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781  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitForce SC - full custom ASIC on: June 28, 2012, 05:34:24 PM
The SC probably has 10 ASIC and if you do the 2W for USB calculation it gives you 40GH/s for 20W! If this is true, it's a complete game changer!

Do we have a number for the power consumption claim ? How many hashes per Joule ? 20 MH/J ? I can't find this parameter in the thread nor in the BFL docs. 20 GH/J does not sound realistic..
782  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-06-27 newscientist.com - Freicoin: Occupy's online currency for the 99 per on: June 28, 2012, 04:38:41 PM
Arm twisting and arbitrary constraints (why 4.4% demurrage rate why not 10% or 5% ?) are precisely what we are trying to get rid of thanks to bitcoin.

"We" are all quite different. You might want BTC as a store of value which Freicoin just isn't. I would love to have an anonymous fast flowing digital cash as I don't like the concept of storing value for generations to come. That's inherently unfair. Demurrage would increase the flow speed.

My point is that the "flow speed" should not be set by the monetary system but by the will of the people deciding freely whether they want to spend or save their money.

Consumerism, encouraged by demurrage, is unfair to the next generation because it goes against sustainable development.
783  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL Labs ASIC release date - no earlier than February 2013 on: June 28, 2012, 04:20:32 PM
Does anyone know about the forecast power consumption of the BitForce SC 40 GH/s ? I could not find it on the BFL web site ..
784  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: ASIC as a 51% "weapon"... Mmmm... I don't think so... on: June 28, 2012, 04:10:25 PM
You forgot that everyone who has BTC will loose it all when we switch to another alt-currency/hashing function.
Also, if everyone switches to an existing chain like Litecoin then anyone who's already holding that currency will make money. That might be a good way to profit from attacking Bitcoin actually.

That's an interesting thread but the likelihood that such an attack would kill interest in all cryptocurrencies is quite high; So holders of litecoin would still make a very risky investment by attacking bitcoin.
In fact we are back to the Nash equilibrium: it's more profitable to mine bitcoin than to attack it unless you are sitting on an oligopoly like Visa or Mastercard.

However it's not easy for them to attack bitcoin that way because they are public companies and must disclose the attack one way or another (their management is at high risk if they engage in an attack without disclosing it).
If they disclose the attack, then the network can apply countermeasures (even after the attack) and bitcoin comes out on top because an attack by Visa would be a tremendous vindication for bitcoin.
785  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TEDx Talk on what makes a revolution on: June 28, 2012, 03:56:51 PM
IMHO, Bitcoin is more an evolution than a revolution: that's why it's going to have more lasting, changing effects on the economy.

With bitcoin, the money paradigm has gone full circle from commodity money (like cowry or gold) to elastic money (from the renaissance to now) to a new digital commodity money.

786  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: SatoshiDice - Meilleur jeu Bitcoin jamais réalisé! on: June 28, 2012, 03:50:23 PM
c'est un progrès de voir les transactions (grâce à bitcoin) mais il reste que le lancer des dés est opaque (comment je sais si c'est vraiment "random" ?). Donc je vais continuer à ne PAS jouer aux dés..
787  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-06-27 newscientist.com - Freicoin: Occupy's online currency for the 99 per on: June 28, 2012, 09:41:12 AM
Demurrage is a naive way to create artificial velocity by twisting the arm of the unfortunate freicoin holders..

Artificial monetary velocity serves only consumerism. It's as if freicoin advocates would like to hang on forever to the suboptimal elastic money concept.

Arm twisting and arbitrary constraints (why 4.4% demurrage rate why not 10% or 5% ?) are precisely what we are trying to get rid of thanks to bitcoin.
788  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Am I missing something here? on: June 27, 2012, 01:34:27 PM
Perhaps I'm being a bit of a wally, but I'm confused.

I thought the idea of Bitcoin was to cut-out the middleman and have direct payment transfers between sender and receiver.

So why is Bit-Pay flourishing? If we use Bit-Pay the middleman is back again, taking their cut. So we're back where we started. We might as well use Paypal again???

Maybe I'm missing something here?


You may be missing something but you are not alone  Wink
Bitcoin is adding a new liberty (the liberty to conduct financial transactions without a middleman) but bitcoin is not removing any options.

The option to use a middleman for value add services like currency conversion, exchange rate hedging, dispute resolution, escrow and what not is still available to bitcoin users and merchants.
However, for most transactions, the option of using a middleman is not needed nor required.
789  Economy / Economics / Re: Why don't we just create backing for Bitcoin? on: June 27, 2012, 08:35:06 AM
The current value (120 M) of the bitcoin network is dwarfed by the valuation

Heh, I keep seeing that and thinking I missed a huge rally overnight or something.  I'm presuming you are considering all 21 million BTC, even though less than 10 have been issued ...

That's right, I believe the market price reflects the market expectation that the quantity of bitcoins will reach 21 million.
Therefore the correct valuation of the bitcoin network should be even 134 M with today's exchange rate.
However I expect a rally in early december when the reward gets halved because the market is irrational  Wink
790  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Self inflicted [TAX] on: June 26, 2012, 09:30:58 PM
When your salary is deposited to your bank account, the bank becomes the legal owner of your money (even though it's YOUR bank account).
You then have to beg the bank to give you a means of payment to spend it.

You can stop this non sense by asking to be paid partly in bitcoins, directly to your bitcoin address.
The amount could be roughly what you spend in cash. Think of how often you go to the ATM to withdraw cash.
791  Economy / Economics / Re: What's the best answer to this question ? "What is its backing? " on: June 26, 2012, 09:12:59 PM
As this question is normally asked by goldbugs, my answer normally is: "Bitcoin is backed by the same thing that backs gold, that is, nothing." Wink

No "base currency" is backed by anything btw. People that say: "I don't accept a money backed by nothing" don't really know what they're talking about. Base money is by definition not backed by anything.

