I started this topic with the thought in my mind that i am a newbie for one minute and i don't know anything, asking from the members here to explain me.
After many replies i understand that people that are in this section do exactly this: speculate about bitcoin and the future thinking only the money and what they can possible get. this double dream isn't going to happen in my opinion.

I have to say after long time on this forum and in the bitcoin world in general. i choose not to hear anything from this @@ about hard forking...

It's just not what Bitcoin is to have movements like ETH and some other Alts...

I choose to keep my miners on bitminter and to buy some more miners on the next weeks and put the work right away. my wallet was and will be from Bitcoin Core ( always updated )

This thing is a propaganda in my opinion and WE are in position to stop all this @@...

Hello bitcoin land,

after some relaxing moments where i not checked the price of the btc i look the charts for the last 1 hour and looks like we going up
to pass maybe 1000€ looks like its going to happen.
what your opinions? ( i don't want to speak more about this fork things etc here at least.. )

york the little times we wrote our opinions we had different ones. but on this i have to agree. i bought some yesterday and i bought today also some more.
if we see BTC at 800 euro or less then the ZEC wil pass 0.10-0.20 and maybe i say little...

i can't agree with you, If this was result of the ETF we would have seen that 1st day ( we saw that 1st seconds dump), instead what we have seen was a good bounce back after the dump and stable if you can say it reaction. Maybe what is happening is the BU and easy hands that dump in panik. but no way the ETF.

seems to me that at this moment is good to dump some of your holdings and wait to buy later as  all the charts shows that we have downtrend like i said about a week before.
enjoy the battle and don't put more that you can afford to loose ...

I don't know but in my eyes what you wrote is very real. i do trade every day and i do not touch that alt for any reason.
i wrote after etf many times and to this thread and to others that we are going down and at that time i bought alts. there is still time to buy some and win, of course dump at later time that you think is good for you. i HODL only BTC!

I strongly believe that is one of the best times to get rid of Fiat sauce that you eat for many many years and buy BTC sauce that is new tested and trusted from many sauce testers around the world..
We have reached the bottom as we can see. ( or not can't guarantee ) put down the mining expenses and tell me if you would sell at this price? the answer is no. maybe you choose to shut down or if you had good income last period update your mining equipment with a new sauce that will give more flavor to your BTC

so why do we still speak about this ? the most profitable coin to mine on is the BTC! we all know that .... no other coin went so high like this BTC right?
(of course i know about alts and difficulty BUT if you think that you will take a miner for all your life this is not how things work out don't answer me this way please....)
and now some "clever" people want to create or "own" this new coin right? do i get it right ?

ok let's make it more simple. you told us york 15 mln x 2 etc...

now let's say someone has 100 BTC in his wallet. as we speak happens the hard fork. what will be the result for this someone?

EDIT: roland we had the same question  to be answered

The last days we had the ETF discussion all around the forum, as we passed those news now we speak about hard fork IF will happen.

So can someone explain to me and i am sure to many other what will happen practically if this hard fork becomes reality?
  

i could not find a better thread as this is speculation related post

i don't know but maybe you see that almost 20 exchanges released a plan regarding the upcoming fork IF happen of course.

"As exchanges, we have a responsibility to maintain orderly markets that trade continuously 24/7/365. It is incumbent upon us to support a coherent, orderly and industry-wide approach to preparing for and responding to a contentious hard fork. In the case of a bitcoin hard fork, we cannot suspend operations and wait for a winner to emerge."

