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781  Local / Mineração em Geral / Re: avalon asic on: May 11, 2013, 06:07:43 AM
postaram ontem o blueprint da avalon

https://github.com/BitSyncom/avalon-ref

Agora é aparecer alguem com a manha de fazer a asic brasileira

Pelo que andei pesquisando aqui, no brasil tem uma empresa que fabrica microchips que é a ceitec-sa.

Inclusive eles fazem ASICs. http://www.ceitec-sa.com/pt/asics

Só entrando em contato pra saber quanto sairia uma brincadeira dessa.
Como eu vi no video eles projetam, criam o ASIC da forma que vc quer.
Mas como eu disse preço para desenvolvimento de um protótipo pode ser bem elevador.

Isso só andaria se tivesse investimento de mta gente interessada.

Depois de projetado ai tem que ter alguém que manje em linguagem de programação pra desenvolver os drivers e clients.

Com esse design vc faz o PCB, o chip vc pode comprar da propria avalon, isso vai acontecer MUITO em breve. Vai pipocar asics de terceiros mas usando o chip da avalon.

Uma avalon tem 240 chips e vai inicialmente a 65.000 mhash.
Entao cada chip entrega entre 270~280 mhash sem overclock.
782  Local / Mineração em Geral / Re: Vale apena minerar numa Radeon HD5850? on: May 11, 2013, 06:05:09 AM
Se vc já tivesse a GPU, valeria, agora vc nao vai ter seu ROI tao cedo, a nao ser que segure os BTCS até eles valerem um pouco mais.

Mas aí nesse caso é melhor vc gastar a grana da GPU comprando bitcoins logo.



Por que comprar GPU e tão ruim?


Essa e minha terceira rig que estou montando para junho

MoBo Msi 890fxa Gd70   1    R$ 440.00     R$ 440.00
Fonte 1200w gold   1    R$ 850.00     R$ 850.00
VGA 7950   4    R$ 650.00     R$ 2,600.00
Memoria   1    R$ 60.00     R$ 60.00
Processador   1    R$ 60.00     R$ 60.00
hd - 40 reais

total 4,040 reais(Pode variar uns 300 reais para baixo ou para cima)
custo de luz para gerir o equipamento todo (por mês) R$342.9288 @ R$11 por dia (MEU CUSTO/onde moro)

Diff 469.55 (LTC)
Per Day   0.1721 BTC   5.8748 LTC   $19.39   $0   $19.39
Per Week   1.2049 BTC   41.1238 LTC   $135.75   $0   $135.75
Per Month   5.164 BTC   176.2448 LTC   $581.78   $0   $581.78

Diff 600 proxima

Per Day   0.1346 BTC   4.5939 LTC   $15.16   $0   $15.16
Per Week   0.9422 BTC   32.157 LTC   $106.15   $0   $106.15
Per Month   4.038 BTC   137.8159 LTC   $454.93   $0   $454.93

Diff 780
Per Day   0.1077 BTC   3.6761 LTC   $12.13   $0   $12.13
Per Week   0.754 BTC   25.7325 LTC   $84.94   $0   $84.94
Per Month   3.2313 BTC   110.2821 LTC   $364.04   $0   $364.04


*Dificuldade pode ficar astronômica e o preço do BTC também 
*ASICS que estão começando a chegar para seus compradores por enquanto não mineram (Scrypt) , só SHA-256
*Todas as diff futuras são estimadas podem subir ou descer
*Fiz em a tabela acima na LTC para simplicar e é uma coin por enquanto Profitability em relação ao btc
*Existem alt coin as vezes mais Profitability do que LTC já ganhei 2 btc em 1 dia Quando BQC  CNC  FTC (Tem seu risco de ficar encalhadas)
*Montar e ver rodar, ficar procurando outras coins / futuras coins vender lotes para inicias para pessoas que acreditam na altcoin para o futuro (Não tem preço)
*Encheu o saco , não vale minerar, vou vender as GPU, tem um mercado para elas jogadores de games (R$1000,R$800 e ate R$ 750) * paguei 650 reais em cada


