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141  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 27, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
It's under spec. Not hugely, but significantly.
You mean that it's under spec by 1.25%? And that it is significant?

I don't want to defend HF here, but the only thing under spec that matters is the delivery date.

I wasn't implying anything about the relative importance of the two issues.  Of course if this damn machine had been delivered when promised, it would have been f@rking fantastic... but it wasn't, not by a long shot.  But why don't we keep that side of the discussion in the other thread?

Edit:  Oh, ooops.  I am in the other thread.  Sorry.


Even it had been delivered on time, it would have been a bit underwhelming.
My KNC Jupiter cost $1362 more but it arrived in early october (2-3 weeks before HF expected shipping date) and runs at 550 GH/s at 575w (roughly the same power efficiency but much faster).

So hashfast would have been competitive if shipped on time, but still not that much better than the rest.
142  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast BabyJet users thread on: January 27, 2014, 07:42:28 PM
You can run it off any PC, and that's preferable anyway since the RPi is a piece of shit. Just plug in a USB cable. The sierras don't even have one so you have to run them via USB. Any instability still around is firmware related and remember it's still early days since release (even though release was late) but once my sierra is running it does not miss a beat.

Mine is happily hashing from an old mini PC desktop.  Will try to resolve a driver conflict with Karin's help and get it hashing on the Mac mini later today.

Interestingly, after running overnight, this BJ seems a little off-spec.  It's doing about 395-7 g/hash (running cgminer 3.11).

OTOH, my HW error rate is very low and with an ambient temp of 21c (70f) my processor temp is 69-70c. What did other people get for out of the box processor temps?

I guess I should experiment with overclocking next...  I've seen 610 mentioned... other suggestions?

And sorry ckolivas, I didn't mean to suggest the Mac driver issue was your problem.  It was intended merely as an observation.

And finally... why don't we try to move all this operational discussion here, rather than in the other thread?

Your BJ is fine. They don't hit 400 GH/s unless they are overclocked. 3.11 is giving you the real hashrate. What you saw before 3.11 included hashing errors that aren't counted by the mining pools.
143  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 27, 2014, 04:57:44 PM
You can run it off any PC, and that's preferable anyway since the RPi is a piece of shit. Just plug in a USB cable. The sierras don't even have one so you have to run them via USB. Any instability still around is firmware related and remember it's still early days since release (even though release was late) but once my sierra is running it does not miss a beat.

Mine is happily hashing from an old mini PC desktop.  Will try to resolve a driver conflict with Karin's help and get it hashing on the Mac mini later today.

Interestingly, after running overnight, this BJ seems a little off-spec.  It's doing about 395-7 g/hash (running cgminer 3.11).

OTOH, my HW error rate is very low and with an ambient temp of 21c (70f) my processor temp is 69-70c. What did other people get for out of the box processor temps?

I guess I should experiment with overclocking next...  I've seen 610 mentioned... other suggestions?

And sorry ckolivas, I didn't mean to suggest the Mac driver issue was your problem.  It was intended merely as an observation.

And finally... why don't we try to move all this operational discussion over the the user's thread?  I would still like a thread more focused on the company and its operations (and interesting cast of characters), like this one was before HF really started shipping.

In fact, I'm going to xpost over there.

610 is good but you might void your warranty by doing this FYI and with any ocing you risk damaging the hw.  So do this at your own risk.. Sorry needed to add this disclaimer.

Overclocking is the ONLY way you can even hit their promised performance!

If you clock to 610, cgminer will show it runnign at about 450 GH/s. But we know now this is not the REAL hashrate. Eligius will show it running at 425 GH/s. Why? Because cgminer is currently incorrectly counting bad shares (unless you upgrade to 3.11).

Upgrade cgminer to 3.11 and you'll see the hashrate drop to 425, the REAL HASHRATE.

Now, put the settings back to stock (clock 550), cgminer will show 420 GH/s but the real hashrate will be <395 GH/s. Not even the 400 GH/s we were promised.

Once again HashFast has over-promised and under-delivered.

btw, the BJs are not very overclockable. You probably won't be able to go higher than 615 clock without crashes every 30 seconds. I was hoping the BJs would be overclockable to at least 500 GH/s but now it looks like not even 450 GH/s is possible and overclocking is necessary just to hit 400 GH/s.
144  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 26, 2014, 03:41:50 AM
Anyone know how to connect remotely to the raspberry pi, or to the management interface? Like if mine's running in Chicago at home, and I'm in New York, can I ssh to the raspberry pi somehow? Maybe I have to open up ports in the router? (Has this been answered already, post link please).


You have to connect to you router and open up a port to forward to the raspberry pi. Every router is different but there should an option for it somewhere. On my belkin router it's called "virtual servers".

