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141  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ♔ RUSTYRYAN's 3.0% Weekly Term Deposits ♔ on: October 08, 2012, 01:49:52 AM
Back OT, Any updates? following this story, Hoping for a happy ending

there is already a happy ending; just ask ryan how happy he is right now.

About as happy as you are with all the coin you made by helping to perpetuate pirate's ponzi scheme?

no, much much happier than that.

But why? By all accounts he successfully stole far less money than you Wink
142  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ♔ RUSTYRYAN's 3.0% Weekly Term Deposits ♔ on: October 08, 2012, 01:46:21 AM
Back OT, Any updates? following this story, Hoping for a happy ending

there is already a happy ending; just ask ryan how happy he is right now.

About as happy as you are with all the coin you made by helping to perpetuate pirate's ponzi scheme?
143  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 08, 2012, 12:55:20 AM
...just curious on references if possible to the SEC knowingly investigating GLBSE, I''d be very curious to become educated on that and any other threads/information regarding SEC or government involvement other than just what Nefarios said.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112438.0

http://pastie.org/4791945/wrap

This is just an investigation on BCTST not GLBSE... This is to find out everyone who was a victim of BCTST both directly and indirectly through pass throughs, this has nothing to do with an investigation on GLBSE.

They MAY decide to investigate GLBSE after the BCTST investigation, but these investigators are already busy with another investigation.  They typically do not multitask on whitecollar crimes.
When people phoned them they were asking questions about GLBSE as well and were clearly very interested in the exchange. I think BitcoinINV was saying that he'd been told action was likely to be taken against GLBSE.
144  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Dank Bank Deposits - dank soul guarantee - 1.2%-2.0% weekly on: October 08, 2012, 12:49:05 AM
You could hold it in Somalia, I guess.  They're infrastructure has fallen apart so you wouldn't have to worry too much about legal issues.  And I'm sure that their citizens would welcome some free entertainment.

Y'know, a mind like Dank's might take that idea seriously  Cheesy
145  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 08, 2012, 12:30:56 AM
There's no reason at this point to believe that users won't get their funds returned.  There might be open conflict between the shareholders, but no-one's suggested that GLBSE has insufficient funds at this point to pay its users.

I'll suggest it.

This is a by-the-book Interscamgro/Bitcoin Consultancy operation. This is how people like Taaki, Strateman, McCarthy & Co scam this community: create fake drama, multiple parties, lost databases, "waiting for X to start repaying" etc. Any person holding BTC on the Global Scam Exchange will be seeing his money back about six months after those scammed by Bitcoinica do.

It's what it is. Don't ever get involved with any of these people again.
Look, I know you love raving about how shit GLBSE is/was, but let's look at the facts here:

-The SEC was investigating Pirate.
-Through that investigation, they became interested in GLBSE, and there was some suggestion that they would take action against it, initially with regard to the pirate-pass-through operations.
-Next, Nefario pulled the listings of the PPT operations, as well as the account of the biggest issuer of PPT bonds.
-Then, Nefario shuts the site down in a great hurry, apparently under legal pressure.

Now, personally the first thought into my head when trawling through this clusterfuck is not "It must be Nefario's fault". The SEC was known to be interested in GLBSE at least a week before it went down.

So Nefario says nothing and ends up holding customer funds when he could announce ahead of time him closing. He had his own interests in mind. that is all.
I don't imagine Nef had much notice at all, I'm not sure if you understand how serious the legal issues are surrounding this. There is every chance that multiple members of the bitcoin community will be charged with securities fraud and face jail time over this. Think about it, Nefario has ID on a whole variety of people who are/were issuing unlicensed securities. Further issuers are already well known. This whole situation has the potential for very serious consequences for a number of members.
146  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 08, 2012, 12:17:33 AM
There's no reason at this point to believe that users won't get their funds returned.  There might be open conflict between the shareholders, but no-one's suggested that GLBSE has insufficient funds at this point to pay its users.

I'll suggest it.

This is a by-the-book Interscamgro/Bitcoin Consultancy operation. This is how people like Taaki, Strateman, McCarthy & Co scam this community: create fake drama, multiple parties, lost databases, "waiting for X to start repaying" etc. Any person holding BTC on the Global Scam Exchange will be seeing his money back about six months after those scammed by Bitcoinica do.