Outros investimentos  Wink

4,100 na poupança = renderia 264 reais ao ano <--- extremamente conversador
4100 no CBD - Não sei quanto esta um pouco mais que a poupança <----- conservador
Bolsa de valores = algumas estrategias de mercado futuro não conseguem operar com essa quantia <---- risco elevado
Operações day-trade Ibovespa ou BTC-e?
BTC - comprar tudo e esperar ou ficar fazendo trade
Pegar 4,000 reais e viajar
Fazer um curso por 4,000
Jogar na loteria
ETc etc

Respeito sua opinião rudrigorc2 , mas sei lá e muito bom ver as rigs configuradas e funcionando Cheesy

Ah disso eu nao duvido não! O BTC nasceu pq existem os hardcore geeks e apaixonados por tecnologia, não é mesmo?

 A satisfacao de colocar um rig em funcionamento e fazer parte disso tudo, e muitos experimentaram essa sensacao, inclusive eu, não tem preço. Talvez tenha sido um dos grandes motivos do btc ter sido alavancado e ser o que é hoje.
783  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Avalon Asic] trade-in Thread on: May 11, 2013, 03:52:11 AM
Bitsyncom, I expect avalon to compensate me somehow for all the days I dont have my FPGAs running. They are still profitable. Last time I checked they were all getting dust in Mr.Chen closet.

One week before, remember? What do you think about giving us some news on tradein, come here and show some love for old costumers.
784  Local / Mineração em Geral / Re: avalon asic on: May 11, 2013, 03:48:37 AM
postaram ontem o blueprint da avalon

https://github.com/BitSyncom/avalon-ref

Agora é aparecer alguem com a manha de fazer a asic brasileira
785  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB on: May 11, 2013, 03:35:21 AM
Im in China, can I still buy one or two? Can i pick it up in person? Cheesy

I am organising a group buy for International people such as yourself, I know it is a bit odd getting them sent from China to New Zealand and then back again but those are the rules that Bitfountain set down (probably for good reason though).

Anyway, my international buy in thread is at;-

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201577.0

It already has a few paid orders and even more people have expressed interest.

IF someone pay my air tickets I would love to fly NZ with them.  But friedcat is hard to compete with, free shipping right?
786  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon Hypocrites? on: May 11, 2013, 03:26:50 AM
Well according to Yifu Guo's own words in his Vice Motherboard interview;

You aren’t doing any mining at all?

Nope. Fun fact: none of the Avalon team have their own mining units (outside of test units).




Source: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/engineering-the-bitcoin-gold-rush-an-interview-with-yifu-guo-creator-of-the-first-asic-based-miner#ixzz2SvGdRqVT

Yes, I saw this article.  When I finished it I had a mountain of respect for the kid.  I'm hoping he stuck to his principles...

Maybe this thread should be moved to speculation.
787  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Announcement] Block Erupter USB on: May 11, 2013, 03:24:35 AM
Im in China, can I still buy one or two? Can i pick it up in person? Cheesy
788  Local / Mineração em Geral / Re: Vale apena minerar numa Radeon HD5850? on: May 11, 2013, 02:50:06 AM
Se vc já tivesse a GPU, valeria, agora vc nao vai ter seu ROI tao cedo, a nao ser que segure os BTCS até eles valerem um pouco mais.

Mas aí nesse caso é melhor vc gastar a grana da GPU comprando bitcoins logo.
789  Local / Mineração em Geral / Re: Dica para quem está pensando em comprar GPUs para minerar on: May 11, 2013, 02:48:33 AM
se ja possuir a GPU, vale.
790  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Topico para compartilhar topicos do Bitcointalk on: May 11, 2013, 02:42:11 AM
-reservado-
791  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Topico para compartilhar topicos do Bitcointalk on: May 11, 2013, 02:41:48 AM
Muita gente evita se aventurar no inglês mas vou abrir isso aqui para que outros topicos interessantes de outras areas menos visitadas do forum sejam compartilhados.