You need to set a static IP on your raspberry pi. I haven't figured out how to do this yet. The ssh port is port 22. The web management port is 80.
145  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast BabyJet users thread on: January 25, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Does anyone know how to set up minepeon so it uses a static IP address. I don't want to use DHCP. I tried using wicd-curses to reconfigure it but it didn't seem to work. I'm familiar with setting up a static IP on my raspbian pis but not on arch linux.
146  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast BabyJet users thread on: January 25, 2014, 10:50:40 PM
The RPi is a toy and a piece of shit. Why anyone would run thousands of dollars worth of equipment off it is beyond me. Toss it and connect your devices to a real PC or laptop.
+1  Cool

This. I have 5 of them that I've been using to run my other miners (BFL and BitBurners) and they are notoriously unreliable. Every once in a while the SD cards will die necessitating a rebuild of the whole image. And the USB ports are the worst. Even with a powered hub they aren't able to drive my bitburners anymore and I ended up having to buy a tiny computer and putting Linux on it.
147  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 25, 2014, 10:46:12 PM
Everyone was complaining that Hashfast wasn't telling us the hashrate and wattage of the rigs. Now there are a number of people who have them and I have asked what those numbers are (wattage at specific hashrate) and no one seems to be able to answer.

This is usually the first thing reported when new hardware hits consumers hands.

Please, someone, take a second and check it.

Yeah, this is kind of ridiculous.

But don't worry. I'm going to pick up my BJ tonight from FedEx (HashFast shipped it to the wrong address), and once I do, I'm going to measure the power consumption right away at a variety of speeds and I'll post it here.


Default hashrate (clock 550) is 419 GH/s with power consunmption of 410 watts.

With clock at 600, power comsumption is about 448 watts. Harshrate is hard to measure because the BJ will occasionally reboot and screw up the cgminer stats. My estimate is it is somewhere between 430 and 450 GH/s.

I haven't gotten the BJ to work at 650 or 700 clock yet. It reboots too frequently.
148  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What would you do if you had mined 500 BTC in 2011 and still have it on: January 24, 2014, 11:49:42 PM
I would hodl.
149  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: BTC difficulty going down on: January 24, 2014, 11:27:03 PM
Hashrate doesn't drop. But diff could,
No, hashrate stays the same, difficulty stays the same.
If you distribute hashpower from big pools to much greater number of nodes, those individual nodes now have less hashrate and need more time to generate new blocks.
Diff is then adjusted.

I don't think you understand. Why would the indiviudal nodes have less hashrate? The total hashrate would still be the same. The only way that would happen would be if some shut off their miners.
150  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 24, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
Everyone was complaining that Hashfast wasn't telling us the hashrate and wattage of the rigs. Now there are a number of people who have them and I have asked what those numbers are (wattage at specific hashrate) and no one seems to be able to answer.

This is usually the first thing reported when new hardware hits consumers hands.

Please, someone, take a second and check it.

Yeah, this is kind of ridiculous.

But don't worry. I'm going to pick up my BJ tonight from FedEx (HashFast shipped it to the wrong address), and once I do, I'm going to measure the power consumption right away at a variety of speeds and I'll post it here.
151  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 24, 2014, 09:28:07 PM
I feel bad for people who got scammed by Hashfast. If they didn't promise BTC refunds or the miner protection plan, I'm sure they would not have gotten nearly as many orders as they did.

The sad fact is that 400 GH is only worth ~4 BTC right now. In fact, you can get 2 Antminers shipped immediately for 3.8 BTC, and that price will fall when the next batch is available after the Chinese new year.

400 GH will probably only earn around 5 BTC mining nonstop from now until it is no longer viable.

Actually, like BFL, if the price of BTC hadn't risen x10 HashFast would be out of business right now.
152  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 24, 2014, 08:56:09 PM
I got a call from HashFast yesterday saying that my BJ was shipped out by FedEx the day before (Wednesday night).

They said they'd send me the tracking number by e-mail shortly.
It's now a day later and no tracking number, and no BJ.  

I have no idea what is going on. Has anyone else had this happen?

I am in the same situation... but I have a tracking number, so at least I have some visibility into the machines progress.
One of my units was shipped out Wednesday night with Priority Overnight Delivery.
But... it was picked up at 6:15PM which is after their overnight deliver deadline.  
That being said.. it was scheduled for delivery today before 10:30AM.  
However, it was still 2 states away at 9:30AM so... I am still waiting.  Even though that state is in the midwest, the Fedex site said something about delays on the east coast.

Anyway, right now it is on a truck out for delivery... so... I imagine in the next couple of hours it will show up at my door... but boy am I feeling jinxed.

