....Both of them had heard of BTC, but both said that they had heard that Bitcoin was shut down and out of business. I tried explaining that they were probably talking about Gox being shut down, but they were convinced that it was BTC itself that had been shut down.
There is just too much misinformation out there still.
Don't think I'll ever forget the day i was told by a smug few that, "Bitcoin in Japan has crashed! It is no more. " People believe what they want to believe. From my perspective, the main challenges right now are that 1. exchanges keep getting hacked, and while the thefts make headlines, the paybacks--when they exist-- are rarely publicized. 2. "(eg, way to bypass credit card and banks expensive and inefficient services, and bypass government taxes and protectionism)" doesn't really make any difference to small buyers/everyday users when it costs so much extra to buy in at exchanges like localbtc and the large exchanges have their trains jacked so often. Why would consumers want to support something like that? It's not as though most blue collar workers can afford to lose much. tldr; If btc was supposed to help the little guy out it is now failing b/c a lot of those little guys are greedy and self-centered, just like Mr. Big Bank and Uncle Sam. Hate to sound like a downer, but that's what it looks like from this honeybee's POV. Some months ago my brother said something about, that all the Bitcoin-Exchanges are getting shut down(besides MTGox, there were also some small ones, I have never heard about before they were shut down) and therefor it doesn't is safe. Today he owns some Bitcoins. |
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2) He most likely has control over those coins still (he invented bitcoin with damn near perfect, do you really think he'd be so careless to lose his private keys?)
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According to Gavin, Satoshi was pretty sloppy, when it came to programming. (I never looked into the code, but you would see that there). So he is far from perfect. I am saying this, with all respect to Satoshi, but he is just not that god-like person, a lot of people illustrates him |
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klingt interessant
Ich dachte schon, ich müsste nach Berlin um mal in einer Bar mit Bitcoins zu bezahlen, aber das hier könnte ich mir nächsten Freitag mal ansehen.
Welchen Wechselkurs nehmt ihr für die Umrechnung?
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Man ist, überall so lange libertär und "Anti-Staat" und lehnt seine Gesetze ab, wie es einem passt.
Ich bin nicht grundsätzlidch Anti-Staat. Manche Gesetze sind sinnvoll andere nicht. Da gebe ich keine Pauschalbewertung ab. Das hat nichts mit Bigotterie zu tun. Jemand der grundsätzlich Anti-Staat oder Pro-Staat ist, ist einfach nicht sonderlich intelligent. |
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I agree with the fact that Bitcoin is cheap to use today (because there are very few services on top of it), but as pointed out:
"...BTC never can go mainstream -- unless reliable (and regulated) third parties emerge. And such third parties can only operate at a cost, i.e. basically the same way the banks and credit card companies operate."
So what is still unclear to me, in the long run, how can bitcoin companies be profitable without adding direct or indirect costs to the system?
I still don't understand what costs you are talking about. Sure, when a companie wants to sustain it has to make profits. That's one thing, but that hasn't really much do to with Bitcoins, because this profit is made by selling something for more money that it costs. The costs we are talking about, is e.g. the fee Paypal takes. If you don't use PayPal than there is no fee(for example you meet and pay with cash). What fees are there with Bitcoin? You have the transaction fee, which is pretty small. You might have a fee, when you exchange BTC for another currency, but this fee is not that big either. You might also want to use an escrow service, I don't know what that costs. I think, when you add this fees up, it is still way less, than the Paypal fee. |
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It was down. I checked it my self. So, don't bitch about something you don't know. |
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We're talking about finance not philosophy here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_(finance) w rare metal money you have to think of the time when coins were minted w specie. If the King mints a $100 gold coin using $50 (market price) of gold, the intrinsic value is $50 & the extrinsic value is $50 Oh, thank you. I somehow managed to don't find that myself on Wikipedia. |
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So, I finally watched the video(youtube is blocked at work)
I still disagree with the use of the word "intrinsic value" and the video made that clear. If you don't see being a tool for trade as an intrinsic value, than you can not see crossing borders, can not be counterfeited, etc. as intrinsic values, since this things are just useful, when you use Bitcoins as a tool of trade.
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More importantly, what would it take to put BTC (or another digital currency) in the hands of hundreds of millions of people around the world to use daily?
For Bitcoin to reach the point where as much as 0.1 % of the world's population are using it, we'd need a reliable, user-friendly infrastructure. We'd need trustworthy exchanges and "Bitcoin banks". All of this is clearly impossible without some type of regulations, since exchange owners and other BTC service providers currently have every incentive to steal from their customers, as proven by Bitcoin's history. What do you mean by "Bitcoin Banks"? The whole idea of Bitcoins is, that you don't need a bank. |
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I just wanted to let you know that i sold my good old friend Willy to Slovenia. They are having some problems configurating him correctly.
