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821  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 28, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
Any news from DeadTerra with bitfunder dividends?

I want to know the same thing. wtf is going on?
822  Economy / Speculation / Re: Well we are back to the triple digits again on: June 28, 2013, 05:21:43 AM
And back to double digits again Wink
823  Economy / Speculation / Re: Well we are back to the double digits again on: June 28, 2013, 02:32:26 AM
Such lament already and yet the bear market in Bitcoin has only barely begun!

It's been a bear market for a month now. Bitcoin likely can't survive another extended bear market. Those of you who want cheap coins be careful what you wish for.


Your perspective seems pretty short and shallow.

The chances of bitcoin actually succeeding are very slim. Very few people actually use bitcoin and even fewer haven even heard of it. We need to build some momentum if it's ever going to succeed.

Bitcoins have actually become much harder to trade in the past couple of months (no more dwolla on mtgox, and no more usd mtgox bank transfers) and it is still way to hard for the average person to obtain bitcoins. And many of the Bitcoin promises (bitcoin ATM, bitinstant debit card, paypal and western union looking into bitcoin) have yet to become reality.

There doesn't seem to be much on the horizon for bitcoin right now other than increased government regulation.

i don't think you've invested a lot of time in understanding what's going on with btc .. there's a lot besides regulation. many new companies are coming out this year. lots of money that's been invested into innovation. the common person does not know TCP/IP yet uses it everyday.

I read these forums everyday. I read Bitcoin news everyday. I mine and I trade bitcoins almost everyday. I follow bitcoin about as closely as you can.

The problem with it is indeed everything right now is just news. Coinlab promised us a new, awesome, easy-to-use exchange. Where did that go? Where is my bitcoin ATM? Where is my bitcoin debit card? There are two restaurants in my area that accept bitcoins but those have been doing that for months with no signs of anymore jumping on the bitcoin bandwagon. All these startups getting funding is great, but until their ideas come to fruition bitcoin is going to mean nothing to the average joe.

When my girlfriend needs cash to take the bus to come see me, I still have to western union her money and pay 10%. She has a bitcoin wallet and I can send her bitcoins but are useless to her.

The current $100 bitcoin price is already based purely on speculation on what is to come. Some of these promises need to become reality and we need some more good news coming up to keep interest up. The first thing that needs to happen is a decent exchange for those of us who wish to trade bitcoins for US dollars. CampBX is the closest we have but they are horribly slow and buggy even when there is no volume and they could never deal with any reasonable amount of volume.
824  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Selling my in-hand Avalon Batch #2 on: June 28, 2013, 02:12:38 AM
Where are you located? Will you do escrow?
825  Economy / Speculation / Re: Well we are back to the double digits again on: June 28, 2013, 02:11:33 AM
Such lament already and yet the bear market in Bitcoin has only barely begun!

It's been a bear market for a month now. Bitcoin likely can't survive another extended bear market. Those of you who want cheap coins be careful what you wish for.


Your perspective seems pretty short and shallow.

The chances of bitcoin actually succeeding are very slim. Very few people actually use bitcoin and even fewer haven even heard of it. We need to build some momentum if it's ever going to succeed.

Bitcoins have actually become much harder to trade in the past couple of months (no more dwolla on mtgox, and no more usd mtgox bank transfers) and it is still way to hard for the average person to obtain bitcoins. And many of the Bitcoin promises (bitcoin ATM, bitinstant debit card, paypal and western union looking into bitcoin) have yet to become reality.

There doesn't seem to be much on the horizon for bitcoin right now other than increased government regulation.
826  Economy / Speculation / Re: Well we are back to the double digits again on: June 28, 2013, 01:59:34 AM
Such lament already and yet the bear market in Bitcoin has only barely begun!

It's been a bear market for a month now. Bitcoin likely can't survive another extended bear market. Those of you who want cheap coins be careful what you wish for.
827  Economy / Speculation / Well we are back to the double digits again on: June 28, 2013, 01:42:26 AM
There hasn't been any good news from the Bitcoin market in about a month now.

I've just been watching the value slowly decrease every day.

It's a lot more disheartening than the sudden drops we've seen in the past because with those we know that what drops fast can go up fast too.

But Bitcoin has not risen fast in quite a while.

