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961  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Saturday Morning Breakfast Club / Topatoco.com on: August 23, 2010, 10:27:46 PM
Saturday Morning Breakfast Club / Topatoco.com

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Do you accept Bitcoin for products purchased from your store?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10910#msg10910

Awaiting response...

Note: Contact topatoco.com directly instead.
962  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Ctrl+Alt+Del / SplitReason.com on: August 23, 2010, 10:16:17 PM
Ctrl+Alt+Del / SplitReason.com

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Do you accept Bitcoin for products purchased from your store?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10908#msg10908

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No we do not.  Just Visa, Mastercard and Paypal.

Nate Stoltz, Split Reason Clothing Inc., http://www.splitreason.com, nate@splitreason.com
963  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Penny Arcade on: August 23, 2010, 10:13:17 PM
Penny Arcade

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Do you accept Bitcoin for products purchased from your store?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10906#msg10906

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964  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / xkcd on: August 23, 2010, 10:07:15 PM
xkcd

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Do you accept Bitcoin for products purchased from your xkcd store?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10903#msg10903

On an unrelated note, it would be AMAZING if xkcd were to produce a comic dedicated to Bitcoin!

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Hello,

No, we don't : /  We only accept credit/debit cards and PayPal.

best,
Matthew Smoot
xkcd order wrangler
965  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / DeviantArt on: August 23, 2010, 09:56:59 PM
DeviantArt

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Do you accept Bitcoins as payment for your premium membership service or photo prints products?

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10901#msg10901

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Hello. Smiley

Thank you for contacting deviantART. I'm sorry but the only payment options available are those shown on the checkout page.

If you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Thank you,

Chris Price
Customer Service Representative
deviantART, Inc.
www.deviantART.com
966  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / ThinkGeek.com on: August 23, 2010, 09:45:13 PM
ThinkGeek.com

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You are now chatting with 'Rob'
Rob: Hi, how can I help you?
Mizery De Aria: Do you accept Bitcoins as a method of payment for your products?
Rob: We do not. We only accept major debit or credit cards, PayPal, and check or money orders.
Mizery De Aria: Do you know if there is any consideration or research into potentially accepting Bitcoins for payment for your products?
Rob: At this point I don't believe there is, no.
Rob: Is there anything else we can do to assist you?
Mizery De Aria: Is it possible you may escalate the idea of accepting Bitcoin and perhaps researching whether or not it is viable for your business?
Rob: I will bring it to the attention of our web development team, you bet!
Mizery De Aria: Thank you. That is all. ^_^
Rob: Have a great day!!!
Mizery De Aria: Actually, last thing: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10897#msg10897
Mizery De Aria: You too!
967  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / bandcamp.com on: August 23, 2010, 09:43:32 PM
bandcamp.com

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Do you accept Bitcoins as payment for your services?

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968  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Collaborative Writing For Yet Another /. Article? on: August 23, 2010, 09:40:44 PM
See http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10888#msg10888 for idea/concept.

Here's a start:

someone writes
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Bitcoin

Actually, I have no idea how to start this.  I am not so skilled at writing.  Anyone care to conceptualize a kind of story that may be worthy, exciting, stimulating, insightful, etc for a /. article in relation to "other services where anonymity is paramount, and where Bitcoin may be a good fit?"
969  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / ipredator.se on: August 23, 2010, 09:30:57 PM
ipredator.se

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Do you accept Bitcoin payment for your services?  If not, then you should consider it!

http://bitcoin.org
irc.freenode.net / #bitcoin-dev

hint: Winnar is me.
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1: I had contacted ipredator.se
1: no response from ipredator.se
2: hrm... too bad. but maybe they're thinking about it... or maybe your email went to spam.
3: ill just be very patient then or something
2: 1: here's a suggestion: make a nice writeup about how great of a match bitcoin+ipredator would be... and try submitting it as an article to slashdot.
1: I am contemplating something like that, but I would like assistance in the write up ^_^
1: And not just for ipredator, but for others too.
2: hm yea
2: 1: well if you do the first draft, i'll help you out from there.

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#?: if your writeup is more general, talking about other services where anonymity is paramount, and where bitcoin may be a good fit, maybe that'll have an even better chance of making it
970  Other / Off-topic / Re: Introducing Cyclos - an Open Source complementary currency software on: August 23, 2010, 09:00:54 PM
mm, BETS seems interesting

Maybe Satoshi could sponsor such an establishment by offering use of http://bets.bitcoin.org?

Satoshi : Any comments on this idea?
971  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, will you put your things where your mouth is? on: August 23, 2010, 08:46:42 PM
Oh, so that language was referring to hotlinking? Why not say that directly?

