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1381  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What Value do YOU think bitcoins will be worth once all coins are mined? on: June 24, 2011, 03:38:41 PM
See my signature for my logic of how to calculate what they will be worth.
1382  Other / Off-topic / Re: How many kids do you have? on: June 24, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
My lovely wife and I just celebrated our 7th anniversary. 2 boys: ages 4 and 1.

I also have high hopes that bitcoins will help with education costs, and retirement . . . maybe even early retirement? Smiley

All I need are bitcoins worth $1M each, and I'm set!
1383  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Bet on bitcoin future price here (July 1st, 2011) on: June 23, 2011, 03:14:20 PM
I wish I ran into this thread earlier, but none the less, dacoinminster, I'm happy you've shared your thoughts with us. Your use of the decimal component to set the bid position is simple and clever.

Thanks! There have been some websites which have sprung up to fill this need since I started this thread, but there are still 6 unclaimed bitcoins in the pot, so I updated the thread title to hopefully get some attention that this contract will be ending soon.
1384  Economy / Services / Re: [GIG] Earn BTC for unghosting craigslist ads on: June 23, 2011, 03:10:17 PM
I'm still paying 0.33 USD because it can be hard to find cities without my ad in them Smiley
1385  Other / Off-topic / Re: New BitCoin Comic on: June 22, 2011, 09:31:00 PM
Thanks guys, but ideas are easy (and I have some experience with silly writing). Drawing is what is hard.
1386  Other / Off-topic / Re: New BitCoin Comic on: June 22, 2011, 04:06:04 PM
If anyone have a topic they would like to see in the comic, please feel free to write here Cheesy

Awesome job on these. Here are some topic ideas:

 - The Silk Road (make fun of people who think they are anonymous when sending packages of drugs to their house?)
 - The difficulty your average internet user has grasping the concepts of bitcoin (you've already done some of this, I know)
 - The tendency of the media to get everything wrong when reporting on bitcoin
 - The absurd things which bitcoin makes possible:
       - Can a Nigerian prince blow his inheritance trading securities on a bitcoin black market?
       - Will there be an underground bitcoin "home shopping network" for guns, drugs, and other contraband?
       - Can I kill my neighbor's annoying dog using a bitcoin assassination market?
       - Will people pay online pimps to set up one-night-stands IRL, where no provable prostitution takes place (no money exchanged IRL)?
       - Can I hire somebody in another country to do my job, and collect the difference?
       - Can any 8-year old <insert nationality> idiot-savant create a bitcoin exchange?
 - What is the worst possible use for bitcoins? (toddler sex-slaves, dropped bound and gagged in a dumpster near you?)
      - I personally have two kids, and I can't imagine any way to make that funny. It makes me want to cry.
 - The government pretending that they hate bitcoin, while using it
 - All the *coin spin-off ideas people suggest because they don't like something about bitcoin
 - The absurdly high predictions of what a bitcoin might be worth someday
       - Also, doing the napkin-math behind those predictions, and realizing maybe those estimates might actually be too low
 - The crazy things people will do just to get some bitcoins
 - How the XKCD writer must be so frustrated that he can't make bitcoin jokes since he loves/owns bitcoins and it would be a conflict of interest, but it is the perfect subject matter for his strip

Not all of these things have an obvious joke, but maybe there's something there you can use. Also, your jokes about how obsessive people get about bitcoins and mining never get old. Smiley

Thanks!
1387  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wild trading at tradehill on: June 21, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Of course, MagicalTux has consistently refused to identify the stolen coins in the most recent breach, and many older stolen coins have almost certainly already been unloaded via MtGox by now, and it's not like it would've been difficult for the attacker to have laundered them through services that make it impossible to identify where the stolen coins came from or who has them now so it doesn't matter which service you use... but don't let that stop you from using MtGox's fail as a way to discredit its competitors.

I'm in no way discrediting TradeHill.com - I use them all the time myself, and I think they are great. Just pointing out that if you are getting bargains there (or anywhere else right now), it is because of all the stolen coins.
1388  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BTC/USD futures settled in BTC exchange (alpha version) on: June 21, 2011, 03:41:49 PM
I put in a buy order at $14. Come and get it shorts!

edit: You can only see it if you choose Maturity +30.