The argument offered by the advocates of central elastic money goes like this:
1/ central money is the only legal tender to extinguish a fiscal debt
2/ the State has unlimited taxing power over the entire economy ( the implication being that the State has the power to nationalize the entire economy)
3/ therefore, central money is backed by the entire economy.

This is a HUGE fallacy because,unless you live in North Korea, assumption 2 is simply wrong..
Therefore, central money is backed by the limited taxing power of the State enabling lawful confiscation of a fraction of the economy: that leaves a very large chunk of the economy available for another medium of exchange..

To sum things up: let the State enforce elastic money to collect taxes and to provide useful public services and let the people use commodity money like bitcoin to create optimal economic conditions.

792  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is spreading! on: June 26, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
Payment system of the 21st century (bitcoin). Website design from the 20th century..
793  Economy / Economics / Re: Why don't we just create backing for Bitcoin? on: June 26, 2012, 08:52:26 PM
You know, I didn't come up with this model. The dollar used to be backed by gold as well and it indeed served a function and contributed to the credibility of the dollar.

Right, but gold didn't need to backed by silver, or vice-versa, because gold itself is scarce and the paper used for printing the dollar was not.  Therefore the paper had value because it was backed by something scarce.

Bitcoins are scarce.  The existing and future supply is known. They don't need this backing by gold or anything else.
+1

Backing is a requirement for people who cannot think outside of the box of elastic money.
Scarcity and usefulness of the bitcoin technology are enough to give value to the bitcoin network.
The current value (120 M) of the bitcoin network is dwarfed by the valuation of networks such as Visa, MasterCard or even Western Union.
What is backing those networks ?
Bitcoin is only monetizing a fraction of the value of something called the internet.
794  Economy / Economics / Re: Clarke and Dawe - The European Crisis on: June 26, 2012, 08:36:35 PM
"Let's imagine that Greece has an economy!" These guys are always good.

Well the brits don't have one either (if it were not for the City, tax heaven, and the Queeen, tourist attraction, they would be bankrupt like everybody else in Europe but the Germans) but they have real weather..

Let's get rid of this Euro non sense: the Germans go back to the Deutsch Mark, the DM gets so strong the Germans can't export their cars anymore, we are one happy family..
795  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: CNBC: We’re All Slaves to Central Banks THANKS BITCOIN I AM NOT ! on: June 26, 2012, 08:25:35 PM

From the comments and what i find to be true too!

Actually, you have been TAUGHT that deflation is a bad and frigtening thing... But US history tells us that deflation stabilizes prices, promotes savings and sound money, and creates growth that is proportionate to the inflationary policy the Fed has run since 1913. In other words, you were lied to. Just check the numbers for yourself. Deflation is a more sound approach to social fiscal engineering than inflation, but perhaps it would be much wiser to let the market decide, without the gov.



http://youtu.be/q1KnJbBJTE0


Investor's advice at the end of the video: "buy things that are scarce"
Gold (yuck: you get taxes going in and out like there is no tomorrow, at least that is the situation in Europe) or bitcoin (yeah)..
796  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: new!? digital currency pegged to USD, called Kurrenci on: June 26, 2012, 11:36:44 AM
"New" currency.....
797  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Chess and gambling on: June 26, 2012, 10:53:24 AM
My site is only for fun but there is no way I can detect players from using chess computers to cheat.


Chessbase offers this feature: do you have an idea how they can detect cheaters ?
I am guessing they are running chess bots in parallel with the games and looking for similar move patterns but that's a feat given the very large numbers of simultaneous games.
798  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Chess and gambling on: June 26, 2012, 07:46:47 AM
Chessbase is one of the world's largest chess site.
They are selling "ducats" for euros to pay for chess lessons or chess games with grand masters.
Why not get them to offer bitcoins instead of these crummy ducats of theirs.
Damn, I've seen your site under your profile pic "e-ducat.fr" but it wasn't until you mentioned Ducats that I clicked. I'm so slow - ducat is money, so bitcoin == e-money.


I am starting to think that my blog domain name is too cryptic  Wink
799  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interviews for Bitcoin Magazine on: June 25, 2012, 10:36:58 PM
Who cares about Matonis or Takir? Their opinions are on their OWN news all the time already. No need to perpetuate their views again and again and again..

Jon Matonis writes brilliantly and regularly in Forbes online. He must be on the list.
800  Local / Discussions générales et utilisation du Bitcoin / Re: Un FAI qui accepte les bitcoins ? on: June 25, 2012, 10:25:13 PM

Donc si chez FDN, on n'aime pas bitcoin, c'est pas grâve.


C'est pas grave mais c'est embêtant car ça prouve qu'ils n'ont pas compris les enjeux.

ça les gêne que les early adopters de bitcoin aient pu gagner UNE FOIS quelques millions (potentiellement mais ça reste à prouver) alors que les gains des dirigeants de Wall Street et de la City se montent à plusieurs milliards CHAQUE ANNEE !
Bitcoin en tant que monnaie "matière première" est la seule alternative possible et crédible à la monnaie "élastique" qui permet à un petits groupes de financiers de s'enrichir indéfiniment et énormément en confisquant la monnaie.

En dénigrant voire en calomniant les bitcoiners, FDN et les autres se font les alliés objectifs de Wall Street..

Pourquoi ils ne disent pas que l'or ou la retraite par répartition  sont des "Ponzi" ?
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