It's what it is. Don't ever get involved with any of these people again.
Look, I know you love raving about how shit GLBSE is/was, but let's look at the facts here:

-The SEC was investigating Pirate.
-Through that investigation, they became interested in GLBSE, and there was some suggestion that they would take action against it, initially with regard to the pirate-pass-through operations.
-Next, Nefario pulled the listings of the PPT operations, as well as the account of the biggest issuer of PPT bonds.
-Then, Nefario shuts the site down in a great hurry, apparently under legal pressure.

Now, personally the first thought into my head when trawling through this clusterfuck is not "It must be Nefario's fault". The SEC was known to be interested in GLBSE at least a week before it went down.
147  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. on: October 07, 2012, 09:00:14 PM
System and shares , restored.
Congrats - here's hoping you find it sooner rather than later  Wink

This formula will protect full time miners and they can earn extra from pool hoopers.
Percents can be adjusted waiting for feedback to make it near perfect.

Fast Description.

Case 1 >> User has stop mining.
Miner total shares = 1000s say
Old shares lose value
Every minute he will lose 10% of his shares. ( in 10 minutes he will lose all his shares )
Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 )

Case 2 >> User drop down his speed ( ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH , 90%)
Miner total shares = 1000
Old shares lose value
User will lose 50% of his shares. Speed check every 10 minutes.

Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes ( He got power off / Net was down / Hooping / etc... )
User will get shares restore 80% of lost shares.

Just so you know, this method is basically slush's method, still hoppable, just not as hoppable as straight proportional.

Ok its still hoppable but its a minimum , a little risky for hoppers they lose , i`m thinking to perfect it and check theirs internet connection to see if it`s UP or DOWN so then i will know what will be the reason why they left.

That's surely not really something you can implement?
I'd have thought it'd be easier to just implement the score-prop method that slush is using. Whatever really.
148  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. on: October 07, 2012, 08:52:21 PM
System and shares , restored.
Congrats - here's hoping you find it sooner rather than later  Wink

This formula will protect full time miners and they can earn extra from pool hoopers.
Percents can be adjusted waiting for feedback to make it near perfect.

Fast Description.

Case 1 >> User has stop mining.
Miner total shares = 1000s say
Old shares lose value
Every minute he will lose 10% of his shares. ( in 10 minutes he will lose all his shares )
Lets say miner will come back in 5 minutes , he lost 500 shares and 500 remains so the system will return to him 80% of 500 ( 500+500/80% of 500 )

Case 2 >> User drop down his speed ( ex: from 100 GH to 10 GH , 90%)
Miner total shares = 1000
Old shares lose value
User will lose 50% of his shares. Speed check every 10 minutes.

Case 3 >> User come back and start mining in maximum 30 minutes ( He got power off / Net was down / Hooping / etc... )
User will get shares restore 80% of lost shares.

Just so you know, this method is basically slush's method, still hoppable, just not as hoppable as straight proportional.
149  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. on: October 07, 2012, 06:37:57 PM
No, you can not make changes in the middle of a round if you expect people to trust you.  You offered a pool with a set of parameters which I agreed to mine on.  If you want to change your parameters, you wait until AFTER the round is over.  You don't change it after I've already given you my hashes.

What's to stop you from doing that to others in the future?  Nothing, because you have no integrity.  You've demonstrated the fact that you can and will take away users shares for any reason you see fit and not pay them for it.   You have zero integrity at this point and you continue to compound your problem.  You will never have a successful pool with that sort of mind set.


Please get lost Inaba. I have no fees and i have no reason to steel or something like that i just love this , i have money / servers i just love to work and create so please get lost with your ideas , i will protect full time miners not hoopers like you.

I will repeat myself i will GLADLY restore your shares if you will continue mining.
So your pool is all about the blackmail?

New proposal:

Greee must either:

-Pay Inaba the expected value of the shares he submitted (no, I don't mean PPS, I'm sure organofcorti can provide us with the average expected value of said shares when mined on a prop pool).
Or:
-Switch back to the old payout system and restore Inaba's sharecount, then switch to the new payout method at the end of the round.
Or:
-Get a scammer tag.