KillerStorm, how do we see ALL orders in the order book?
1389  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wild trading at tradehill on: June 21, 2011, 03:21:21 PM
There are a lot of stolen coins out there right now. How much you wanna bet many of them are being unloaded on tradehill as we speak?

If you can stomach profiting from the misfortune of others, go on a buying spree at the pawn shop TradeHill.
1390  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 20, 2011, 11:50:16 PM
http://www.schiffradio.com/

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Today's guest is Donald Norman, co-founder of Bitcoin Consultancy, on why an online digital currency is the monetary system of the future.

Peter has a large following of very savvy investors and this could make a big impact.


Dang premium content. Does anybody have a link to a free version?
1391  Economy / Economics / Re: Please - stop guessing BitCoin prices on: June 20, 2011, 10:02:04 PM

Instead, if you truly believe that BitCoin will be valued at $1000 by 2013 I would love to read your analysis on how you reached that conclusion.

See my signature for my analysis.
1392  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My Plan to Buy Bitcoins During Crash = 40% off all SquareWear Shirts on: June 20, 2011, 09:57:10 PM
I can't resist a 40% off deal. 1 shirt purchased. Basically, the deal paid for my shipping and got me $1 off the $15 shirt. Total cost to me = $14 (1 BTC exactly).
1393  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 20, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
http://kommersant.ru/doc/1656928 (in Russian)

Respectable publication and rather very positive article overall.



Google translate is acting weird when I try to translate that link (translation shows up briefly then disappears). Here is a copy/paste of the translation:



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Neglected currency

Bitcoin - virtual currency, organized on the principle of p2p-networks, known to everyone familiar with torrents. CyberDengui seller receives from the buyer directly, just as users of BitTorrent trackers to share music or movies. The fundamental difference of electronic payment systems or online banking - there is no bank or an organization such as WebMoney, which can track the transaction and, say, report it to special services.

Argued that the system came up with Satoshi Nakamoto Japanese tehnobog. Personality is even more mysterious than the Julian Assange. In the case of the latter can guess what he actually wants, but it at least a real person, even with their sex scandals. Nakamoto also may exist only as texts on the Internet that make apologies ambitious project. In the article "Bitcoin: a peer-to-peer electronic cash system", he says, the modern Internet commerce, trust-based users to a financial institution, which monitors and carries out payment transactions at an impasse. The presence of a third party increases the cost of operations, but the main thing - it is possible to dual-use facilities. And even if the broker is honest, it can attack from the outside.

And because human guru cyberpunk. As soon as Sony Corporation managed to recover after a hacker attack, paralyzing its online services, the criminals went around the protection of electronic services Citigroup, stealing hundreds of thousands of these customers. In response to the arrest of Julian Assange international hacking group Anonymous is attacking payment systems MasterCard, PayPal and Visa, and in addition the bank PostFinance, because payment systems and credit organization blocked the collection of donations to WikiLeaks. Retribution is not gone and Amazon, the project failed to Assange hosting.

NATO declares war on "Anonymous." In early June, Spanish police detain three members of the group. But in a universe of cyberpunk good (if you count its agents servants of the law) does not win. "Challenging Anonymous, you make a terrible mistake - the hackers responsible for the NATO statement .- If you can cut off one of the heads of the hydra, in its place will be ten new. Grab one anonymous - our ranks augmented by ten new".

Against this background and develops Bitcoin. The system actually built not only on trust, but also on methods of cryptography, which provide anonymity of users. The possibility of fraud inherent in it is limited to the algorithms of mathematical probability: the system is stable, while honest users are the majority. A chance that the crooks disrupt stability, such as a drop-down four times zero on the roulette table.

Another key feature. The project is programmed to slow down emissions over time - in circulation will never be more than 21 million bitkoynov (BTC). This restriction shall prevent the devaluation of kibervalyuty. Why 21 million? Nobody knows. Just because the creator decided.