What they say in my ears is : "As exchanges, we are here to win and manipulate orderly markets that trade continuously 24/7/365. It is incumbent upon us to win from a coherent, orderly and manipulated-wide approach to preparing for and responding to a contentious win-win situation. In the case of a bitcoin rip off, we cannot suspend operations and wait a for a winner to emerge, we will be the winner"

* This is a funny approach and i don't mean to say that this is the reality. anything you say can and will be used against you so, allow me to post as joke

People? do you believe what you post here?
i really start feel very strange with the things i read the last period... you keep all repeating that it won't go below $1k....
do you see the price or what?? the price has gone down the last 4 hours 60 euro! and if the next hours continues like this we go 3 digits

I personally don't like those coins, but i have to agree with you, there is space for all and must be, like you said, we not have only Visa, we have Mastercard, debit etc... so the same will be for the crypto coins also   this is the reason i bought long time ago many alts. Having the idea that only the bitcoin will dominate this new world is wrong.... Yes will be the king of course but the king need slaves hahaha and important ones

Please be patient !  You cant have answer yet because the bottom is not yet reached ! this dive have plenty of oxygen to continue!
for the moment we need sit back and relax as we enjoy the red candle effect

i see the charts and i see the posts. i do that for the last days very often. i see 2 different things, price on charts go down ( you can call it stable before and falling now ) and people on forums ask for rocket images etc. and i wonder myself... do i need stop believe my eyes and the charts?
can somebody help me understand ? we post here good things and we hope that the price will go up?

I can't recall the last time i used BTC to buy something, i think the main reason is that GOX used all my coins i had there to buy coffee, drinks, lawyers....
So everything else saved used only to invest and wait for the right time to sell,( happened already on some of them ) but yes! HODL is the right way, proved from the early days up to today!

Well, don't know the reason i come back to this post,, maybe the sauce and the past i eat today?

it seems that we are full of sauces and fake information on what is happening, be careful on the hard fork sauce and the BU sauce, can really burn your sauce at all if you not careful with the portion!

Thank you all for the quotes,

I want to reply first  talkbitcoin you wrote that :

"no, even with ETF price would have gone up to something like $1400 and came down hard to $1100 and stabilized in 12xx range.
ETF wasn't magic!"

Since you can predict very good what will happen can you give a post of you that you predicted what already happened after rejection? or you don't want to share the secret?

one more thing, we are in watters that we don't know many things, one of this is that when i entered this bitcoin world the price was 5euro and now is 1125 euro and nobody knew that,

but any way, when we speculate and you give your opinion leave some room in case things go different.

now to 1Referee

IF the ETF was a yes, then the minimum of the people who would NOT sell would be the people that we are on the forums and we do everyday search, and i think we are MANY. imagine the result that this event could have, maybe the 2000 would be very small and need say bigger number, now regarding the second part, take a closer look to what is happening in ETH as we speak for example Poloniex has 98000 BTC Volume! and is climbing, if you want to see all the picture check the volumes and the charts and after maybe you can see also what i see.

as i wrote just now to another thread the opinions are personals but allow me to point one thing, this way you write is something i can't understand.... i can't find any logic when i read some people weeks before to write FOR SURE that the price will go 2000+ no matter the ETF .. i now read from the same people that price is stable at 1200 etc...
seems that many many people go together with the wind... where is the wind today? east? east we write then....
i really like the people who have stable opinion even though is wrong, and based on some kind of facts.
and to say something about facts, there is a big volume on alts( bubbles in my opinion ) as we speak that this has big influence on the BTC price.
Some people now that are scared or want to win, trade to alts that are already low for some ( for me many are overpriced ) to escape the Bitcoin fears, BU, and many other things, EU commented that crypto currencies can't be anonymous... there are a lot happening around, open your eyes. and i have to propose one thing to every one that will come to this post, DO your research, don't listen me or anyone else ! we do not guarantee anything to close this my opinion is that Bitcoin for the next period will go down if nothing BIG happens, yes if you ask yourself maybe we will go under 1000$

please allow me to have different opinion on that. the game seems to be playing with the alts bubbles right now. We have an open "battle" i would say with BU and proposals etc...unclear environment for investors. also can be an opportunity but everyone makes their decisions. some coins that i had on exchange i sold the already as i see this will continue.
opinions are good to hear and of course are personal, i don't want to convince you for something but i think we will see 3 digit again before the uptrend.