This has been answered already.

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The reason I do not state specifically "no image hotlinking!" is there are many other site linkings that are for nefarious purposes that would make an exhaustive list impossible. One example that comes to mind is the attempted database injections (which require unauthorized linking and/or access to the site) all of last week that were thwarted by my good filtering code, coding practices and other counter measures.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
I do not see reference to "link" (2 unrelated string matches) in same context in eBay user agreement.

"eBay image hosting" search results

http://www.inkfrog.com/terms.html - no mention of "link" here
http://imageshack.us/content.php?page=rules
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ImageShack allows unlimited bandwidth for uploaded files when they are viewed from our landing page at all times. If an image is hotlinked or linked directly, it will have an hourly bandwidth limit only during peak time (6AM-3PM PST). Premium users have no bandwidth limits.

If any domain hotlinks to abusive files, any file hotlinked on that domain will display this image, and the domain's owner must ensure the quick removal of all files hotlinked from ImageShack on that domain. Domains containing the phrases "toplist", "topsites", "porn", or "hentai" are banned regardless of abuse.

http://photobucket.com/terms
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Photobucket Services, including collecting usernames, user id numbers, and/or email addresses of Users by electronic or other means for the purpose of sending unsolicited email or unauthorized framing of or linking to the Site, or employing third-party promotional sites or software to promote profiles for money, is prohibited.

However, pages on other web sites that display content hosted on Photobucket must provide a link from each photo or video back to its page on Photobucket.  Photobucket reserves the right to take appropriate legal action for any illegal or unauthorized use of the Photobucket Services.

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/rules.php - no mention of "link" here

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I can only promise to be reasonable and do the right thing.
 - I can relate to this, but I can also understand how this statement will not be accepted by some people and therefore cause more effort to be pursued in establishing terms of service/user agreement.

semyazza : Don't get stressed out over issues like this if you are. ^_^
972  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do You Accept Bitcoin? on: August 23, 2010, 07:16:59 PM
Gah, I am experiencing such horrendous system lag and instability that I lost the connection and will try again once I figure out what is causing my system to fail.
973  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / NewEgg on: August 23, 2010, 07:04:15 PM
NewEgg

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02:00:10 PM :  Connected with Vanna. Your reference number for this chat session is 1775513.
02:00:10 PM :  Hello my name is Vanna. How may I help you today?
02:00:34 PM : Mizery De Aria: Do you accept Bitcoins as payment for your products/services?
02:01:48 PM : Vanna: I would be glad to assist you with that. Our payment methods include Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover. You can also pay using Newegg Preferred Account, Newegg Gift Card, Bill Me Later, Paypal, Check, or Money Order. Please be advised that no international credit cards are accepted and Canadian credit cards can only be used on Newegg.ca.
02:02:43 PM : Mizery De Aria: Do you know if there is any consideration or research into potentially accepting Bitcoins for payment for your products/services?
02:03:43 PM : Vanna: Is it a kind of credit card?
02:05:00 PM : Mizery De Aria: No, it is a peer-to-peer network based digital currency. http://bitcoin.org

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04:04:51 PM :  Connected with Sophie. Your reference number for this chat session is 1776033.
04:04:51 PM :  Hello my name is Sophie. How may I help you today?
04:05:04 PM : Mizery De Aria: I lost my connection to previous chat session 1775513
04:05:30 PM : Mizery De Aria: My last message that I sent was "No, it is a peer-to-peer network based digital currency. http://bitcoin.org" and I missed everything that was said afterwards. Are you able to relay what I missed?
04:07:21 PM : Sophie: I would be glad to further assist you since your chat was disconnected with Vanna. How may I assist you with?
04:07:45 PM : Mizery De Aria: Are you able to relay any messages she had sent to me that I missed?
04:08:27 PM : Sophie: She sent you nothing as your chat was discounted.
04:08:36 PM : Sophie: disconnected*
04:08:50 PM : Mizery De Aria: Okay.
04:09:04 PM : Mizery De Aria: I will ask again with you then.
4:09:05 PM : Mizery De Aria: Do you accept Bitcoins as payment for your products/services?
04:10:02 PM : Sophie: Our payment methods include Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover. You can also pay using Newegg Preferred Account, Newegg Gift Card, Bill Me Later, Paypal, Check, or Money Order. Please be advised that no international credit cards are accepted and Canadian credit cards, Paypal and American Express can only be used on Newegg.ca.
04:10:34 PM : Mizery De Aria: Do you know if there is any consideration or research into potentially accepting Bitcoins for payment for your products/services?
04:11:57 PM : Sophie: Unfortunately, we are not given such information. Once Bitcoins is considered as our payment, it will be posted on our site. You may check the site online.
04:13:58 PM : Mizery De Aria: I believe that is all other than one more question. Do you know which department I, or someone else, may contact to discuss future potential for accepting Bitcoin as a method of payment?
04:15:52 PM : Sophie: You can send an email to one of our customer service agent and we will forward it to our related team
04:16:32 PM : Sophie: My email address is Sophie.Y.Wang@newegg.com.
04:16:32 PM : Sophie: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
04:17:18 PM : Mizery De Aria: That is all. Thank you Sophie! ^_^