Something similar should appear, according to Alexei Smirnov, CEO of ALT Linux. The vast army of anonymous, which has long been a virtual life is more important than reality, we need a currency that is not tied to government commitments.

Peace Mining

Use the application Bitcoin not harder than any torrent client. Only two buttons - "Send the coin" and "Address Book". Under them - the identification code wallet (set of letters and numbers), its balance sheet, information on incoming and outgoing transfers (status, date and description).

What lies behind austere interface? E-coin is a sequence of digital signatures of buyers and sellers. Each bitkoyn stores all transactions in which he had to participate. A signature can be placed on any bitkoyn, but the recipient of the coin (or more precisely, his computer) and check it rejects the operation if the coin does not belong to you. It can not be sure that the coin was not used by you or someone from the previous owners a few times.

That is theoretically possible to try to spend money that you have already spent up to this: According to Satoshi Nakamoto, it's the only way to fraud in the system (in theory can actually steal and kiberkoshelek, a few files on your hard drive, but it is assumed that the audience is able to protect the personal Bitcoin data). Therefore, computer users and engage in a constant confirmation of transactions. As a result, fair operation form chains. In the event of an attack (if unscrupulous users will confirm fraudulent transactions), the chain fork. Conscientious users by default complement the longest branch of the chain, so the true branch will grow faster, while bona fide computers in the system anymore.

   "I hope that becomes a full bitkoyn payment instrument. I think it's much better than paper money, which impaired the growth of the economy"


Members are involved in the calculations for a reason - act bitkoyny reward. That's how it issues. The amount of remuneration depends on the complexity of which is directly proportional to the total computing power of Bitcoin-community. The more participants in the system, the easier it is to believe the smaller coins goes to everyone. The process is called extraction, in the original - mining. After mining ceases (now in the system of about 6 million coins left to issue another 15 million), the only means of income due to the contribution to the development of the system will collect voluntary committees.

Where did they come from, if there is no charge to intermediaries - one of the principles Bitcoin? The processing of transactions in the system can take a long time, up to several months. To speed up the process, you can translate a little more money than required by the seller, the difference will get the user who will process and confirm this action out of turn. The presence of rewards entices users to honest behavior: production and receipt of commissions profitable fraud.

For the average computer Mining - a bloody sport. Initially it was assumed that bitkoyny will make a processor capacity. One of the Russian miners, Permian programmer Alexander said, "Money," which as the first "mine", he used a regular MacBook. A year ago, with his help it was possible to earn fifty coins for a few days. But it soon became clear that a better fit for mining special processors for floating point operations - such put into the video card. Now, without such "hardware" is not enough - the cost of computing declines rapidly.

In April, the interlocutor "Money" has got AMD Radeon 6870 card for about 7 thousand rubles .- money back within a couple of weeks: Alexander bitkoyny sold at the rate of $ 6.5 for a BTC. There are online calculators that allow you to evaluate the potential income (one of them - www.alloscomp.com / Bitcoin / calculator.php ). Now this calculator will show that even the most powerful graphics card for the day will earn no more than 0,5 BTC.

   "Why can not we assume that the project Bitcoin and created just the U.S. intelligence agencies? The fact that such is the WikiLeaks, I'm sure all these plums were needed the Americans to set fire to Arab arch"


If Alexander waited a couple of weeks have been able to help out more - soon took off course and $ 30 for kibermonetu. At the time of delivery rooms, "Money" was given about $ 20 per coin. Bitcoin apologists say that such jumps were predicted: early system are what makes miners and speculators who buy bitkoyny for resale. With Alexander we communicate in Skype, participates in a conversation one miner - Arsen. He also earns mostly programming, the emergence of Bitcoin regards as the beginning of the financial revolution. "I would speak as part of the economy, benefit from its growth - says the source," Money ".- In general, I hope that becomes a full bitkoyn payment instrument. I think it's much better than paper money, which impaired the growth of the economy. I'm only 20 bitkoynov. Not much, but it's better than a voucher in the era of privatization. " In the last month, Arsene bought four maynerskie card. They are packed in two system units and never switched off. At night they bring about two BTC.

