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561  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 09:19:48 PM

Ah,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWnAqFyaQ5s
562  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 08:40:23 PM
go back and look at TPTB's posts since registering.  they are filled with Armstrong references.  does anyone see a problem with that?

i do; it's called lack of diversification.  who worships just one guy all the time?  no astute investor.  that alone is cause for suspicion.

Well, he's not alone I can tell you this. I know many guys that consider Armstrong as an almighty prediction-God walking among the mortals. On the other hand, I am convinced that every theory presented (by anyone) needs to be put into a test, no matter how bizarre it may look. I don't find his support to him particularly suspicious, even though I personally never tend to expedite a conclusion without testing thoroughly a theory first. FWIW from my point of view, Armstrong's one has already passed one test...

...I don't buy his "computer model" explanation though. Wink

Don't believe him, just watch Smiley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WdrMLLpPg
563  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 08:20:07 PM

Yeah, so we can either choose the one with the identifying "Number of the Beast" barcodes or the one without.
564  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
could it be that we are actually talking to Martin Armstrong himself?  maybe that would explain the blind allegiance.
here is an interesting compilation of his prison writings.  and this was the very first one i pulled up!  whats the chances of them both being blind in one eye?  from an eye doctor:

https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58:

Have you ever heard the saying, "in lak'ech ala k'in"?

given that you willingly interjected yourself into the conversation to provoke me, then fully doxxed me, then lied about not having a multi-6-figure ongoing claim against HF, do you really think you have the moral high ground to wax philosophical?

"Now look what you made me do." Roll Eyes

http://pastebin.com/4v2Sr0Sf
565  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: June 07, 2015, 05:43:36 PM
...

rpietila

My recollection is that the Bible says that it is the love of money that is the root of evil.  A careful reading of Matthew's passage (and knowing the context of those days) re the rich man and the camel going through the eye of a needle suggests that it is not being rich per se, it is that the rich man must unload his camel at the town gate and pass through the little door to enter the city after dark...

*  *  *

I did not watch the video you linked (yet), but perhaps at small scale such altruism (sharing produce w/ neighbors) might work -- at that scale.

*  *  *

I completely agree that without concentration of capital it would be essentially impossible to build factories.  I know that would be the case for ball bearing plants which require a LOT of money to build and run.  

"Ball bearings are my business."

In a metropolis like New Orleans, you can literally give anything away to anyone that needs it when they need it and just know you'll have what you need when you need it. If a city like that can do it, why can't the world? Isn't it something we all do at a basal level, or at least, learning again to do, at some quantum level? Do squirrels actually forget where they bury their nuts, or do they just trust that they and their fellow brethren have also planted enough, whether for them or the trees?


Very nice comment, vokain.  Smiley

Indeed, giving is a key to security, just as you mentioned, even in a city.  What I note from you is that individuals giving (and having faith that all will be well) is at an individual level, and then all will likely fall into place well.  I do not see any larger groups, at least yet, who are generous enough with each other, to attain much beyond the sharing of produce at a village scale.  Larger scale "giving" edges closely to taxation, ugh.

But my comment before is really directed at concentration of capital.  Big Dough is needed to build advanced factories to make so many things modern society requires.

Considering my eristic and aneristic observations, it seems that as soon as we can clear the obfuscation caused by fraudulent metrics of capital, capital will start flowing even faster to factories that make said "many things modern society requires" as people are freed to do what they Love, together.  And some love economizing.
566  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 05:40:05 PM
That's my favorite song by my favorite band Smiley
567  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 05:18:08 PM
could it be that we are actually talking to Martin Armstrong himself?  maybe that would explain the blind allegiance.
here is an interesting compilation of his prison writings.  and this was the very first one i pulled up!  whats the chances of them both being blind in one eye?  from an eye doctor:

https://www.scribd.com/kzuur58:

Have you ever heard the saying, "in lak'ech ala k'in"?
568  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 04:49:25 PM
Quote
The word ΤΗΙ ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΗΙ (Ancient Greek: τῇ καλλίστῃ tē(i) kallistē(i), Modern Greek: τη καλλίστη ti kallisti; "for/to the most beautiful") was inscribed on the Golden Apple of Discord by Eris.
http://www.rawilson.com/illuminatus.html#apple

Ironic that this thread is about gold collapsing, when the alchemical pursuit has always been the symbolic process of turning lead into gold.

edit: sorry, 'wrong' excerpt Tongue

Quote
"Part of it is Chinese," Saul said thoughtfully. "The basic design— two interlocking commas, one
pointing up and the other down. It means that opposites are equal."