It still feels like the bubble is deflating and it seemed to many that the wall at $100 would hold it. But that doesn't seem to be the case and unless something good in Bitcoin news happens soon I fear it will continue to deflate with no bottom in sight. Bitcoin needs to something exciting to generate interest in it again but I don't know what that it is or when it is coming. Sad
828  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Beware of this website selling coprocessors on: June 27, 2013, 07:54:25 PM
Seems like a scam as they cost waaaay more than 5 bitcoins.
829  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin ATM: any news after San Diego? on: June 27, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
People understimate how difficult it is to get these licenses and how much they cost.

It can cost millions per state and a lot of record keeping must be kept.

The only way the bitcoin ATM could happen is if a large bank that already has ATMs (Bank of America, Citibank, etc) decides to get involved.


In other news, I'm still waiting for bitcoin debit card!
830  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Kncminer Miner Poll on: June 26, 2013, 09:53:05 PM
Pools are a MUST. You aren't likely to find a block in any reasonable time even with that much hash power because difficulty will be so high in September.

I'd love to solo mine but if the average time to find a block is more than a couple of days, it is not worth the risk.
831  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Who designs a Mining Board for BFL Chips? on: June 26, 2013, 09:50:36 PM
Anyone in here can do that please? ^^

I think no one is bothering because there is no reason to chose BFL over Avalon. BFL is far riskier and sketchier operation and people are going to stick with the more reliable company and technology given that their chips are pretty much the same price.
832  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: I know it's too late, but aren't we shooting ourselves in foot by buying ASIC? on: June 25, 2013, 09:46:16 PM
You're wrong.

People will stop buying new miners when new miners stop being profitable.  But as I calculate it right now, it would take 818,325 of BFL's SC Singles to be in use before mining becomes unprofitable at $0.08/kwh, not taking into account any unit depreciation.  Given that BFL only had 75,000 chips produced in their first run, and that those 75,000 chips would only be enough to produce 4,687 SC Singles, I'd say that we're quite far from that happening even when taking all the other ASIC vendors into account.

Sure, we're moving away from the prospect of making ridiculous daily amounts of Bitcoin from one device, but we are still very far above the level of a reasonably sane return on investment.

An SC Single need only generate 1.5BTC per year to break even on electricity costs, but that is not why people would stop buying it. If an SC Single can't generate more Bitcoin than you could buy with the money you spend on the SC single, then people will stop buying the Singles.

If second generation ASICs coming online that do 300+ GH/s actually deliver, the hash rate is going to grow rapidly for the next 6 months. 100M+ difficulty makes an SC Single unprofitable (vs buying bitcoins). If you ordered one today, you would not receive it until late September (after 100TH/s of Avalon Klondikes have hit the market, and 200TH/s of BFL product has been delivered). That puts the difficulty over 60M before you even get your SC Single.

That is a small window and it is getting smaller. If KNCminer or Bitfury actually deliver...
Sure, I agree with you - people will only continue to buy them while they produce a reasonable amount of profit.  But my point still stands - people will stop buying them when they produce an unreasonable profit.  Which means they will always make a reasonable profit, notwithstanding improvements in the technology that give lower costs or more efficient mining.  Even with newer technologies, these older ASICs would likely still be profitable, just not reasonably profitable.

What you consider a reasonable profit and what a large scale mining operation with cheap electricity in another country consider a reasonable profit are completely different.

If your SC Single is only making a dollar a week, is it profitable for you? Probably not, but it might be for someone else who has 10,000 singles running for nearly free electricity.
833  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin (scrypt) chip miners? Why not? on: June 25, 2013, 09:43:14 PM
I can't understand why there is no FPGA or ASIC miners for litecoin / other scrypt crypto-coins.
What is the main technical problem?

I now that scrypt algorithm needs more memory to run. But in GPU, like 7970 processors has not so many memory for random access (usually cache N KB). FPGA on the other hand contain N MB of BRAM, faster than cache.
Slower part (random access too) is 2-4 GB DDR on GPU, but FPGA board may have multi-port DDR interface and also be faster than GPU.
What about ASIC - there is no problem to get SRAM on it up to 500 MB...

Can anyone answer?

They don't exist because Litecoin isn't worth it and most likely will die completely in the next year or so. No one is going to invest millions in designing an ASIC for an alt coin that has 0 use as currency.