Shadow383 is the same payout system and prop, but he have some hoopers proof rules, that i will fully explain in a few moments.

i`m not stupid to steal or something lol , i just install some hooping proofs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1YmS_VDvMY
150  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: MPEx registration fee bumped to 30 BTC. on: October 07, 2012, 06:36:14 PM
-Its own domain name that it doesn't share with a romanian porn site (I mean really, nice image).
Peeps, just please stop repeating this cliche.

Conglomerate domains have their tactical uses, in this case as probably as a anti-filtering and anti-takedown measure. I don't have a specific knowledge about polimedia.us and Romania; but a conglomerate domain that would host a bitcoin securities exchange and a financial news site would have a very good prior restraint defense against stupid takedowns.

In Europe this tactic worked for the users of LiveJournal and many other traditional publishers.

This "dedicated domain name" really is a cheapo marketing shibboleth. If you don't believe me, read the post of the local hit&run marketing expert: reeses. Of course I have to quote it in full, since reeses always doing the purge of his posts before he runs.

The owner of mpex hosts it on his servers. Just search the forums lots of people reference it.

It is kind of silly not to have a dedicated domain for mpex.  However, while there is pr0ns available via the same hostname, there is no child pornography there.  That's just an added level of "eww" made up by ciuciu when "he also hosts porn" didn't have any effect.  It also hosts a boring blog in moon-man gibberish.

None of the people claiming there is child pornography on the site has been able to provide evidence beyond,"Look for yourself," which you can understand my unwillingness to do.  It's a romanian 4chan, so weird shit pops up from the members.

Hmm...first bitcoin bank of 4chan...

I don't think the fact that MPEx lacks a dedicated domain name will stop a securities investigation  Cheesy

In addition to which, is it really wise to have it on a ".us" domain?
151  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. on: October 07, 2012, 06:32:43 PM
YOU ARE A POOL HOOPER MAN, get a life.
....So?
You had no policy in place that said you would penalise pool hoppers in any way at the time Inaba joined.

IL REPEAT IL RESTORE YOUR SHARES with a simple command IF YOU WILL CONTINUE MINING. Our hooping proof system remove hoopers shares. If they come the system will restore them .... i`l present the full formula in a few moments.

This "few moments" is really starting to stretch out.


Regardless, you don't just change the payout method mid-round specifically to screw over your biggest contributor. A Scammer tag beckons.
152  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. on: October 07, 2012, 06:27:10 PM
No, you can not make changes in the middle of a round if you expect people to trust you.  You offered a pool with a set of parameters which I agreed to mine on.  If you want to change your parameters, you wait until AFTER the round is over.  You don't change it after I've already given you my hashes.

What's to stop you from doing that to others in the future?  Nothing, because you have no integrity.  You've demonstrated the fact that you can and will take away users shares for any reason you see fit and not pay them for it.   You have zero integrity at this point and you continue to compound your problem.  You will never have a successful pool with that sort of mind set.


Please get lost Inaba. I have no fees and i have no reason to steel or something like that i just love this , i have money / servers i just love to work and create so please get lost with your ideas , i will protect full time miners not hoopers like you.

I will repeat myself i will GLADLY restore your shares if you will continue mining.
So your pool is all about the blackmail?

New proposal:

Greee must either:

-Pay Inaba the expected value of the shares he submitted (no, I don't mean PPS, I'm sure organofcorti can provide us with the average expected value of said shares when mined on a prop pool).
Or:
-Switch back to the old payout system and restore Inaba's sharecount, then switch to the new payout method at the end of the round.
Or:
-Get a scammer tag.
153  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [60 GH/s] HHTT - User Selected Share Difficulty/PPS/Paid Stales on: October 07, 2012, 05:55:06 PM
Stopping payouts is a double-edged sword but I understand your reasoning...

My concern, is users will abandon the pool and then the time to find a block will increase substantially with only 2 singles mining.  At current diff that is just shy of 90 days (assuming 1.6 Gh/s) and we know diff will increase at a crazy pace once ASIC arrives = never finding a block?!?

It would make more sense to allow others to invest in the pool. Create 1000 bonds with a starting face value of 1BTC, valid for one month.
If the pool loses money, those bonds lose value, if the pool makes money, those bonds gain value. With 2% PPS the bonds are probably worth the risk for some investors, and bondholders would have incentive to recommend your pool to others.

