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481  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Getting Bitcoin to the news (love #bitcoin-otc) on: May 19, 2011, 02:16:49 AM
hat
EDIT: Somebody just said that writing on money might be illegal, can anybody confirm this? I'm googling around right now.

It is not.

    Yes, it is called Mutilation of national bank obligations

    United States Code

    TITLE 18 – CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

    PART I – CRIMES

    CHAPTER 17 – COINS AND CURRENCY

    § 333. Mutilation of national bank obligations

    “Whoever mutilates, cuts, defaces, disfigures, or perforates, or unites or cements together, or does any other thing to any bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt issued by any national banking association, or Federal Reserve bank, or the Federal Reserve System, with intent to render such bank bill, draft, note, or other evidence of debt unfit to be reissued, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.”

However, that shouldn't scare you.  Legality exists to continue your enslavement.  Submit or not.

By possessing papers that have graffiti on them does not imply that the defacement was by the current possessor.
482  Economy / Marketplace / Re: xkcd's bitcoin hole on: May 18, 2011, 07:39:26 PM
What is wrong with profiting from his comic strips?  How could that possibly cause exploitation?  What is wrong with profit?  Is he some type of communist?  Why would he open the black hole in the first place?
Perhaps Randall finds himself satisfied with the comics themselves and seeks no other reward. Perhaps he didn't want to make money off of his, albeit less then ostensible, endorsement of Bitcoin, considering that doing so might hurt his credibility. Perhaps, like Bill Waterson, he didn't want to exploit his creation and transmogrify it into another soulless Garfield.
* mizerydearia supports this reply with 0.01 witcoi...oh wait, wrong site.
483  Economy / Economics / Re: What happens when Bitcoins are illegalized in the whole world? on: May 17, 2011, 09:54:37 PM
If bitcoins are illegal in us, then:


If bitcoins are illegal in the entire world, then:


Note: illegalization of bitcoin will help with distribution of water to many landlocked countries whilst flooding others out of existence due to the rapid spread of alpaca sock-wearing cryptoterrorism

If that doesn't work, then:
484  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin across the world on: May 17, 2011, 09:31:07 PM
Here's an update to the image in first post:

1024x512:

1024x1024
485  Economy / Marketplace / You cannot delete your own topics in this board. on: May 17, 2011, 05:48:21 PM
486  Economy / Marketplace / Would you like to see Linode accept bitcoin payments? on: May 16, 2011, 08:54:24 PM
I previouisly and again just now contacted Linode via OFTC #Linode and also a support request.  Each time the response has been the same.

Quote
Unfortunately, we do not currently have any plans to accept bitcoin payments.  At this time we are not planning on or discussing accepting bitcoin payments in the future.

I would like to see Linode accept bitcoin payments and then I would definitely and easily be more capable of ordering more vps environment capacity from them for existing and future projects.

What seems likely to convince Linode to accept bitcoin payments?
487  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Control Panel on: May 14, 2011, 07:47:42 AM
If anyone would like commit access to contribute to this project, feel free to reply with your github account name and I'll add you.
488  Economy / Marketplace / MtGox JSON data capped nearby last exchange price on: May 14, 2011, 01:16:01 AM
http://mtgox.com/code/data/getDepth.php shows data only for amounts less than us$10.00

When questioning MagicalTux "Is there a way I can see the data with no cap?" and "Why is there a cap on the depth view?" his response was "you probably don't want to see the sales at $1000"

I would like to see the unfiltered data, especially for statistical purposes.
489  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: On IRC bootstrapping on: May 13, 2011, 09:14:42 PM
I'm bringing this topic to attention again to continue discussing about bootstrapping methods in which many addresses are currently hardcoded into the Bitcoin client.  Are the hardcoded ip addresses permanently reliable?

How about security concerns such as possibility of those ip addresses being compromised and directed to a fork of bitcoin p2p network?
490  Other / Off-topic / Re: Family Dramas - A Societal Trend Exemplified From My Personal Experiences on: May 12, 2011, 12:47:28 PM
What seems like a reasonable to of response or reaction to this?