Yes you could build an FPGA miner and maybe someone has but the advantage of FPGA miners is really only for the power consumption. They aren't actually any faster or cheaper than GPUs. Again, it's just not worth it for Litecoin or any other alt coin.

There are dozens of alt coins and all of them are just basically bitcoin with a minor tweak. None of them will succeed as there is no reason to choose one of them over the original.
834  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: People are overspeculating potential profits for bitcoin Mining on: June 25, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
Ok if that first link is truly  reflective of bitcoin mining then mining is still worth it, thanks for the reply.

Mining is worth it as long as your costs to accomplish the mining are less than the value of the amount you will mine.

unless you keep your mined coins until it becomes 1 BTC = 1 Milion Dolar :p

no, because they it would be cheaper to buy coins directly.

Dollars should not enter the picture at all.

Look at the costs in bitcoins only.
835  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: I know it's too late, but aren't we shooting ourselves in foot by buying ASIC? on: June 25, 2013, 05:49:29 PM
ASICs are AWESOME for bitcoin.

Think of what we had before... anyone with a reasonable amount of money, whether it be an individual, corporation or government could buy up GPUs and 51% attack the network.

Now if someone wanted to, they would have to spend a lot of money researching and developing their own ASIC just to have a chance. They could not buy enough commercial ASICs right now to do so and by the time they've developed their own ASIC the difficulty will be so high that even that might not be enough. Right now we are secure from everyone except maybe the NSA. And we've just made it significantly harder for them too.
836  Economy / Economics / Re: Which is better - Jale in hand now, or a Single in 3 months? on: June 24, 2013, 10:34:25 PM
Assuming both cost about the same, and the difficulty keeps going up exponentially... seems like a tough one to call. I suppose very long term, more hashrate would be better, but NOW is the time to mine before things get really out of hand.


Neither.

They won't pay for themselves if you are just buying them now.
837  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What Litecoin means for Bitcoin (and crypto in general) once it's on Mt.Gox on: June 24, 2013, 10:09:11 PM
The answer is simple:

1) As I said many times before MtGox will never actually implement Litecoin trading! You heard it here first!

2) Litecoin and all other alt coins are going to die. They offer no advantages over bitcoin right now and are purely speculatory. As GPU miners switch to Litecoin mining watch the price plummet as many new people are selling and no one is buying. (Yes, I know the number of LTC created a day is constant, but i believe more people will try to sell the Litecoin they mine, instead of holding).
838  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Mining Hardware - Purchase Method Poll on: June 24, 2013, 07:48:09 PM
Pre-order is the ONLY way you will ever make money back on mining.

If you wait long enough that you are buying from stock or from a reseller then you are too late!

Why would someone sell something that they could make more money with if they just kept the hardware for themselves??
839  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Those who have died while waiting for BFL to ship on: June 21, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
I'm more worried that JohnK might die with my bitcoins in escrow. What if no one knows his password and those bitcoins can never be recovered?

Who gets the product purchased if the funds can never be released?
840  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Are GPUs still relevant and for how long on: June 21, 2013, 04:54:53 PM
I'll keep using GPUs over ASIC because of a few reasons.

1) I don't trust any of these companies that are pre-ordering
2) If my ASIC is no longer bringing in many coins, or the hashing power is insignificant because of more powerful ASICs and/or the increasing difficulty, then it is a worthless device that will resell for no-where near what I paid for it 
3) If my GPU is no longer bringing in many coins, then I can move to another crypto-currency that is more profitable, if that doesn't work then I can move to another one, if that doesn't work then I can sell it for relatively the same amount that I paid for it.  People are always upgrading their computers and these cards are all pretty beasty


1) Just because you don't trust the ASIC companies doesn't mean at least some of them won't deliver (and all of them look like they are so far, so later than others, but still delivering).

2) GPUs will never sell for what you bought them for. GPUs will be mining so few bitcoins these days that you will have no chance of making the difference between what you buy and sell the GPUs at. Don't forget that they use far more electricity than ASICs.

3) The difficulty of those alt coins is going to soar as all the GPU miners do this. Alt coins are all going to die anyways within a year as there is only people mining them with no one buying them or using them as they are pretty much useless.
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