All this stuff is, of course, noisy and hot. On maynerskih forums can be read anecdotal stories. Someone grabbed a dream heat stroke, well at least still alive: the room was a lot of system unit with overclocked cards. To the other, "the miner" raided by the police: power consumption has increased so that the guards suspected him of "growing hydroponics."

Enemies of the State

The official list of online stores that accept the money, can be found at en.bitcoin.it / wiki / Trade . In Silicon Valley, there are already billboards vendors that support kriptovalyutu. The page on Facebook Bitcoin published a photo of one of them: advertised online store of computer hardware memorydealers.com. Starting in the street, the advertising campaign continued in the national radio. Comments to the picture - entirely enthusiastic. Someone wrote: "I hope that something similar will appear at my house in Croatia."

But in fact deserving attention is almost no sales. Russian general, no. Online Stores from the list, which represent at least some interest, and take the traditional payment instruments. To participate in the project Bitcoin - marketing. This is mainly kibervalyutu sell computer hardware and software.

Not so easy to withdraw money from the system, that is, simply, to make bitkoyny in dollars. There is a Japanese Internet Exchange mtgox.com (daily turnover of transactions with bitkoynami recently exceeded $ 1.5 million). The coins can be sold at the current rate, or put your quote and wait for the buyer will be found. Exchange Commission - 0.6%. With mtgox.com money into the system are derived Liberty Dollars. For this will take about another 2%. After that - a bank account through one of the many heat exchangers. This is an expensive operation - 5%. That will have no less than 10%.

But the project only two years. When a virtual means of payment will certainly become widespread, according to Artyom Genkin, executive director of the consulting group "Aspect", a full member of RANS. True, there will be kibervalyuty, which monopolizes the whole market, the expert continues, such are the laws of cyberspace, which gives many a chance, pledging not rule anybody. "Based on the model of emission, the creators of the selected project, I think the system would be to break the traditional audience of peer to peer networks - concludes the interlocutor" Money ".- Will Bitcoin dilute this audience, say, a young yuppie advanced?"

The big question is whether the project will evolve. A week ago, two U.S. senators asked the Justice Department and controlled by his management of drug with a complaint Bitcoin: there is an online shop, Silk Road, he sells drugs (340 species) and pay only bitkoynami.

On that count senators? Example torrents shows that a decentralized system does not destroy. On the human ghost Satoshi Nakamoto from the site Bitcoin push hard. "According to formal criteria (the performance of transactions on the generation or transmission of coins from the computer a resident of a country standing on a desk in an office building within the same country), the power of individual states may try to otlitsenzirovat this system or to blame the lack of a license," - says Artem Genkin . Another possible method of attack on the system, the expert continues, - to catch it mediated a deal to trade in something illegal (by the same illicit drugs).

The system will certainly be subjected to harassment, if it becomes popular, says managing partner "Ashmanov and partners," Igor Ashmanov. "On the other hand, why can not we assume that the project Bitcoin and created just the U.S. intelligence agencies? - Shrugs Ashmanov .- The fact that such is the WikiLeaks, I'm sure all these plums were needed the Americans to set fire to Arab arch" . The assumption is in the spirit of Orwell: freedom - this is slavery, Big Brother is watching us.
   

   
1394  Economy / Marketplace / Re: *Special* 25%-Off Coupon At "I Use Coins" on: June 20, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
I got my shirt - love it!

hey i started my own site with some awesome bitcoin t shirts but you cant use bitcoins any help? You can only pay with credit card or paypal

Maybe try my lazy API: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Lazy_API
1395  Economy / Services / Re: [GIG] Earn BTC for unghosting craigslist ads on: June 20, 2011, 06:31:10 PM
Are you the guy all over craigslist offering to pay for the use of video cards?

Ive spoken with this guy. From what he tells me is that hes running some other distributive project that is not bitcoin. his plan works that you buy the card, and bassed on performace he will send you money. Kinda scamy

I think what I probably said to you is what I say to everyone who asks me if I am mining bitcoins:

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I've lost several workers to bitcoin mining lately; apparently it is quite profitable right now.

Anybody who already knows about bitcoins is of no use to me. People who don't know about bitcoins are of almost no use because it is astoundingly hard to get someone to install software from random stranger on craigslist.