Começando, acabo de ver uma enquete-censo vamos lá brazucada Cheesy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201672.0
792  Other / Off-topic / Re: How many times a day do you... on: May 11, 2013, 02:38:39 AM
I have a better one: How many times you stop thinking about bitcoins?
793  Other / Off-topic / Bitcoin is a marathon on: May 11, 2013, 02:34:24 AM
Once I heard that Bitcoin is a marathon, I agree and as I enjoy both reading and running, today a friend sent me this New Yorker text from Murakami on Boston Marathon. He striked again. Good ride, folks.




Quote from: POSTED BY HARUKI MURAKAMI

BOSTON, FROM ONE CITIZEN OF THE WORLD WHO CALLS HIMSELF A RUNNER

In the past thirty years, I’ve run thirty-three full marathons. I’ve run marathons all over the world, but whenever someone asks me which is my favorite, I never hesitate to answer: the Boston Marathon, which I have run six times. What’s so wonderful about the Boston Marathon? It’s simple: it’s the oldest race of its kind; the course is beautiful; and—here’s the most important point—everything about the race is natural, free. The Boston Marathon is not a top-down but a bottom-up kind of event; it was steadily, thoughtfully crafted by the citizens of Boston themselves, over a considerable period of time. Every time I run the race, the feelings of the people who created it over the years are on display for all to appreciate, and I’m enveloped in a warm glow, a sense of being back in a place I missed. It’s magical. Other marathons are amazing, too—the New York City Marathon, the Honolulu Marathon, the Athens Marathon. Boston, however (my apologies to the organizers of those other races), is unique.

What’s great about marathons in general is the lack of competitiveness. For world-class runners, they can be an occasion of fierce rivalry, sure. But for a runner like me (and I imagine this is true for the vast majority of runners), an ordinary runner whose times are nothing special, a marathon is never a competition. You enter the race to enjoy the experience of running twenty-six miles, and you do enjoy it, as you go along. Then it starts to get a little painful, then it becomes seriously painful, and in the end it’s that pain that you start to enjoy. And part of the enjoyment is in sharing this tangled process with the runners around you. Try running twenty-six miles alone and you’ll have three, four, or five hours of sheer torture. I’ve done it before, and I hope never to repeat the experience. But running the same distance alongside other runners makes it feel less grueling. It’s tough physically, of course—how could it not be?—but there’s a feeling of solidarity and unity that carries you all the way to the finish line. If a marathon is a battle, it’s one you wage against yourself.

Running the Boston Marathon, when you turn the corner at Hereford Street onto Boylston, and see, at the end of that straight, broad road, the banner at Copley Square, the excitement and relief you experience are indescribable. You have made it on your own, but at the same time it was those around you who kept you going. The unpaid volunteers who took the day off to help out, the people lining the road to cheer you on, the runners in front of you, the runners behind. Without their encouragement and support, you might not have finished the race. As you take the final sprint down Boylston, all kinds of emotions rise up in your heart. You grimace with the strain, but you smile as well.

* * *
I lived for three years on the outskirts of Boston. I was a visiting scholar at Tufts for two years, and then, after a short break, I was at Harvard for a year. During that time, I jogged along the banks of the Charles River every morning. I understand how important the Boston Marathon is to the people of Boston, what a source of pride it is to the city and its citizens. Many of my friends regularly run the race and serve as volunteers. So, even from far away, I can imagine how devastated and discouraged the people of Boston feel about the tragedy of this year’s race. Many people were physically injured at the site of the explosions, but even more must have been wounded in other ways. Something that should have been pure has been sullied, and I, too—as a citizen of the world, who calls himself a runner—have been wounded.

This combination of sadness, disappointment, anger, and despair is not easy to dissipate. I understood this when I was researching my book “Underground,” about the 1995 gas attack on the Tokyo subway, and interviewing survivors of the attack and family members of those who died. You can overcome the hurt enough to live a “normal” life. But, internally, you’re still bleeding. Some of the pain goes away over time, but the passage of time also gives rise to new types of pain. You have to sort it all out, organize it, understand it, and accept it. You have to build a new life on top of the pain.