But i´m on my way to the airport right now, to help em get everything fixed. You will soon see a new ATH.
Yours
Mark
You can not be the right Mark Karpeles, since he would have written soon-ish.  |
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Sorry but I am not seeing proof - I am seeing two emails between two different people. Can some one please explain like I am five?  The second E-Mail was written at 17:55:45, the third was written at 17:56:27. Phinnaeus Gage claims that Satoshi can not have read the second E-Mail and answered it in 42 seconds. There for the third must have been prepared before the second was even send. I say, the timestamps are just wrong. |
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Es ist sehr mühsam mit Nicht-Kunden stundenlang über einen potentiellen 'Gewinn' von 25 Cent BRUTTO zu diskutieren, deswegen ist das hier mein letzter Kommentar zu diesem leidigen Thema.
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Manchmal stellt sich schon die Frage, wie Menschen in Westeuropa, die gar keine Absicht haben je etwas zu kaufen, ihre eigene Zeit so wenig wert sein kann.
Wer in der bedauerlichen Lage ist um Centbeträge feilschen zu müssen, sollte sich vielleicht fragen, was er um diese Uhrzeit an einem Werktag in einem Bitcoin-Forum zu suchen hat.
Das ich Nicht-Kunde bin, ist deine eigene Schuld. Ich war zuerst sehr positive eingestellt, aber diese Einstellung hast du geändert. Ich habe bereits echtes Geld investiert und das sind bei diesem Preisunterschied keine Cent-Beträge mehr. |
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Intrinsic value is an ethical and philosophic property. It is the ethical or philosophic value that an object has "in itself" or "for its own sake", as an intrinsic property. An object with intrinsic value may be regarded as an end or (in Kantian terminology) end-in-itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_(ethics) If the value depends on the situation, it is not intrinsic. Then in that case, give me an example of an intrinsic value with undisputed high value in every situation. The "value" of it must be equal in every situation. If you go back to the example I gave you for silver, its intrinsic value is that it's a great semiconductor, and great for antiseptics. However, these properties will not be useful in every situation, but these properties are still inherent no matter the situation. These are still intrinsic value, but will vary depending on the situation. I think, we are going in the wrong direction here. Like I said before, I just know the term "intrinsic value" in a philosophical way. I never heard or read some using it in any other context. I am not a philosopher, I read some philosophical books and took some philosophical courses at university, but that is it. If you have ever heard of constructivism you might realise there is nothing undisputed in the philosophical world. So, my question is, is there another use of this term in maybe the financial markets/economics? |
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Dass der Post gelöscht wird, damit musstest du rechnen bei einem selbst moderierten Thread. Jetzt hast du ja denhier aufgemacht und jeder kanns lesen  Allerdings kann es aus marketingtechnischen Gründen unabhängig von scam oder nciht scam sinnvoll sein, solche posts zu löschen - das ist also meiner Meinung nach noch kein Beweis dass da was raus ist. Eine Unterstellung ist es natürlich auch unabhängig vom wahrheitsgehalt. Natürlich ist das verhalten weniger vertrauenswürdig als wenn sie es stehen lassen würden, aber vielleicht wollen sie nicht dass duch den Post im Thread Kunden verschreckt werden. Bei der Whois Abfrage selbst sehe ich keine probleme. Vielleicht wollen die Jungs von Blizzcoin nicht bekannt sein um keine Steuern zahlen zu müssen oder um sich möglichst davor zu schützen dass ihr business von einer Behörde des eigenen Landes zugemacht wird. Das sind aber alles Dinge, die die Geschäftsbeziehung mit dem Kunden nicht beeinträchtigen sollten (und für die es eben gute Gründe geben kann). Solange der Serviec stimmt und funktioniert, sehe ich keinen grund daraus herumzureiten. Es ist ja nicht so dass die Kunden auf dauerhafte Verfügbarkeit etc angewiesen sind oder dass Blizzcoin längere Zeit das Geld der Kunden hält - es wird im Gegenteil ja anscheinend sofort ausgezahlt und anscheinend gibt es schon ein paar zufriedenen Kunden. Natürlich mag es gute Gründe für das Vorgehen geben, aber die soll man dann bitte anführen und nicht einfach sagen, dass es sich um eine Unterstellung handelt und aus. Es ist auch keine Unterstellung, es sind Fragen, die man nicht beantworten will. Fragen die nicht einmal böse gemeint waren. |
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Vorschlag: + Geh einfach in die nächste Trafik, + kauf den kleinstmöglichen Bon (ca. halbe Stunde Wartezeit bis Bon aktiv ist), + geh auf www.blizzcoin.com+ erhalte deine Bitcoins in 5 Sekunden Dann kommst du zurück und, falls du etwas Anstand hast, entschuldigst du dich für diesen Troll-Thread, oder was auch immer das hier darstellen soll und änderst den Titel in "Vorsicht, Blizzcoin ist super" Würde ich das machen, würde es nichts an den Punkten ändern, die mir suspect sind. Fakt ist: Es ist nicht einsehbar, wer überhaupt dahinter steckt. Wen verklagt man also wenn es in einem Jahr dann doch nicht mehr funktioniert. Dabei ist vollkommen egal, ob es heute funktioniert. Fakt ist: Der BTC-Preis ist höher als auf gängigen Börsen. Das mag sein, um euch gegen Schwankungen abzusichern oder auch einfach nur zur Gewinnmaximierung, aber dennoch braucht es ein Kriterium, dass diesen Preis festlegt. Wenn ihr das nicht offen legen wollt, dann sagt zumindest ehrlich, dass ihr es nicht offen legen wollt. Hättest du etwas Anstand, hättest du mein Posting nicht einfach gelöscht, wir hätten das in deinem Thread diskutieren können und ich hätte nicht diesen erstellen müssen. Meine Grundintention war es nicht euch anzuschwärzen. Ich dachte, ihr hättet die Punkte einfach vergessen, aber deine Reaktion zeigt, dass man diese Dinge absichtlich verschleiert. |