FTFM
491  Other / Off-topic / Re: Family Dramas - A Societal Trend Exemplified From My Personal Experiences on: May 12, 2011, 10:22:48 AM
You sound like you're 14

I am not so sure about this.  cuddlefish is 14 and doesn't sound like this.  Therefore perhaps age as a method of stereotyping may not be accurate.
492  Other / Off-topic / Re: Family Dramas - A Societal Trend Exemplified From My Personal Experiences on: May 12, 2011, 08:51:40 AM
Here is a transcript of a most recent SMS / text messaging conversation I endured with teh mom:

Quote
mom: I am thinking of you and remembering when you were little. I wish I could have done more to assure that you could have a happier adult life and with thoughts of me that could make you smile. It seems that for many years now you have had a defense mechanism up whenever it regarded me. I never was and am not your enemy. I love you so much. But because you have made the choice to push my love away today I work towards loving myself more and trying to take care of me.
me: I am happy, especially with knowing of and working with Bitcoin and also libertarianism.
me: I have had a defense mechanism up whenever it regarded initiation of force, control, persuasion, manipulation, etc.
me: "Just accept me for who I am." "I will do whatever I want to do." "Even if I make mistakes and am evil, love me, love me, please! I am your Mom!"
mom however I am not doing as well as I'd like to because of how you have had to suffer. It also bothers me a lot what you said to me when you were here bout if I wasn't your mom you would nothing to do with me and also said I was crazy. I know I am not crazy. also it hurt when you left me walking far behind you at the airport not even allowing me to hug you and say goodbye as I wanted to. I earned the right & I erned your
me: I am crazy. A few people have suggested it to me. I am not foolish or unintelligent to deny such claims. I appreciate people being honest.
me: I appreciate openness and honesty as opposed to beating around the bush. If I make a mistake, I will not oppose and argue, yell, scream, violence with people
me: I will take time to understand what it is that is being communicated to me and recognize and understand perspective from others and attentively listen to them and comprehend what they are saying.
me: Your repeated declaration of earning rights from me are obnoxiously annoying.
mom I cannot use IRC as I have no internet access where I live
me: Mom: I earned rights to control and manipulate you however I want. I AM YOUR MOM. SUBMIT TO ME NOW SLAVE! DO IT! <-- reword thisinnicerwords
me: Mom: You must obey me. STOP. Do not make me chase after you. I SAID STOP. OBEY ME.. DO IT NAO! STOP WALKING AWAY FROM ME!!! OBEY!!!!!! SUBMIT!!!!!!!
mom I never said submit or slave. I do not believe in that.
me: Of course didn't say "submit" or "slave." Instead, you beat around the bush using more friendly words and terms to make your actions seem nicer than they are
mom you are wrong. you havent wanted to know me for a very long time and After this last trip which was a little better for you than the last one I realize that the facts are that you do not want to know me and you do not want to love me. You have shown me that over and over again but I have not wanted to believe it
me: I will repost this conversation on Internet&will continue discussion there. Also, I will respond to every single statement of yours to prove that I'm not wrong
mom fine do what you want to do.are you going grocery shopping with your step dad?

My thoughts on the conversation:

I am uncertain what my mom's initial text message to me was in response to, however, her referencing the idea of her reminiscing of how I was when I was little as a kind of response to not experiencing desirable similarities today is a recurring communication of hers that I have endured many thousands of times.  Generally such examples of communications from her is a kind of reaction to various dramas or conflicts that ensue in which the cause of the drama or conflict is debatable.

There may be similar types of recurring communications that come from me directed towards her that may be similar, and if so, I would like to better recognize and learn what they are (perhaps from my input from my mom) so that my perspective isn't targeting specifically my mom, but more so, targeting the statements that spark, cause or contribute towards dramatic conversations and/or experiences.

I believe it would have been in my best interest to not respond as I did, however, I still have much foolishness and craziness within my brains.

My comments on a specific experience that occurred while I was in San Francisco about two weeks ago:

Amongst various dramas throughout the 'vacation' (if it can be called that, which I am not sure, since I wasn't free to enjoy my time as I wanted and instead had to enjoy my time as my mom sought fit and had planned out and throughout the various inconveniences to her plans caused quite a lot of obnoxiousness on her part even within Noisebridge environment, where others were able to notice such obnoxiousnesses as well) there was a kind of turning point that drove me quite overwhelmed and desiring of yet another escape (or vacation from a vacation).  Specifically that turning point came from a communication from my mom directed towards me suggesting the idea of never having me and I think then having more peaceful life or something.  I forgot the specific wording she used.  At that moment I was far too overwhelmed to continue simply "accepting her for who she is" and letting her do wtfever she wants justifying it with "accept me for who I am" statements.  My initial response was to walk around a couple blocks, which I did.  As I returned, my mom then went on a walk of her own still in her own rage.  I decided to continue the rest of my vacation without her continued influence, control and manipulation.  I grabbed my backpack and began walking towards her to say my goodbyes or at least give her an opportunity to recognize that I wanted to endure the rest of my vacation at my own efforts and without her influence, manipulation or control.  As I reached her and collaborated for a few minutes, her communications were still effortfully considering preserving a kind of control of things and me and that I should be more considerate and respectful to her, even through her abusive statement that triggered me to react devastatingly or depressedly.  I waited for my mom to turn and walk away before I did so.  she then turned and walked away back to her vehicle.  I then promptly turned and continued walking away in the opposite direction.  Then after less than a minute, without turning around, she had been calling after me and then chasing me.  I was walking a normal and even a bit slower pace; slower to be a bit considerate of my mom due to her poor health.  I knew she would chase after me as long as she was able to, but would eventually give up due to restlessness after 15-20 seconds.  I wasn't playing or fucking with her though.  I was simply walking away to endure the rest of my time in San Francisco without her continued influence, manipulation and control.  After walking kinda slow-pacedly for about 15-20 minutes or so, she managed to catch up with me.  I didn't stop though.  She was worn out.  She begged and pleaded with me to stop suggesting that I was causing her to be in much pain.  Apparently she was under the impression that I must rely on her to survive within San Francisco, CA and that I am unable to be responsible for myself.  Before she had made such vile statement towards me that triggered me to abandon her evilness, we were about to go eat somewhere.  So, as she caught up with me, she put forth effort into convincing me to accept her for who she is in exchange for getting food.  After liek 20-30 minutes, she manipulatingly convinced me to accept her generous offer of foods I believe in exchange for her supposed "I earned the right & I erned your" statement.  She bought foods for me (amongst a plethora of other motherly things she has 'done' for me) therefore she earned the right for me to submit to her, "accept her for she is" regardless of how evil, corrupt, manipulative, unintelligent or "crazy" she is.  To this day, I am foolish, crazy, or not disciplined enough to not be tricked into accepting her prizes, gifts or rewards (generosities) in exchange for her continued and preserved ability to influence, direct, teach, persuade, manipulate and control me, which usually stems from statements such as "I taught you better" or "I am thinking of you and remembering when you were little. I wish I could have done more to assure that you could have a happier adult life and with thoughts of me that could make you smile."  which probably means "I am thinking of you and remembering when you were little, naive and susceptible to punishment and discipline to control and manipulate you to my wildest desires and fantasies." <-- note: bias

Question to the public (you):

mom: "I realize that the facts are that you do not want to know me and you do not want to love me."

This statement from my mom is one declaring a realization of facts.  It is not a statement of actual facts.  Note that this statement is one that is related to "beating around the bush" or using wordplay.  Is my mom using such a statement to indicate that one fact is that I do not want to know my mom?  As I try to decompile this statement communicated from my mom and try to establish a fundamental idea of what she meant and also derive meaning beyond a kind of programmatic meaning generally understood without critical thinking, I am uncertain how to proceed.  Disregarding the declaration of "fact" her statement is suggestive of the idea that I do not want to know my mom.

There are characteristics/traits of my mom that I highly and immensely dislike and despise and I have openly and honestly communicated those things to her.  Her response to my such communications to her is generally "just accept me for who I am" and also "I realize that the facts are that you do not want to know me and you do not want to love me."

What seems like a reasonable to of which if that how at is on in response or reaction to this?
493  Other / Off-topic / Family Dramas - A Societal Trend Exemplified From My Personal Experiences on: May 12, 2011, 07:56:05 AM
Hi World,

I would like to use this thread as an opportunity to interact with my family in seemingly personal context in a rather open and public context so as to better learn how to handle or resolve (or not) dramatic types of experiences; in my experiences, all experiences have dramatic influence.

Please be advised that this thread may contain controversial or offensive contents and is not safe for noncritical thinkers, trolls or individuals who endure sexual gratification from drama or controversy.  Also, my posts to this thread will be in a context specific to my family or experiences, which may be conceptually similar to experiences of others.

l3estest l2egardedsness,
Miz
494  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the CIA on: May 12, 2011, 05:24:14 AM
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Cia got bin ladin.  Woot.

ya .. dead .. until his next wikileaks interview showing him having a wonderful dinner with those whom 'killed' him.

