Please don't turn this into a flame fest or some other off topic discussion. I will lock the thread and promptly forget about it if so.
I would like to know what one or two individuals (in the US preferably, unless the non-US person wants to pony up a ticket) that Bitcoin Talk community would nominate and accept as credible, verifiable individuals to be flown here to KC sometime around the end of October/Beginning of November time frame to see our facility, inspect the manufacturing equipment and test out the devices. We don't have an exact date yet as to when we would do this, but I would like to get the ball rolling as far as names in the hat and see if there's even a vague consensus on who the individual(s) might be.
I know this Inaba dude, he's in KC, but I hear he's kind of a jerk.
I'd like to volunteer to evaluate the whole BFL process & new products, and meet the people behind the scenes. I'm already on record as a skeptic of sorts (i.e. burned by a real ponzi scheme that was shut down by the FBI), and have made my share of complaints as a BFL customer. If the forum wants an analytical critic in there, I'm that guy. Read my posts from around May/June/July or August. ||bit |
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Keep tellin' your self that, champ. Whatever makes you feel better about your fake clearance.
I suspect the real reason you're begging off the list is because you don't want to be made to look like an idiot in front of the whole bitcoin talk world when you're forced to admit BFL is actually producing ASICs. It's going to be bad enough when someone else confirms it, but it would be a double blow to your poor little ego if you had to actually do the dirty work yourself. It's ok little man, we won't laugh too much at you. I can't wait to see the back pedaling you do after we start shipping.
(That's not true, at least in private we will be laughing out assess off at you, but you didn't hear that from me.)
Technically, if I recall correctly, someone holding an active TS is not suppose to even divulge that fact unless there is a need to know. ||bit NTK is pretty open to interpretation because it's implicit in so many job listings and candidate searches. The number of TS holders is public knowledge. I think I had missed Inaba's post before, the one you quote. I said it wasn't reverse psychology. You are blathering as if you offered me a shitty trip to a shitty town to visit you (wow, what a way to spend a day!), when you didn't. I didn't turn down anything offered. I merely recused myself for specific reasons. You have been attempting to create a smokescreen about a tiny aspect of my reason for not going rather than addressing your issues. Dissembling. I understand that disclosing it is not strictly enforced. Keeping one's clearance unkown was a practice I recalled as typical long ago. It made sense. After all, if a foreign agent wanted to screen for people that have access to information of TS nature, someone advertising their clearance is only helping them. Now they can work on ways to compromise that person. Therefore, at the least, it should be treated as confidential. FWIW: http://govwin.com/lindleyashline_blog/should-you-disclose-your-security/99543
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Keep tellin' your self that, champ. Whatever makes you feel better about your fake clearance.
I suspect the real reason you're begging off the list is because you don't want to be made to look like an idiot in front of the whole bitcoin talk world when you're forced to admit BFL is actually producing ASICs. It's going to be bad enough when someone else confirms it, but it would be a double blow to your poor little ego if you had to actually do the dirty work yourself. It's ok little man, we won't laugh too much at you. I can't wait to see the back pedaling you do after we start shipping.
(That's not true, at least in private we will be laughing out assess off at you, but you didn't hear that from me.)
Technically, if I recall correctly, someone holding an active TS is not suppose to even divulge that fact unless there is a need to know. ||bit |
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Is he now giving the large orders (> 30) priority for shipments?
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...but does it come with a coffee cup?
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... it does indeed seem possible that the BFL single can provide 40GH/s at 60W on a 130 nm process.
Assuming your data is correct, one Jalapeno (3.5GH/s) would need 5.25 Watt. But a USB port provides only 2.5 Watt. Hmmm ... That would be with the end values of what he considers possible. But assume his values 56.9GH/s and ~60W it is 3.7W. Still high. Maybe, they have two USB cables, or maybe, sicne it's referred to as a "coffee warmer", they intended to overdrive it to make more heat? ;-) ||bit |
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I did the math:
BTCFPGA bASIC $1069.99 ÷ 27GH = $39.63/GH
1 year warranty
projected to ship in November/December of 2012
BFL Single 'SC' $1299.00 ÷ 40GH = $32.48/GH
6 month warranty
projected to ship in October of 2012
but yes, competition is good.
