I'm far from an expert on the subject, but from what I've read bitcoin is best described as a store of value. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Just because it's not considered money doesn't mean it doesn't have value. Gold isn't considered money, but it definitely has value. Gold is considered money by a large portion of the world, just because helicoper Ben doesnt think is money that doesnt mean much. I never said it doesn't have value just that it will never have mass appeal and can not replace the dollar. That is my motivation and the reason I am moving on. It is still fair at buying drugs off the internet as long as you do it quick. Boitcoin is an awful store of value. Ron Paul to Ben asking to define a dollar-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgXCBetCYVo |
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These articles are pretty bad. Edit: I take that back. These articles are awful and argued horrendously. False assumptions and invalid conclusions abound. Saying something is horrendous doesnt refute it. Feel free to define a bitcoin to me i would love to hear it. |
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You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.
Yes it is.... "Someone hacked my wallet.
September 27, 2013, 10:07:04 PM Not that any body around here gives a fuck and I am sure that its my fucking fault so you can save you fucking comments. This was it for me. I am gonna forget about fucking coins." Seriously sublime, this needs to stop. How self-important can you be to expect something as big bitcoin to undergo radical change just because you're unwilling to make a change as simple as adding two-factor authentication. 12 year old who play WoW have 2FA on their Battle.net account, but you act like it's some moral offense that you should have to do the same. This is basically what I was thinking, though I didn't respond as bluntly. This whole thing started off with you (sublime) being robbed of <2 btc. Then, when the attention shifted toward your lack of care regarding the mismanagement of your funds, you got defensive. So, you began finding anything negative that you could say about BTC regardless of whether it was relevant to the theft. This is obvious -- how could someone who claims to lack technical knowledge know why some particular aspect of BTC is flawed and then assume that there must be a fix? Hint: you can, but you're likely going to be wrong right from the get go. Most of your criticisms are non-issues because there are already solutions to them, while other criticisms are just inaccurate altogether. Furthermore, some of your demands and criticisms inherently contradict others. Your ego is bruised, and since there isn't anyone specific to blame other than yourself (identity of the thief is unknown), you attack a protocol that cannot act on its own. If you're not going to use BTC, at least provide us with the real reason, namely that you don't know how to use it and don't want to learn how. That's a more respectable position in my book. I do believe that BTC is too technical or inconvenient right now for many people, but if you operated a PayPal/btc business for over a year, then don't try to convince us that your 'laziness' is justified, expecially when BTC is still in BETA. No it isnt I decided to abandoned bitcoin before that. There is going to be a new monetary system, It wont be bitcoin. It will more than likely be SDR's. |
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You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.
Yes it is.... "Someone hacked my wallet.
September 27, 2013, 10:07:04 PM Not that any body around here gives a fuck and I am sure that its my fucking fault so you can save you fucking comments. This was it for me. I am gonna forget about fucking coins." Seriously sublime, this needs to stop. How self-important can you be to expect something as big bitcoin to undergo radical change just because you're unwilling to make a change as simple as adding two-factor authentication. 12 year old who play WoW have 2FA on their Battle.net account, but you act like it's some moral offense that you should have to do the same. Fine have it your way, I am sure your know better than me what my motivations are. |
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What the hell? Flag that prick....
Considering that sublime5447 has been a known liar I wouldn't believe things he says. Excuse me? evidence? I gotta say, as much as I tend to disagree with certain things that sublime5447 says regarding Bitcoin, I actually trust the guy more than I trust most users on this forum. (I've never engaged in any business with sublime5447.) Thanks  I am a very principled person. |
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what the hell is going here please remove this from here whats going on its for bitcoin no for this shit
Look at the thread it is off topic. It is important to expose this kinda behavior. |
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What the hell? Flag that prick....
Considering that sublime5447 has been a known liar I wouldn't believe things he says. melon Full Member *** Offline Activity: 135 View Profile Personal Message (Offline) Trust: -5: -1 / +0(0) Warning: Trade with extreme caution! (No subject) « Sent to: sublime5447 on: Today at 03:59:09 AM » Reply with quoteQuote ReplyReply Remove this messageDelete your wife eats my slimy cum n jizz its all over her face right now. no joke |
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Going around calling me a liar without any proof is pretty much a dick move GWEEDO.. I dont lie or steal so if you can prove otherwise I would love to see it.
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What the hell? Flag that prick....
Considering that sublime5447 has been a known liar I wouldn't believe things he says. Excuse me? evidence? |
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You keep going back to the wallet hack and I keep telling you that is not why I am getting out of supporting and using coins. There are many factors that is a small one.