* * *
Surely the best-known section of the Boston Marathon is Heartbreak Hill, one in a series of slopes that lasts for four miles near the end of the race. It’s on Heartbreak Hill that runners ostensibly feel the most exhausted. In the hundred-and-seventeen-year history of the race, all sorts of legends have grown up around this hill. But, when you actually run it, you realize that it’s not as harsh and unforgiving as people have made it out to be. Most runners make it up Heartbreak Hill more easily than they expected to. “Hey,” they tell themselves, “that wasn’t so bad after all.” Mentally prepare yourself for the long slope that is waiting for you near the end, save up enough energy to tackle it, and somehow you’re able to get past it.

The real pain begins only after you’ve conquered Heartbreak Hill, run downhill, and arrived at the flat part of the course, in the city streets. You’re through the worst, and you can head straight for the finish line—and suddenly your body starts to scream. Your muscles cramp, and your legs feel like lead. At least that’s what I’ve experienced every time I’ve run the Boston Marathon.

Emotional scars may be similar. In a sense, the real pain begins only after some time has passed, after you’ve overcome the initial shock and things have begun to settle. Only once you’ve climbed the steep slope and emerged onto level ground do you begin to feel how much you’ve been hurting up till then. The bombing in Boston may very well have left this kind of long-term mental anguish behind.

Why? I can’t help asking. Why did a happy, peaceful occasion like the marathon have to be trampled on in such an awful, bloody way? Although the perpetrators have been identified, the answer to that question is still unclear. But their hatred and depravity have mangled our hearts and our minds. Even if we were to get an answer, it likely wouldn’t help.

To overcome this kind of trauma takes time, time during which we need to look ahead positively. Hiding the wounds, or searching for a dramatic cure, won’t lead to any real solution. Seeking revenge won’t bring relief, either. We need to remember the wounds, never turn our gaze away from the pain, and—honestly, conscientiously, quietly—accumulate our own histories. It may take time, but time is our ally.

For me, it’s through running, running every single day, that I grieve for those whose lives were lost and for those who were injured on Boylston Street. This is the only personal message I can send them. I know it’s not much, but I hope that my voice gets through. I hope, too, that the Boston Marathon will recover from its wounds, and that those twenty-six miles will again seem beautiful, natural, free.

Translated, from the Japanese, by Philip Gabriel.

Haruki Murakami’s most recent book to appear in English is “IQ84.” His latest novel has just been published in Japan.

Illustration by Ed Nacional.

794  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon Hypocrites? on: May 11, 2013, 12:19:25 AM
Well according to Yifu Guo's own words in his Vice Motherboard interview;

You aren’t doing any mining at all?

Nope. Fun fact: none of the Avalon team have their own mining units (outside of test units).




Source: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/engineering-the-bitcoin-gold-rush-an-interview-with-yifu-guo-creator-of-the-first-asic-based-miner#ixzz2SvGdRqVT

he forgot to say that all units are test units, and Xiangfu has an avalon, he said himself in IRC, which puts one important software developer out of avalon team. the month is ending we are getting our avalons.
795  Local / Economia & Mercado / Re: Vendo Apartamento - 9000 Bitcoin on: May 10, 2013, 10:24:55 PM
vende em inglÊs e faz video do imóvel.

+1

Sede da copa, se nao conseguir vender e tiver condicao, pq vc nao ajeita a parada e dá um jeito de aluga pra uns turistas, sei lá.
796  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Brasil Bitcoin Chat no IRC on: May 10, 2013, 10:21:49 PM
tutorial https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167788.0

e ai, vale um sticky?
797  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Lojas que aceitam bitcoins on: May 10, 2013, 10:03:05 PM
Daniel, seja bem vindo, boa iniciativa, existem alguns mapas por aí mas é muito dificil encontralos em funcionamento e raramente sao atualizados.
Uma listagem brasileira vai bem!

que tal fazer um documento no google drive, duas abas, daí as pessoas vao editando uma e vc atualizando a outra. Depois é só jogar no blog.
798  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Como deveria ser a escolha dos moderadores? on: May 10, 2013, 09:32:43 PM
E além disso qual deveria ser a postura ideal dos moderadores?