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Do yourself a favor and read up on what communism means. Don't simply type garbage. Communism is neither a dangerous thing nor is it a threat to your "freedom". It's only problem is that true communism can never be achieved in real life. What all these so-called communist countries are following a system of centralization,which focuses power in the hands of a few. True communism has the State controlling the resources of a community,however in real life,no state can run without an head,which is the problem. As for communism screwing over Bitcoin,the truth couldn't be further away. As noted in the comment above,these countries can barely figure out the internet.
As I spent my first twenty-some years in a communist country, I do not agree. Don't pretense yourself with fairy tales like "true communism". There are no such thing. Apart from some dreamers nobody promised a "true communism". Even Marx, Engels and Lenin believed in a kind of "practical communism". ...and certainly there was a "real life communism", and that was a dangerous thing, represented by some dangerous people and it definitely took our freedom and wealth away. I know that from my very own first hand experience . You didn't spend your "first twenty-some years in a communist country". You might have spend it in a country, that calls it self Communist. There are also countries which call themselves Democratic, and have nothing to do with a democracy |
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"Intrinsic value" is relative to the situation. If you're drowning in a lake, a bottle of water will have zero intrinsic value. If you're dying of thirst in a desert, that same bottle of water has a very high intrinsic value.
That is not how "intrinsic value" is used. No? Then how is it used. The example I gave is a perfect example. If you want to relate it to the current topic, then silver can also be used as a currency, and at the same time it has other intrinsic value. A lot of it is used in electronics and photography. But if I did not manufacture any electronics, then it would be useless to me in that aspect, but nevertheless it still has the characteristics of a being a good electrical conductor. Likewise, if I wasn't in the medical field, then I wouldn't care for the antiseptic properties of silver. So even though silver has all these intrinsic values, it could still be worthless, depending on the situation. Intrinsic value is an ethical and philosophic property. It is the ethical or philosophic value that an object has "in itself" or "for its own sake", as an intrinsic property. An object with intrinsic value may be regarded as an end or (in Kantian terminology) end-in-itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrinsic_value_(ethics) If the value depends on the situation, it is not intrinsic. |
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Thanks turvarya. I'd edit that in a minute. any info when the exchange in EMpTyGox will resume?
segeln, you mean the title? and that it must say "[28-05-2014]BitCoin now on coinwik.org "?
I hope you understood that I meant ^^ MtGox: http://mtgox.comI don't think it will ever resume |
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Following are the status of current communist nations about Bitcoin 1. China: Banned except from Hong Kong, the free trade zone 2. Russia, the ex-communist: Banned but running the arguably biggest exchange BTC-e 3. North Korea: Kim Jong Un is yet to figure out what is Bitcoin. He is more interested in nuclear weapons to jump on the US force deployed at Japan. 4. Cuba: The Castro brothers are yet to figure out the internet, let alone Bitcoin. Where did u find communists are trying to centralize Bitcoin ?  Actually China and Russia are more hardcore capitalist then most of the western capitalist countries . I don't think, most of the people here know what communism means. Must comments in this thread are just disturbing. Seems like US-Propaganda did a good job. Snail2's comment sums that up pretty good. Btw. I am not a communist. I like the principal concept, but I don't think it could work. |
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Something I thought odd when the article was published (and I am not saying that this is the reason), David Gilson (the author of the article) is quite a prolific blogger, you can find his blog here;- http://davidgilson.co.uk/blog/Yet if you do a search of his blog ( http://davidgilson.co.uk/?s=willy) nothing. I have been a bit ill of late or I would have done a bit further digging. Neil I guess, he published it on WordPress because he knew it would be taken down eventually and didn't want, that this influences his blog. |
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