31 AM
Anyone else feel that tingly feeling?

It's probably just the pizza.
805  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 10:29:44 AM
Anyone got a sell offer in?

Spartans!!!! Hold!!!!!

I'm out at 98.5, at least until it ticks past 102.

That's probably a good price to get out at for now. Also watching an exit strategy with a trailing stop (now at approx. 89).
806  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 10:23:39 AM
Anyone got a sell offer in?

Spartans!!!! Hold!!!!!
807  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 09:57:34 AM
My take is still that Gox will not fall today. The shortsellers and easterfreaks are all there, holding the ground at $98.5.


Short sellers?
808  Economy / Speculation / Re: The last leg to $100 on: March 28, 2013, 09:51:49 AM
My bet is that we hit $99 by 9am GMT

Did you get that from Herman Cain?  Tongue

[late entry: Herman Cain tax plan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain#9.E2.80.939.E2.80.939_Plan]
809  Economy / Economics / Re: A new bitcoin metric. on: March 28, 2013, 08:07:05 AM

I don't know. But I found a visual to define the term "speed bump". See date 06/11:


810  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Fast Hash (ASIC) by Helion Technology High Performance SHA and MD5 Hashing Cores on: March 27, 2013, 03:07:57 AM
Scam.

I'm just saying because I dont want to see the first 3 replies to be "wow im interested" or "I will order pre-order.." blabla

Edit: This does not look like any miner out there, can anyone tell me what exactly this is?  Grin

It's not a scam. It's an asic chip that can do SHA256 hashing. I've asked questions about these same chips more than once before. But haven't yet read an answer on why this type of chip hasn't already been designed, by some bitcoin techies in this field, in hybrid fashion to work with FPGA's (or GPU's) to make something that mines better than FPGA's and GPU's. My bet is you could get something five to ten times faster and more efficient than either technology alone, but it wouldn't be quite as fast & efficient as pure asic technology.

as per your calculation,what speed we could get with an asic based on this?

I didn't really make a calculation. My guess on orders of speed or efficiency were largely speculation.

If you mean asics in general, consider the BFL Jalapeno, you see 4.5GH advertise (the Jalapeno will have one asic chip). But they likely have done a lot of engineering around the chip to support that speed. Just look at their FPGA boards compared to other sources of FPGA boards. BFL has more extra-component support.
811  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Fast Hash (ASIC) by Helion Technology High Performance SHA and MD5 Hashing Cores on: March 27, 2013, 02:58:28 AM
according to Toshiba 90nm "logic densities up to 400,000 gates/mm2 or more and low-k dielectric"
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=1&lineid=7231

Helion Fast Hash IP is SHA-512 @ 2400 Mbps using 41500 gates

2400 Mbps / 512 = 4.688 MHashs/s per unit; Bitcoin is 256+256

20mm x 20 mm = 400 mm2 x 400k gates = 160,000k gates / 41.5k gates = 3855 units

3855 units x 4.688 MHashs/s = 18.072 GHashs/s per chip @ 200Mhz



seriously?

but would it work for mining?
cause usually all this are made for archiving etc


Keep in mind that the chip that does the SHA256 hash is only one step in the overall mining algorithm. For each hash, you will have to transmit that data to some operation outside of the asic (those kinds of speeds may not work readily without engineering around some interelemental interactance issues). Also, it will take 'X' number of clock cycles to compare the output to some target value, and if it doesn't meet your target do some kind of data shift on the digest value, then resend that digest back to the hasher. Something like that. So, expect less than 18GH/chip. Finally, what is the cost fo one chip?

All that said, I'd still like to see what can be made with it.
812  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Fast Hash (ASIC) by Helion Technology High Performance SHA and MD5 Hashing Cores on: March 26, 2013, 11:23:15 PM
Scam.

I'm just saying because I dont want to see the first 3 replies to be "wow im interested" or "I will order pre-order.." blabla

Edit: This does not look like any miner out there, can anyone tell me what exactly this is?  Grin

It's not a scam. It's an asic chip that can do SHA256 hashing. I've asked questions about these same chips more than once before. But haven't yet read an answer on why this type of chip hasn't already been designed, by some bitcoin techies in this field, in hybrid fashion to work with FPGA's (or GPU's) to make something that mines better than FPGA's and GPU's. My bet is you could get something five to ten times faster and more efficient than either technology alone, but it wouldn't be quite as fast & efficient as pure asic technology.
813  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: advertising budget of BFL on: March 26, 2013, 12:29:48 PM
Is there somebody with an Ad Sense account who can tell us what the cost for this is approx per month?