Or sell me the code and I'll set it up  Cheesy
154  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. on: October 07, 2012, 05:51:07 PM
Gree, you can't just go and reset the stats system mid-round. You need to pay Inaba for those shares.
155  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Have Questions about GBLSE Shutdown? Ask Matthewh3 (Unofficial Spokesperson) on: October 07, 2012, 05:20:57 PM
Thanks for the great work dalkore, please keep us updated.
i guess with the codes thing you're actually in a slightly better position than most glbse issuers right now  Cheesy
156  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE][BITCOINMINV] 5th dividend paid, still got some stock left! on: October 07, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
Still working it out, just like lots of other issuers we were not prepared for this. I  want to kick myself in the ass for it to, after I talked to the S.E.C guy. When I do come up with a plan I will email all the issuers I have info on with details, I will not post it here. I am not sure what our legality is and when I do, I will publish here email sent and that is all.
Can you PM me details when you do - last I checked I had 57 shares of BitcoinMINV. Not much but I'd like to be involved  Wink
157  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Have Questions about GBLSE Shutdown? Ask Matthewh3 (Unofficial Spokesperson) on: October 07, 2012, 05:08:07 PM
We already know why pirate wanted identified PPTs holders ...
Yep, sounds to me like the SEC got to Pirate first (how could they not? his ID was all over here) and have then proceeded to go looking into GLBSE.
There's going to be some serious profiling going on I think.
correct me if I am wrong (I am sure someone will Tongue)
SEC = USA
Nefario is in England
maybe the British counterpart?

It is the FSA (Financial Service Authority).  What people don't understand is that the SEC & FSA have a very tight working relationship and will bring charges for each other in the different countries.
This.
I'm also UK-based - the FSA is just as neutered as the SEC is when it comes to big banks (read: sponsors of big political parties) but if the SEC wants you investigated for something it's pretty much a given that the FSA will act as their puppet.
158  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Have Questions about GBLSE Shutdown? Ask Matthewh3 (Unofficial Spokesperson) on: October 07, 2012, 04:29:51 PM
We already know why pirate wanted identified PPTs holders ...
Yep, sounds to me like the SEC got to Pirate first (how could they not? his ID was all over here) and have then proceeded to go looking into GLBSE.
There's going to be some serious profiling going on I think.
159  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: MPEx registration fee bumped to 30 BTC. on: October 07, 2012, 03:33:46 PM
Even shutdown GLBSE is better than Mpex.....that is how much the mpex setup sucks.

Plus....the PR person is kind of a douche. Usually PR isn't supposed to be an a-hole (as demonstrated in every thread she takes part).

Hey, MP, I would be willing to work for bitcoin as your PR person. I would not scare away potential investors by calling them names. How about it?
You could hire Josef Fritzl to be your PR person and present a better public image.

MPEx could have so much potential, all it needs is:

-Lower registration fees. Make up for it by charging more for listings if you like, but I don't see why many people paying $350 to trade the paltry few securities on there at the minute, particularly with the regulatory risk involved. More users = more volume = more securities.
-A site that doesn't look like absolute arse. Again, this would bring in more users, image is important to a lot of people.
-Its own domain name that it doesn't share with a romanian porn site (I mean really, nice image).
-A PR person who understands that "Public Relations" is supposed to be about being helpful and polite, getting your exchange some good rep and some good publicity. Alternatively you could get a Grizzly Bear in an SS uniform, that'd be a slight step up from the current PR rep.

Unfortunately the chances of that happening are about the same as the chances of me finding buried treasure in my garden, so I guess we'll just have to wait for some budding entrepreneur to set up a viable GLBSE replacement.
160  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: Dank Bank Deposits - dank soul guarantee - 1.2%-2.0% weekly on: October 07, 2012, 03:10:04 PM
I live in the moment, Rarity, it will happen when it happens.

Okay, but it would help me start my preparations just to know WHERE it is happening.  I need to price out the bus and start looking at hotels.  I know you are dealing with far greater logistical questions right now in organizing Dankapalooza but I still need to handle my travel arrangements if I'm going to make it. 
Rarity, I think you should enter the running for Bitcointalk's "troll of the year" awards.
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