Usamah bin Ladin has been dead since 2001.  See http://breaking.witcoin.com/p/1476/Osama-bin-Laden-already-died-in-2001 and http://breaking.witcoin.com/p/1549/Statement-From-the-Family-of-Osama-bin-Laden

Note: scientifically symbolic Earth object is much larger than usa matter and voices of creatures existing within us contamination zone as led or influenced by president and/or government control is not necessarily worldwidely recognized or accepted due to immunity of the related diseases including, but not limited to manipulative or brain dissolving gmos. -- This message brought to you courtesy of Disney.

Note: Agreeing with and propogating through acceptance and agreement with story that OBL was buried in h2o on May 1st, 2011 is a method of defense allowing individuals to prevent from being kidnapped and tortured due to spreading information that conflicts with and competes with propagandas.  Save your life by keeping your head down and submitting!  Spread propaganda today!  Also, carrot > bitcoin!

Gavin... don't touch any of their hookers and blow :-p

He already has us$3k worth of influence or incentive.  Although, Gavin's willingness to present or discuss bitcoin for x monies is negotiable.  For example, would Gavin be willing to present to CIA for us$0?  Would he be willing to present to CIA for us$1,000,000,000?  Would the difference in Gavin's presentation be affected by the amount of monies he has received?  e.g. us$0 vs us$3,000 vs us$1,000,000,000?  If so, does the amount of money provided as a kind of influence have any association or affiliation with the level of corruption or incentive to manipulate and intervene with Gavin's time and efforts through money?

In any case, regardless of Gavin's singular existence participating with organized crime/corruption/terrorism, as Gavin pointed out, Bitcoin's success is not reliant on any leader that has potential of being corrupted.  Even if Gavin becomes evil and contributes to stuff liek at http://death.witcoin.com/ Bitcoin will survive and thrive, but not deprive you to stay alive with jive and arrive with vive wive to swive and stive and skively rive and then revive the live of wife, her to shrive of your strive to slively drive a hive of five that i've yet to see dive and derive a shive on a smartdrive. O_O
495  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: SF Hackerspace: Noisebridge - A Bitcoin Rejection on: May 12, 2011, 03:16:52 AM
https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Bitcoin

Controversy
"Bitcoins are an enormously stupid Ponzi scheme that no self respecting hacker should touch with a 10 foot grounded pole."



For some reason, promoting this type of information makes me no longer interested in donating to Noisebridge*.  I shall direct my donations somewhere else.

* Noisebridge is the resistance
496  Economy / Marketplace / Re: xkcd's bitcoin hole on: May 11, 2011, 08:40:29 AM
Quote
It was a really smart move.

In a bizarro world maybe ... in the real world he dumped $50,000 on a couple of pizzas. Time to get real?

This made me research briefly and find http://mykindred.com/cloud/TX/Documents/dollar/
497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Milwaukee Makerspace's response to Bitcoin on: May 11, 2011, 07:50:57 AM
This is interesting concept:
Quote from: Ross Oldenburg
I agree with Matt.  These two things come off very differently:

1. "Do you accept Bitcoin?  See <link> and <link>."

2. "I am a member of the Bitcoin community and I think it would be of great benefit for Milwaukee Makerspace to get involved with it for reasons X, Y, and Z.  If you're unfamiliar with it, it is <explanation>.  Please see <link> and <link> for more information."

#1 is, as Matt pointed out, designed to illicit a controversial response.  That's what trolling is.  It's like posting "WHO IS JOHN GALT" everywhere.

#2 is making your case and is much more likely to engage people in less frenetic and less emotional debate.  Keep in mind that we are a group of tinkerers and entrepreneurs, not digital revolutionaries or open source freedom fighters.  Some of us are, but not the group as a whole.

We really are open to any and all ideas, but you need to expect some skepticism and inquiry (and even negativity) if all you're doing is promoting a cause and asking the group to adopt a policy at large without providing reasons why it's a good idea.  Some of us are very passionate people, but don't be dissuaded from getting involved with MMS just because we want to have a discussion.  We're really not that scary!

Again, sorry for going overboard earlier.  Nobody meant any offense.

Also
Quote from: Matt Gauger
I actually don't think his initial question was intended to inflame a negative response, but it was not followed up with proper explanation.