I bet that is what is going on for me too.

But it seems like HashFast might have shipped it to the wrong address!! Looking at my original invoice I see that I had different billing and shipping addresses. But looking at a later invoice it seems like they are shipping to my billing address!! I'm pretty angry right now. I don't even know where the BJ is going as I don't even have a tracking number!

153  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 24, 2014, 08:24:02 PM
Quote
In the meantime, we want to hear your hashing stories!

My hashing story

01/24/2014

Still not hashing
 
Stuff was promised to be shipped end of October 2013
 
Paid 61 BTC

Getting anxious if I will be able to mine this back.

This is exactly my hashing story too!
154  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 24, 2014, 04:21:29 PM
I got a call from HashFast yesterday saying that my BJ was shipped out by FedEx the day before (Wednesday night).

They said they'd send me the tracking number by e-mail shortly.

It's now a day later and no tracking number, and no BJ. 

I have no idea what is going on. Has anyone else had this happen?
155  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s on: January 23, 2014, 05:04:04 PM
My order #605 of 20 baby jets just shipped out from Hashfast today, and there arriving tomorrow!

Also talked to someone from Hashfast yesterday and he said they expect all of Batch #1 to be shipped out by the 28th of this month.

Where did you hear this?? Did they e-mail you?

This seems strange as I have an earlier order number than you but I haven't heard anything yet.

I'm expecting a BJ to just show up at my door, hopefully today when I get home!
156  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How Many TH will you need to mine 1 BTC per month in January 2015? on: January 22, 2014, 11:34:05 PM
For those of you who voted 25TH and below, whats your reasoning behind the difficulty plateauing in 2014?

Difficulty can not get anywhere near that high unless one of a two things happen:

1) The price of bitcoin goes up several times to $3,000 or more.
2) Super efficient miners appear. We are already at 20nm (coming soon from KNC) and so I doubt we'll see anything better than 0.5w/GH/s in 2014.
3) Electricity somehow becomes super cheap worldwide.

Otherwise, if 25TH/s was required with current BTC price and miner efficiency you would spend more money on electricity than you'd get back in BTC. Yes, there are people out there who have "free" electricity but there is nowhere near enough to support a mining network a couple of orders of magnitude larger than there is now.
157  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How Many TH will you need to mine 1 BTC per month in January 2015? on: January 22, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
This is actually really simple.

First, let's assume BTC is $1000/btc at that time. It reality it could be way higher or way lower, but I think that's a reasonable guess for now.
 
Assume the most efficient miner available is 0.5w/GH/s and average electricity rate is $0.15/kwh.

That means spending $1000/month in electricity will get you 9,250 GH/s of hashing power.

For 9,250 GH/s of hashing power to make you 1 btc/month, difficulty would have to be at about 140 billion.

It reality miners need to make money to cover the cost of their hardware, so I doubt difficulty will go much higher than 100 billion if btc is at $1000, but around 100 billion is a good guess.

EDIT: so the answer is really less than 9250 GH/s.

It CAN'T be much more than this because the electricity cost to run the miners would be more than the miners would make assuming BTC is still around $1000/btc.

We aren't going to see miners more efficient than 0.5 w/GH/s either and even that is pushing it. That part you can be sure of.
158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins destroyed if unused, to keep bitcoin supply known? on: January 22, 2014, 08:42:09 PM
It's a very bad idea, but the problem of unused/lost coins IS a big problem. This just isn't a valid solution.


As someone said before, the price is a function of supply and demand. If the supply is unknown, price will be unknown and potentially volatile.

And as time goes on, more and more coins will be in that "unknown" state where we don't know if they are lost or just beings saved.

The more coins that are like that, the more uncertain what the real supply of bitcoin is.

And remember, eventually ALL bitcoins will be lost!
159  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Amazon to start accepting bitcoin on: January 21, 2014, 10:48:53 PM
I can just see the meeting of Amazon execs now...


"So, we've been working on retooling our website to accept bitcoins as a payment method for a while now. It should be ready soon. How should we let the public know about this? A press release? A big banner on our website? A series of TV commercials? No, let's just tell to some random asshole who e-mailed our support center and let me spread the word to everyone else. Yeah, that's what we'll do."
160  Economy / Economics / Re: 85 people now own 50% of world's wealth on: January 21, 2014, 08:56:23 PM
The original title is "85 richest people own as much as bottom half of population"

And you say "85 people now own 50% of world's wealth"

Any problem with your reading comprehension?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Nice catch.  I hadn't even noticed that.  Could use less snark.

This was actually misquoted on the radio this morning too.

The DJ said that the richest 85 people own 50% of the worlds wealth. That didn't seem right to him, or to me. Happy to know that he was mistaken.
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