"And what does that mean?" Muldoon asked sarcastically. "Opposites are opposite, not equal. You'd
have to be a Chinaman to think otherwise."

Saul ignored the comment. "But the pentagon isn't in the Chinese design— and neither is the apple
with the K in it. . . ." Suddenly, he grinned. "Wait, I'll bet I know what that is. It's from Greek
mythology. There was a banquet on Olympus, and Eris wasn't invited, because she was the Goddess
of Discord and always made trouble. So, to get even, she made more trouble: she created a beautiful
golden apple and wrote on it Kallisti. That means 'for the prettiest one' in Greek. It's what the K
stands for, obviously. Then she rolled it into the banquet hall, and, naturally, all the goddesses there
immediately claimed it, each one saying that she was 'the prettiest one.' Finally, old man Zeus
himself, to settle the squabble, allowed Paris to decide which goddess was the prettiest and should
get the apple. He chose Aphrodite, and as a reward she gave him an opportunity to kidnap Helen,
which led to the Trojan War."

"Very interesting," Muldoon said. "And does that tell us what Joseph Malik knew about the
assassinations of the Kennedys and this Illuminati bunch and why his office was blown up? Or where
he's disappeared to?"

"Well, no," Saul said, "but it's nice to find something in this case that I can recognize. I just wish I
knew what the pentagon means, too. . . ."

"Let's look at the rest of the memos," Muldoon suggested.

"Thank God we don't descend down from perfect Adam & Eve to sinful sinner, Brother's Keeper, divided slave! United, hardworking-trained-brave, from dust we ascend up! Thank God for that! Our Brother's Teacher of the Moral ABC mason Hillel taught carpenter Jesus to unite all mankind free!"
-from a bottle of soap
569  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 04:22:34 PM
if you believe in the concept of forum plants, then TPTB_need_war fits the bill to a tee.

i don't know about Shelby Moore but i still think his acct could be mulitply owned and used to troll me down.  the sleep charts i put up yesterday still hold.  read about how their goal is to insert, befriend, divide and cause turmoil and division.  this thread used to be a relatively peaceful place other than the occasional food fight i'd have with tvbcof.  now look what it's become since TPTB_need_war showed up.  as JR says, a trainwreck.

it all fits and if i have to be the sacrificial lamb to prove it, so be it.  that is his intention after all; to discredit at all costs those who support the community the most.

570  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: June 07, 2015, 04:19:57 PM
...

rpietila

My recollection is that the Bible says that it is the love of money that is the root of evil.  A careful reading of Matthew's passage (and knowing the context of those days) re the rich man and the camel going through the eye of a needle suggests that it is not being rich per se, it is that the rich man must unload his camel at the town gate and pass through the little door to enter the city after dark...

*  *  *

I did not watch the video you linked (yet), but perhaps at small scale such altruism (sharing produce w/ neighbors) might work -- at that scale.

*  *  *

I completely agree that without concentration of capital it would be essentially impossible to build factories.  I know that would be the case for ball bearing plants which require a LOT of money to build and run. 

"Ball bearings are my business."

In a metropolis like New Orleans, you can literally give anything away to anyone that needs it when they need it and just know you'll have what you need when you need it. If a city like that can do it, why can't the world? Isn't it something we all do at a basal level, or at least, learning again to do, at some quantum level? Do squirrels actually forget where they bury their nuts, or do they just trust that they and their fellow brethren have also planted enough, whether for them or the trees?
571  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: June 07, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiVROBhwHUM&spfreload=10

This very brilliant guy Tellinger is advocating the society based on small communities that voluntarily send a part of their produce to the neighbors. Yet there is no money, no barter, no trade nor value involved.

It will become possible via higher consciousness, he says.

I say that even a higher consciousness cannot alleviate the economic calculation problem which makes it possible to construct a pencil, involving 80 phases of work, and sell it 12 for a dollar. The most important reason why we have money is to enable economic calculation and whenever someone ignores it yet talks about abundance, he does not know what he is talking about.

Tellinger says money is evil, I say the love of money is evil. Thoughts?

Evil is evil Tongue
572  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 03:43:24 PM
Obviously, I'm not allowed to talk about the case. vokain shamelessly knows this so he can freely go off.