Pete Prodoehl has very successfully asked photographers all over Flickr and the internet if they would consider Creative Commons licensing their photos. His question is nearly the same as Mizery's initial question.

I recognize or understand now that my initial wording (or lack thereof)
Quote from: Mizery De Aria
Does Milwaukee Makerspace accept Bitcoin donations?  See http://weusecoins.com/ and http://bitcoin.org/
is contributory towards resulting in a oppositional or conflicting type of response.

I should have put more effort, time and description of my personal background as well as background or information of Bitcoin so as to produce or create a more accomodating, comforting or accepting type of atmosphere or influence.  My apologies.

Note, this response from me is not sarcastic.

Quote from: Pete Prodoehl
It is worth mentioning that Mizery De Aria asked the same question to the DHMN list 1 minute after he asked this list.

I don't know if he sent emails to 2 lists today, or 200, or 2000.... He may just be an excited evangelist of the technology. Does he live in Wisconsin? Near Milwaukee? Near Appleton? Dunno... Maybe he's doing a poll of all sorts of people/groups about their Bitcoin acceptance.

As for Creative Commons... Did I do that!? Wow, I must be awesome...

I contacted both Milwaukee and Appleton hackerspaces, particular because I recently lived in Appleton for 6.5 years and am now living in Milwaukee.  Also, I recently visited San Francisco and experienced hackerspaces for the first time.  Since that experience, I have been excited to learn more about hackerspaces and makerspaces nearby where I live.  Since I also have been massively excited about Bitcoin for the last year (since first /. article), that's pretty much all I talk about nowadays is bitcoin, whether it's on the Internet or in person.  This may seem obnoxious that many of my communications or efforts are bitcoin-related, however, I am enthusiastic about it and it doesn't seem to be evilly influenced, which are things that I am not excited about at all.

Also, I updated original post with link to a map from http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2346.0 showing where bitcoin nodes around the world are located, to give a better perspective of how distributed bitcoin is.
498  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Milwaukee Makerspace's response to Bitcoin on: May 10, 2011, 07:10:10 PM
Respond to:
Quote from: Adam Cohen
Well as someone that doesn't understand bitcoin, how do you control the value of the currency to say, guard against inflation? What are these "counterfeiting privileges to the banksters"?  Do you mean the Federal Reserve?  This bank serves a very important purpose, and the power it has to regulate the dollar has saved our asses before.  And how does a new currency prevent "no more austerity measures for the ppl of the world".  Please explain for my benefit.  There is no drama here.  I want to learn.
499  Economy / Marketplace / Re: xkcd's bitcoin hole on: May 10, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
I agree.  Bitcoins are practically worthless.  You're welcome to donate to me for funs at 1FUnsgadFy5ZkM2w8Si1DUhi4QMwg71Zyi
500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Milwaukee Makerspace's response to Bitcoin on: May 10, 2011, 04:42:06 PM
http://groups.google.com/group/milwaukeemakerspace/browse_thread/thread/17ad4a5de564b0d5

Quote from: Adam Cohen
I had never heard of bitcoin. But now that I've read about it, it seems like a pretty bad idea.
Quote from: Brent Bublitz
It does seem a little unnecessary considering PayPal and all the other micropayment systems that are out there.
Quote from: Ross Oldenburg
I think it's yet another example of "I know things like this already exist, but my way is better because it's shinier and it's 'decentralized'".  Just think of how much innovation there would really be on the Internet if people would stop reinventing the wheel because they think theirs is more round... </cynicism>
Quote from: Brent Bublitz
Innovation comes by building on the work that came before and deciding that the status quo is not good enough. Paypal was just a reinvention of money-moving services like western union and such. What you have to do is find where an idea is lacking or limited in some way and fix it. In this case Bitcoin does not really address any existing problems and makes the process slightly more complicated.

My troll-liek instinct kicked in, and I became very afraid...  I'm still afraid.  So, I don't want to contribute to the mailing list thread any longer. =/
Quote from: Mizery De Aria
I won't bother participating in this discussion further as I sense it may result in a kind of yet another dramatic troll-liek conversation/discussion involving those that understand and/or accept bitcoin versus those that do not understand and/or do not accept bitcoin.

Possible contents worthy of checking out:

http://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
http://blip.tv/file/4771178
http://weusecoins.com/
http://media.witcoin.com/
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=https://smsz.net/btcStats/bitcoin.kml
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