Looking good cablepair  Price is spot on with BFL,or close enough for me & the warranty is great  Now will he be offering the buyback (trade in) like BFL does??? He was talking about it,If so,then a really great deal for his old customer base too  BFL can more easily account for their trade-in value since it apparently has the higher perforamnce Stratix III chips. And maybe they will finally use those to develop the other products that they seem to imply existing, but yet don't seem to exist going by the dead links on their website: e.g. http://www.butterflylabs.com/drivers/1.Computational research 2.Medical imaging 3.Packet integrity verification 4.Generic fingerprinting engine If they don't exist, they should remove those link, imo. It feels like an attempt to create a better impression of the company than actual accomplishments. Anyway, BFL Singles doubled in price from FPGA to ASIC. This bASIC 27GH product will be the same price as the older FPGA product. But still the price is higher than BFL pound for pound. ||bit |
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Well unless it could be fixed with firmware updates...... I would say mislead...... not scammed... Scammed ='s Money going in and nothing coming out  If they send you a 1.9 Ghash/s coffee warmer instead of a 3.5gh/s coffee warmer... Well suck it up....  Profit wise it would make no difference at all, as ASIC will make GPU and FPGA unnoticeable competitors, so it will only be ASIC vs ASIC. If all their products are 50% underspec, then all it means is that difficulty will go up 49% less than expected, so in the end the profit will be the same. good point |
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I hope they arent gonna be that crappy white color like your fpgas lol
we can have the pcb boards silk screened to be any color pretty much have not gotten that far yet to pick out a color i just hate that standard green pcb look The white was actually my idea, lol is it really that ugly? I never was a fan of the white. It gave me a impression that there was a low budget ad-hoc process behind it. Maybe, the psychological effect is that the white reminds me of cardboard, stryrofoam and/or paper. But I like the bold idea of trying a different color. Try orange, purple or dark blue if you want to be bold - should be interesting. Anyway, that's my two satoshis. ||bit |
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They are caught up with their backlog and have been pretty quick to respond lately. My last 2 emails were answered about 2 hours after I sent them.
A week is more typical from my experience on average issues. However, I submitted a problem in email a few days ago and got a tech support response in one day. I responded after considering the advice, and have been waiting for follow-up for a few days now. The firs time I needed tech support it was closer to a week. But the follow ups were a couple days apart. BTW: The defective one worked for maybe three weeks before failure. 10+% fail rate in the first month. If I am not mistaken, gigavps had one of his four minirigs fail soon after receiving it. I'm curious what they are doing for QA... e.g. Are they implementing six-sigma. ||bit |
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I've been pretty successful, though there has been quite a bit of trial and error.
Temperature-wise, they hate being hot. I have one right now that throttles consistently whenever it gets close to 58C, but it is running the 896 firmware. I've trial-and-errored through all of the firmwares, even auto tune. Looking at the math for my situation, it made more sense for me to run the a/c 24/7 rather than slowing them down. I'm waiting on an order of 120mm fans to upgrade all of mine with, to hopefully keep them nice and cool until october. After all the dicking around with them that I've done, I really just want to have a setup I can leave running and forget about it.
I started on OSX, running them all off of a Mac Mini. I learned that they hate lots of traffic on USB, so the hub you choose, and what else you are running along with it matters a bunch. While the MacMini was dedicated to mining, it did fine as long as I didn't forget to remove any external drives on the chain. Keeping the USB cables away from the power cables seems to help. The hub I got was a 11 port saitek thingy that looked good, but in the end is probably too cheap. I cannot get two of the ports on it to work with the singles, and if I move it around too much I need to restart all of them.
For the last week they have been mining off of a dedicated headless DockStar, using ArchLinux and that same crappy USB hub. I finished reorgnizing my office, and have the Mac Mini as my desktop now. It's been working like a charm, no problems at all.
tl;dr: keep them cool, and watch their USB connections. If you can keep em cool, overclock them as high as they'll go and leave em alone.
I've been finding a similar problem with the BFL singles. They seem to be very sensitive with hubs and USB traffic. However, one of the singles has been starting out fine on a computer by itself when there is a fresh start (using Bitminter) and hitting 800+MH. However, within minutes it drops to half of the hashing power...and loads of errors in the bitminter window. We've tried many confirugration changes to try to find the happy spot, but so far, no success acheiving sustained nominal values. The temperature stays below 50C. My others are all averaging 750MH (10% below nominal). Again, they seem too sensitive to USB traffic or movements, and can make each other drop out (on Bitminter at least). So, I'm pretty eager to trade these back in when & if the next gen is ready. ||bit |
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does anyone run sigles sitting on their side (on a wire rack) I was wondergin if this woud have a negative effect on cooling or operation
On a wire rack/shelf, I had several of them running with the main fan side pointing up. However, a couple of them started rattling internally because of the fan. So, those two were put on their sides, and the rattling stopped. There are no observed negative effects on operation, yet. Any cooling changes were not noted. ||bit |
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 some time ago I got my minirigs from BFL , look at the smile on my face ,I want to thank everybody in BFL for their hard work. Nice. I like the clean facility where it looks like you will run them.... and looks like it will maintain cool temps. ||bit |
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I just tried using this pool miner. It's pretty straightforward... snazzy display...good stuff. But it automatically mines for namecoins along with bitcoins. Why?? After looking around, there is no obvious way to disable the namecoins from being generated. Why waste the processing power? Can it be disabled so that all resources mine exclusively bitcoins?