Actually I didn't until you said you were, but it's besides the point. I've removed myself from the case as far as I could for the most part, and it no longer matters to me. Thank you for the blessing.

You have in place practically one of the largest monetary claims of all. You're lying.

Yeah it might be nice to get some more money, but it literally doesn't mean a thing to me. My father passed away recently.

Vokain if you want feel free to come talk with me in Bitmessage so perhaps money won't be an issue for you soon. Is New Orleans helping you with your grief?

Btw I hope readers know that Vokain gave away 10s of BTC to me (via rpietila) to distribute to typhoon victims in the Philippines in 2013. I still have the receipts and several photos of new roofs funded were posted in rpietila's thread.

This is a very young man doing that level of charity.

You know, it's not so bad because I got to learn who my dad is. I'm at peace. I'm definitely thankful for New Orleans.
573  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 03:24:56 PM
Obviously, I'm not allowed to talk about the case. vokain shamelessly knows this so he can freely go off.

Actually I didn't until you said you were, but it's besides the point. I've removed myself from the case as far as I could for the most part, and it no longer matters to me. Thank you for the blessing.

You have in place practically one of the largest monetary claims of all. You're lying.

Yeah it might be nice to get some more money, but it literally doesn't mean a thing to me. My dad passed away recently.
574  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 03:08:13 PM
Obviously, I'm not allowed to talk about the case. vokain shamelessly knows this so he can freely go off.

Actually I didn't until you said you were, but it's besides the point. I've removed myself from the case as far as I could for the most part, and it no longer matters to me. Thank you for the blessing.
575  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 02:51:08 PM
What, you mean your selling your identity to HashFast versus my giving mine away? It's what we chose, and I think that's fair for us both.

An online persona (including reputation) isn't the same thing as a True Name.  Disclosure/use of cypher's offline identity was never part of his deal with HF.

Sure, maybe legalistically.
576  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 02:34:37 PM
Seeing as it's information revealed in a public and decently high-profile bankruptcy case anyway: Dr. Marc A. Lowe from California.

Since you're always trying to push the bounds of you appearing to be fair and since you are in the same public case, why aren't you revealing your own identity? Or are you just trying to harass me? .

See: left

And you did it first in this thread :p

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg11554258;topicseen#msg11554258

To your level and without provocation? What's your identity out of fairness son?

What are we afraid of here? Ourselves?

אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה

simply avoiding what's fair I see.  What's fair for me is not fair for you it appears. I hope you're proud of yourself.

What, you mean your selling your identity to HashFast versus my giving mine away? It's what we chose, and I think that's fair for us both.
577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: June 07, 2015, 02:18:10 PM
"What should the market cap be?"

What is it now?

War'z  Wink

Rightfully so Smiley

"he transforms the lone nut into the leader"
https://youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=fW8amMCVAJQ
578  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: June 07, 2015, 02:07:20 PM
"What should the market cap be?"

What is it now?
579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: June 07, 2015, 01:21:04 PM
Plot of The Social Network: taking an idea that's been done (Friendster, Myspace) and borrowing a tweak of that idea (Harvard Connection) and building it into a scalable machine that will change the way the world works (Facebook).

And now they compare Facebook with monero...  Cheesy Roll Eyes

Monero is more profoundly innovative than Facebook. Facebook was an interaction of MySpace. Monero is the first system of any kind in all of human history to provide untraceable, unsinkable transactions in a completely trustless, decentralized, end-to-end manner.



You seem to contradict yourself.

On April 23 you said, "I'll give an honest answer. I don't think Monero is the most undervalued coin. I don't know what is, but it's probably something fairly unknown at this point."

Something more 'profoundly innovative' than Facebook would have a larger marketcap than a few million dollars, making Monero extremely undervalued.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1002657.msg11172151#msg11172151

You know, it's hard to mask (through objectivity) the (subjective) soul sometimes.
580  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 07, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
Seeing as it's information revealed in a public and decently high-profile bankruptcy case anyway: Dr. Marc A. Lowe from California.

Since you're always trying to push the bounds of you appearing to be fair and since you are in the same public case, why aren't you revealing your own identity? Or are you just trying to harass me? .

See: left

And you did it first in this thread :p

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68655.msg11554258;topicseen#msg11554258

To your level and without provocation? What's your identity out of fairness son?

What are we afraid of here? Ourselves?

"אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה"
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