All the folks above are in various stages of posting and getting paid. Thanks everyone!
1396  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox Google Gadget on: June 15, 2011, 10:01:26 PM
Oh wow. I just found a gmail labs feature that lets me put this gadget in my GMAIL sidebar.

Now I have the price up all the time, since my email is up all the time.

Way too cool!
1397  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.5Thash/s) on: June 15, 2011, 07:19:30 PM
slush, how long do we have to switch to api.bitcoin.cz before mining.bitcoin.cz stops accepting work?

I'll switch it today.

Oh NO! Please don't do that. It will take me several days to get all my miners switched to the new server. PLEASE PLEASE give me at least week before you shut off mining.bitcoin.cz!

It takes less than one minute to change the address.

I swear, people have become so lazy now.

I promise, I'm not being lazy. Smiley

The change involves a lot of work in my case which I'm not going to be able to finish that quickly.
1398  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (1.5Thash/s) on: June 15, 2011, 04:10:49 PM
slush, how long do we have to switch to api.bitcoin.cz before mining.bitcoin.cz stops accepting work?

I'll switch it today.

Oh NO! Please don't do that. It will take me several days to get all my miners switched to the new server. PLEASE PLEASE give me at least week before you shut off mining.bitcoin.cz!
1399  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin worse than drugs!!! Friends do not let friends do bitcoins :-) on: June 15, 2011, 03:17:54 PM
I am totally addicted. It was worse when I first found out about bitcoin though. I used to lay awake at night wondering how on earth such an incredible idea could be so unknown. My late-night musings came up with so many scenarios where bitcoin changed the world and became uber-valuable, I eventually had to get involved.

Now that a lot more people agree with that view, I'm not so perplexed, and I see a lot of people implementing the very ideas I came up with.

If I didn't have a boss, wife, and kids, I'd probably be doing more with bitcoin projects myself. As it is, I just try to collect coins and make small donations to world-changing projects.
1400  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lost a Bitcoin? I found one. on: June 15, 2011, 03:06:03 PM
If you've been messing with your wallet.dat file, and "lose" a bitcoin in the process, this tip might help you out.  (This is probably old news for the long timers, but I think this might benefit someone!)

If you start bitcoin with the -rescan option, the block chain is rescanned looking for any bitcoin transactions that pertain to your current wallet.  So make sure you try that!


Here's what I did to lose, and subsequently find, a bitcoin.

 1. I've been running my client program, where I have say 50 Bitcoins.
 2. I ended my client program
 3. I backed up my wallet.dat file, and then renamed it to wallet_50btc.dat
 4. Start the client program, and generate a fresh new wallet with a new wallet ID, new private keys, etc. 
 5. Copy my new Bitcoin Address to notepad
 6. Terminate the client program
 7. Rename wallet.dat to wallet_0btc.dat
 8. Rename wallet_50.dat to wallet.dat
 9. Start the client program.  All looks good, I have 50 Bitcoins.
 10. Pay 1 BTC to my new Bitcoin Address that I had copied to notepad.
 11. Wait for at least 1 confirmation.  (I wanted to make sure that I got my change!). Now my balance is 1 less, i.e. 49 BTC.
 12. Terminate the client program.
 13. Rename wallet.dat to wallet_49btc.dat
 14. Rename wallet_0btc.dat to wallet.dat
 15. Start the client.  The wallet is empty.  Where'd the 1 BTC go?

 (The answer is that it's in a block that was already received and processed (in step 11), and so Bitcoin isn't going to process it again, unless instructed to.  They aren't really lost, they're hidden in the Block Chain, and your client program isn't going to go look for them, unless you tell it to.  The client program thinks it has already processed all those old blocks.)

 To re-find the lost coin:
 16. terminate the client.
 17. run the client with -rescan option.  After processing all the blocks, the 1 BTC shows up in the client.

Hopefully this helps someone find some lost Bitcoins.  If so, I'll gladly accept a cut!
Reference: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Running_Bitcoin



Thanks for posting this info. I sent you a small tip for being awesome and helping out the community.
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