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I am kinda glad that you can rate people even if you didnt trade with them now.
3 separate PM's.
"youre face down in a puddle of my sperm''
"your whole family etas puddles of my sperm" your wife and children too are dripping witj my cum they just got pedo'd by my cock .dumb faggot black nigger"
"your wife eats my slimy cum n jizz its all over her face right now. no joke"
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Hey sublime5447,
Sorry for your loss...
From what I saw... you lost around $200 ? isn't that too little to just quit all the hard work you put into building your buy/sell btc?
(I am sorry if you have lost more than that but I only saw $200.... I must've been so lazy to read the entire post...)
Also, I think I saw you said about blockchain wallet.... so it must've been online... and blockchain should be blamed not you...?
I agree on some points you said that it is "THEIR JOB" to protect your account/money... isn't this what big online banks do... or paypal?
Also about having 2 computers... that's a little bit overkill...
I have ONE LAPTOP... but inside this ONE LAPTOP I got 5 other computers.... or so called VIRTUAL MACHINES... and if one gets infected.. it cannot infect the other or around.. unless the MAIN is infected which is impossible because the MAIN is not used for online.. only offline..
5 Virtual Machines has:
1 for business
1 for advertising
1 for publishing
1 for handling my online servers (I got a lot of sites)
1 for you know... (no kids allowed)
Hey buddy, Na the 200 is nothing. It is about bigger issues. I just dont see how it can transition to something that can replace the dollar and that is my motivation. Here is a much shorter thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=305240.0 |
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Maybe spider silk or nano bees. Obvious reasons why chickens dont make good money, but anything real is better to store wealth than currency. I dont recommend keeping fiat as savings either, lucky for me i dont have to worry about it. I dont have money or currency. Bitcoin could be good currency but will never be good money. |
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It comes down to this for me.
Money is real wealth
Currency is the illusion of wealth.
Bitcoin is just an idea ones and zeros floating in the clouds. I cant eat it or cloth myself with it. It requires the internet and electricity which a large portion of the world doesnt have. I can go any where in the world with a chicken as money and it will be valuable. I wouldnt recommend saving with bitcoin it isn't real.
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If asking someone who was intent on doing you harm to please leave worked then ya we wouldnt need guns, but the reason that everyone doesnt kill one another isnt because of locked doors or motion lights or home security systems. Criminals dont care if your car is locked. I can break in 90 percent of the cars on the road in under 15 min. Locked doors are no deterrent in a home filled with glass windows. If i am criminal I will just lay and wait and get you to enter the pass code on your home security system. The real reason people dont go around killing one another is that 1 people are fundamentally good and 2 there is a credible use of force against them. Criminals want to live too ( most of them ) and look for victims that are not a threat. I dont care if you know where i live or that my doors are unlocked if you know that I dont fear you and I believe me I dont. |
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Once again we agree, but there is at least the pretense of system for retribution.
I find we agree quite often, on many things, except for when we don't!  I think a major point of contention between us is that I consider Bitcoin a store of value while you do not. I don't quite grasp the concept that something can be "currency" without being a store of value. Why would I accept it if it didn't hold value (at least long enough for me to get rid of it). I will even admit that fiat is a store of value for short periods of time. I know that Bitcoin has been extremely volatile (which takes away from it's ability to store value), but I also understand that when you introduce a disruptive technology like this, there will be a period of adjustment (possibly quite a long one). Once again I agree that fiat is a store of value over the short term and so is bitcoin but the difference between money and currency is that money is a store of value over the long term and currency is just a means of transacting. Money is a store of value over time because it is a commodity oil would be good money if it was easily transported, so would chickens they have real value and are not just a representation of value. |
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tl:dr
Put up bounty and people will do it, no one cares if you "come"
that is fine but if you cant persuade me (who wants it work) you will never get the general population to use it. They dont know that the worlds financial system is flawed the dont realize the mechanism that creates war and inequality is the control of money. They dont give a shit about that. All they know is that this is easier or this is better. |
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Social networks can be a system of reputation management, but they don't belong to the blockchain. The dollar has been very successful without a reputation management system built-in. We shall see BTC for what it is: a currency. There will always be good and bad people, exchanging fiat or BTC, but neither fiat nor BTC has any responsibility in telling who's who.
Yes it does it is called the court system Those with the most dollars can afford competent lawyers who are capable of revealing the loopholes in the system. Those without dollars, fuck 'em. Once again we agree, but there is at least the pretense of a system for retribution. |
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