I followed up with an email:
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To: Sophie.Y.Wang@newegg.com
Subject: Bitcoin

Hello Sophie,

  Sophie: You can send an email to one of our customer service agent and we will forward it to our related team

  http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=909.msg10863#msg10863

Sincerely,
Mizery

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Dear Customer,

Thank you for this information. I have forwarded your email to our related department to consider. If interested, they will most likely contact you at the email address you wrote us from.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please visit our FAQs page. If you still need assistance, please feel free to email me directly and I will be happy to assist you.
 
Your friend from Newegg,
Sophie Wang

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Dear Customer,

I was informed by our related department that at the present time we are not looking for any new payment options. Thank you for your suggestion.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please visit our FAQs page. If you still need assistance, please feel free to email me directly and I will be happy to assist you.
 
Your friend from Newegg,
Sophie Wang
974  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Do You Accept Bitcoin? on: August 23, 2010, 06:59:27 PM
Do you accept Bitcoin?

Not at this time / No determined interest
Ctrl+Alt+Del / SplitReason.com
DeviantArt
NewEgg
ThinkGeek.com
xkcd

No response
bandcamp.com
ipredator.se
Penny Arcade
PokerStars.com
Saturday Morning Breakfast club

Not contacted yet
AppleGeeks.com
Cyanide & Happiness
Etsy.com
Girls With Slingshots (mention donations in Bitcoin)
MegaGear.com
Topatoco.com


Notes:
- I realize asking same question "Do you accept Bitcoin?" over and over seems repetitive and is also obvious (in most/all) cases that it is not accepted.  However it is a simple, short question that may be useful to introducing Bitcoin without writing too much.  KISS in effect.

Update: Perhaps I can pursue another approach besides asking if Bitcoin are accepted; something informational presenting Bitcoin; something similar to http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=804.0  Actually, I think asking if they accept Bitcoin is helpful enough to introduce existence of Bitcoin and potentially incentivize researching without any expressed effort on my part.  It is also likely that by asking or otherwise mentioning Bitcoin from only one person or a couple persons will not produce enough incentive to do anything about it, but if enough interrest is accumulated, perhaps then there will be more consideration to establish accepting Bitcoin.  I, for one, would put forth extra effort to buy things simply because of acceptance of Bitcoin.

975  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's implementations on: August 23, 2010, 06:22:15 PM
We're trying to reverse engineer the protocol so we can create custom clients, that will work together on the main network, to create some competition, and to allow for lighter clients running on a wider range of devices.

I'm personally against forking the network for each client as it segments the network, in the meantime weakening the main network. I don't see the objection about failing clients to be actually to comply with the protocol to cause problems, because if we don't exercise all possible scenarios, someone sooner or later will come along and cheat the others. It's about strengthening the protocol by checking the boundaries, and it's better that we expose these issues to the developers of the various clients, than someone abusing and keeping the issue silent.

Reverse engineering will occur and regardless of satoshi's desire to have dominant control over the one and only [multiplatform] client, this will seemingly and ultimately ruin some things.  I am not sure of the legality, but I do know that if there a kind of legality enforced, I would lose all interest in mainstream Bitcoin client and would expect a fork, if at all possible.

However, if things were to be more open and documentation were made available, that would truly help to establish the Bitcoin community much more exponentially and bring incentive for others to create clients for other architectures or environments, such as embedded devices, mobile/portable devices and everywhere and when that happens, Bitcoin client everywhere will be very helpful to increase adoption.

Right now, as it shows very well, there is very limited developer effort put into development of Bitcoin.  This is gradually increasing and there are very skilled/talented developers that are contributing a LOT and amazing code, but, more is better.  More eyes to examine the code, but more importantly, more eyes to understand how things work, e.g. documentation, is much more helpful than reverse engineering an understanding of how things work by looking at code.
976  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / UNKNOWN EXCEPTION: bitcoin in CMyApp OnUnhandledException on: August 23, 2010, 06:03:00 PM
Bitcoin 0.3.10 for 64-bit linux : reproducable always

When I close Bitcoin (e.g. file -> exit in gui) the following appears.  How come?