I doubt it will cost much for them. Google targets the advertising. Doing so, those that are re-visiting bitcoin sites will be profiled. Assume that is 10,000 bitcoin miners and users of bitcoin. Targeted advertisement is hi quality, and can be charged more, but let's keep it simple and assume a cheap 1 cent / banner impression (i.e. without a click on the ad).

10,000 x $0.01 =  $100

Disregard forum ads. Let's say that many ads are dispensed every two days. So, $50/day for the adsense ads per day to be displayed. More if there is significant clicking. Assume 4% click on an ad (which is pretty high percentage), and 25 cent rate for the click. You get:

400/2 click thrus x $0.25 = $50 more per day.

So, my left field guess: ($100 to $200 per day) or a median guess of $150 per day for the ad sense ads alone. I don't know what the forum(s) charge for ad space.
814  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: -= Galaxy 1 - 20nm ASIC Announcement =- on: March 25, 2013, 10:03:28 PM
Whatever the case. It would be nice to know if this guy is legit. I'd like to see other asic options. Even if it's only just competitive, if he can deliver on time, I'd opt for that over the current delays. And if he has a awesome customer relations, he'd probably would win not just mine, but most of the business. But I won't hold my breath in the meantime.
815  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ** Pulsar Infinity X1 - 15nm Quantum Chipset Announcement ** on: March 25, 2013, 07:11:41 PM
I all seriousness, I wonder how far out from now quantum technology is. If it's in 20 years, hypothetically, what does that mean to bitcoin?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/22/technology/testing-a-new-class-of-speedy-computer.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130218-diamond-idea-for-quantum-computer
816  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ** Pulsar Infinity X1 - 15nm Quantum Chipset Announcement ** on: March 25, 2013, 06:57:16 PM
What's funny is this post has already received about 100 views in less than ten minutes.
817  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ** Pulsar Infinity X1 - 15nm Quantum Chipset Announcement ** on: March 25, 2013, 06:56:26 PM
Delivery is in quantum states? You do and don't get the device at the same time!

Sorry and not sorrry, I can't and can disclose that. You'll receive the answer if you're in phase with the quantum spin value.

NDA right?

Can't disclose that either.
818  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: ** Pulsar Infinity X1 - 15nm Quantum Chipset Announcement ** on: March 25, 2013, 06:54:30 PM
Delivery is in quantum states? You do and don't get the device at the same time!

Sorry and not sorrry, I can't and can disclose that. You'll receive the answer if you're in phase with the quantum spin value.
819  Bitcoin / Hardware / ** Pulsar Infinity X1 - 15nm Quantum Chipset Announcement ** on: March 25, 2013, 06:49:27 PM
Quantum computers are here. Undisclosed partners accepting pre-orders now.

Sorry, couldn't resist.  Tongue

[to the moderators: like i said, sorry, couldn't resist with all the prospective asic posts. delete this thread anytime]
820  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL is getting awfully quiet.... on: March 24, 2013, 07:43:26 AM
I know this has been mentioned before, but...

Out of boredom I just clicked on one of the BFL links that grace this forum and bought a 1500 unit for 450-ish BTC.  Or could have.  The only thing it even looked like was a 'order' and to add insult to injury, they'll happily charge and extra $300 for 'rush delivery'.  After being 6 months delayed so far that is a pretty funny joke.

God but what bunch of slimeballs these people are!  They should get a scammer tag just for this issue if nothing else.



When you say "Rush delivery", I assume you mean when they describe "express shipping". Their final order page reads:
Express shipping only expedites the shipping process. It does not affect your placement in the order queue.

If this is where you got it, then I think you are being overly sensitive. That is a shipping feature offered by most companies that ship some product to you.
That said, I also not happy with their missed timelines. They aren't any better than they were last year with FPGA's. Arguably, they are much worse.
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