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You waste nothing. Namecoins use the same results as bitcoins. Since the difficulty is lower you generate more blocks. oh cool....thanks for the info....that might even make it better (if namecoins ever become worth anything). do most other mining pools or software do this? ....used guiminer, but never saw namecoins being generated. ||bit |
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 BitMinter mining pool has it's own custom miner. Features of the BitMinter miner:- FAST - top notch GPU and FPGA speeds
- Easy to use good-looking GUI
- Zero installation(!)
- Long polling, to reduce stale work
- Mine on OpenCL-compatible GPUs or BFL FPGAs
- Supports Windows, Linux and Mac OS X
No need to manually install the miner, and certainly no need to build/compile the miner yourself. Try it now:- 1. Fill in the pool sign-up form at http://bitminter.com/signup
- 2. Start the miner with "engine start" here or on our website (Java required)
- 3. Experience mining the way it should be
 I just tried using this pool miner. It's pretty straightforward... snazzy display...good stuff. But it automatically mines for namecoins along with bitcoins. Why?? After looking around, there is no obvious way to disable the namecoins from being generated. Why waste the processing power? Can it be disabled so that all resources mine exclusively bitcoins? ||bit |
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I'm concerned about dinosaurs breaking through the roof of the house and eating my computer.... except on certain holidays.
Dinoaur attacks are impossible on Christmas and Easter. They are afraid of Jesus ever since he drove them into hiding. I was thinking moreso that they simply took those days off.... ...anyway, this house was apparently loaded with electronics and other Japanese products. Note: the aged quality of the photo suggests the pre-bitcoin era:  |
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I'm concerned about dinosaurs breaking through the roof of the house and eating my computer.... except on certain holidays.
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Reminds me of rocket stove principles. Would be interesting to see how one could exploit the effects of convection further in cooling systems that use pipes. Maybe, within the computer case have the heated coolant (or heat sink) wrapped about a central metallic chimney discharging the heat vertically above the chassis. Like in a rocket stove, the heat would cause the gases to rise in the tube(chimney), creating a low pressure at the bottom of it which can suck cooler outside air into the case. Preferrably across other hot components. BUT I'm not sure how much that would help, other than maybe reducing the need for a fan or two. And it might take up more space...not sure. If you had a rack of chassis, then you might have a problem...unless you could mate the vertical tubing somehow.
Any thoughts?
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Yeah, I kinda thought something like that already and amended my comment. However, we are not talking PayPal (yet). BFL is taking wired funds and BTC. And I doubt they already exchanged all the preorder BTC for local currency...or whatever currency they are going to need to buy materials (or tickets to the Cayman Islands?).
Actually they do. When you buy thru Bitpay, Bitpay takes the BTC and gives BFL USD. BFL never actually touches the BTC. Then that settles any questions about it with me. Bit-pay owes him 5000BTC! just kidding  Makes sense then to convert it to a more current rate. ||bit |
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I just want to receive 30.000$ + shipping cost i paid in BTC. Conversion $ -> BTC will be calculated by BFL. Will it be the rate on the date of refund confirmation or not it's up to them.
The rate at the date of purchase is not relevant. It's not an expense report... it's a full refund: If you paid them $30,000...then you should get $30,000 refunded. If you paid them 5,000 BTC...then you should get 5,000 BTC refunded. If you paid them 10,000 clam shells... then you should get 10,000 clam shells refunded. ....etc.... ||bit Sorry dude, that's not how it works in the real world. How does it work? Every time I've ever returned a product, I get back (to the penny) what I paid. Unless there are shipping costs or bank fee's. ||bit Yes, but how often have you been dealing with multiple currencies in the same way? If I used my USD PayPal to pay someone in GBP for something, and then got it refunded, PayPal isn't going to refund the exact USD amount, especially if the exchange rate has changed between the purchase date and the refund date. Ignoring fees of course. Yeah, I kinda thought something like that already and amended my comment. However, we are not talking PayPal (yet). BFL is taking wired funds and BTC. And I doubt they already exchanged all the preorder BTC for local currency...or whatever currency they are going to need to buy materials (or tickets to the Cayman Islands?). |
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