Code:
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UNKNOWN EXCEPTION      
bitcoin in CMyApp::OnUnhandledException()

Perhaps this would be useful to file as a bug report instead of a forum post?  Do we have a bug tracker yet?
977  Other / Off-topic / Re: Introducing Cyclos - an Open Source complementary currency software on: August 23, 2010, 05:46:52 PM
There is no need to reinvent the wheel - there are existing tools that are available within the LETS community which could be modified for bitcoins.

http://communityforge.net/how%20community%20online

Thanks for the reference!  I wasn't aware of that.

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However it appears there is a need to reinvent the wheel due to control over the underlying software/system as well as required reciprocal gifting.

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Cforge is a Drupal application which uses around 30 publically contributed 'modules' + one private 'glue' module.

I am familiar/semi-skilled with Drupal and can implement an equivalent and offer using open source, however, I am also not sure that using Drupal is best environment to implement for.

Additionally, to use Community Forge in a kind of Bitcoin established LETS system that is to be used by local communities as their own system, seems like it could establish into a lot of work unnecessary or potentially costly work for Community Forge.  This is so because the Community Forge system is a service offered instead of a product (software) offered to let the community handle the service for themselves.

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The only comparable service to our is Community Exchange Systems (CES) based in South Africa.

Perhaps a third competitor, but primarily based on implementing functionality with Bitcoin, and one that is released/distributed as open source would be worthy?  If anyone is interested in establishing this idea, perhaps I can help to create/establish a community to develop this under.  Any ideas for a name?

-

I just noticed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Exchange_Trading_Systems and I see that there are more than two competitors, and Cyclos is one too.
978  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / bugs, domination and locking... oh my! on: August 23, 2010, 05:29:20 PM
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<Insti> necrodearia the market updates seem to have stopped.<necrodearia> Insti: I think it is related to all of a sudden since sometime yesterday Bitcoin started hogging an extra 3-5khash/sec and slowing my system to a crawl, including my webserver.
<necrodearia> I am not sure what could affect it.  I am running same version of client as I was previously and I haven't changed any system settings or softwares.
<necrodearia> Although, a couple days ago X desktop crashed and I had to restart things, and maybe some software that I had updated previously are now running as a new version than was before.
<necrodearia> anonymous: Have you discussed with satoshi or others regarding the bug you discovered?
<anonymous> nope
<anonymous> there is no bugtracker :p
<Insti> what was the bug?
<anonymous> a bug crashing linux client
<warner> necrodearia: are you maybe running two simultaneous copies?
<anonymous> and crashing windows thread
<necrodearia> warner, No, I am running only one instance of Bitcoin.
<necrodearia> I have previously tried running two instances of Bitcoin and I noticed that one of the instances dominated with ~95-99% generation rate, whilst the other suffered with 1-5% generation rate.  There was no equilibrium.
<warner> yay db locking
<necrodearia> Each instance had their own .bitcoin directory, both run as separate users.
<necrodearia> separate/different
<necrodearia> In a premature previous attempt over a month ago I had ran two instances as same user, one instance compiled to use different ports, and in doing so I had corrupted the database file.
<warner> ah, so boo no db locking Smiley
<necrodearia> If db locking is implemented now, it was before db locking.

bugs: satoshi, I am not certain of best methods for disclosing details of bugs, exploits, however, it seems that there may not be a recognizable way in doing so?  Maybe email is not suitable for such things?  In any case, perhaps pming anonymous (or for them to pm you) would be helpful to resolve the bug asap.  It seems serious and there has been a publicly disclosed crash output that can potentially be used by malicious others to reverse engineer and reproduce the method to crash and cause serious havoc on other Bitcoin users.

domination: I am running `nice -n 19 ./bitcoin -server -4way` on linux system.  For a while I hadn't observed any system performance issues, but since sometime yesterday it has been very noticeable and slowing my system to a crawl.  I am not sure how to diagnosse the issue other than that closing Bitcoin client resolves the system instability.

locking: Is there an implementation to lock the associated database file when an instance of Bitcoin is running?
979  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Development of alert system on: August 23, 2010, 09:00:51 AM
Automatic update for linux is far more difficult than for windows considering in windows installation of software across different versions of windows is fairly similar and has practically same hierarchy of file structure.  This is not the case across different distributions of linux.

However, automatic update is not recommended.  An alert indicator to notify the user to take action is best.  Perhaps the bitcoind version can be configured to send an email alert to a specified email address in the config file as an extra step for alerting/notification.
980  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, will you put your things where your mouth is? on: August 23, 2010, 08:53:27 AM
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