Auxilio aos usuarios? Remocao de topicos sem ifnormacao? O moderador deve postar regularmente flood e noticias antigas? Usar da posicao de moderador parar vender mais btcs?

Gostaria de saber o que voces pensam sobre isso.
799  Other / Meta / brazilian moderador is using his power to sell more bitcoins and delete posts on: May 10, 2013, 09:26:33 PM
Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
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pq deixariam de usar o otc original com muito mais opcao de compra-venda, pelo mundo inteiro?
se eh brasileiro, pq usar OTC, que eh uma expressao em ingles?

 Cheesy

VC ja teve a minha resposta umas 3 vezes. Dessa vez eu não vou repetir. Como eu sei que vc esta apenas criando caso, como é seu de costume aqui no forum. Eu vou pedir pra vc olhar nos seus históricos.

Vc esta se tornando um belo Troll. Continue assim, sua contribuição esta se tornando cada vez mais relevante.

cara, vc eh o moderador mais troll que existe aqui, nem sei como foi parar aí nesse posto.

responda as perguntas, seria muito melhor pra voce e alem de troll é o maior flooder também.

isso aqui virou o senado brasileiro onde o cara nao lida bem com a critica e uma vez no poder usa tua reputacao pra alavancar as vendas e nada mais. responda o topico, isso aqui nao eh um chat pessoal, o que vc escrever pode vir a ser util para outros leitores que nao tiveram a chance de perguntar.

vida longa ao #bitcoin-otc.


This is a funny guy. A newcomer in a moderator post, he uses his position to sell his bitcoins(he is a professional trader)

How did he become a moderator in first place? He never answers questions towards him before deleting the post in the first place.
Just look how many posts he deleted in the trashcan.

He is a major flooder and troller.

What is he doing there?

edit: I meant: A newcomer in a moderator position with 80% of his posts from this year, most of them selling or advertising his trading group.
800  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: May 10, 2013, 09:17:36 PM

Now again Back in January they implied they could make 12 devices a day
They also clearly stated how good their original release date was
They also stated delivery dates for Batch #2

What has gone wrong?

They suddenly can't make the chips they made before?
They didn't get almost $2mil from batch #2 and batch #3?
Everyone making the first batch quit or was fired?
Capacitors are scarce in China?

While I'm at it I'll work on a graph: (click for full size)


Anyone feel free to make some more detailed comments about the above graph however,

1) From Avalon Shipping to Network reaching 48TH/s (earliest Avalon could have added 20TH/s + Asicminers extra 4TH/s) is approx 23-Mar
That assumes there is NO OTHER addition to the network while the price of BTC continued to climb slowly ...

So what is the 26THs rise from then (23-Mar) to 25-April
Clearly a % at least of people coming on board with GPUs due to the price - but could 2xmore people have joined BTC in that month with GPUs than existed in the 2 years before that?

Of course the network value for 'today' at 83GH/s is in question - and wont be considered reliable probably for another week at least - but that would actually make one wonder how ASICMINER managed to add 14TH/s yet the network only went up 9TH/s (maybe they were mining early also? Tongue)

FYI the network graph is of course from: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
P.S. Yes I used the 14 day window - the others are simply way too unreliable

I think is a very well thought out and argued position.   Personally, I believe Kano and I think that Yifu's and Zhang's muteness on these delays make the probability that they are mining much higher.   I do not want to believe that since that would mean that all the values and virtues that Avalon kept preaching were just lies (that would be pretty devastating to find out).
YIFU or Dr. Zhang, I think after one month we deserve your reply to the above and assurance that this is not true.

Money changes people. It is nothing to blame them for. Just try to think of yourself in that position, 1 year earlier just a regular student with some bitcoins, right now you are a millionair on paper and can make some million a month by simply delaying a product. This is a once in a lifetime chance for you.

Better be thankful that they dont scam us.

IMHO, this is one hell of a short shighted point of view. why make money while burn you reputation with the people that made you rich? the delay maybe because  another uncontrolable forces. if you got the skills and resources that allow you to live confortably, with the right mindset the future can be much more brighter than one account full of money.
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