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941  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2014, 12:22:45 PM



Also : Tech Millionaire Zhenya Tsventenko Brings Bitcoin to Australian Stock Exchange

http://www.coindesk.com/tech-millionaire-zhenya-tsventenko-brings-bitcoin-australian-stock-exchange/


Good news from all over the world.... i like it Smiley
942  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2014, 12:15:59 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/singapore-regulate-bitcoin-exchanges-atms/


did you hear the train?HuhHuh
943  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2014, 06:19:47 PM
few images from goldman









Let the Music Play!!! Smiley

Now that's what i call NEWS


Let's see now where the price is gonna be in a few weeks..... Wink

I LOVE BITCOIN!!!!!
944  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 12, 2014, 06:08:10 PM
I feel a bit of optimism on this board the last week.

I learned Bitcoin could save me $210 billion on my retail shopping which is nice because I never had that much to spend to begin with.
https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/443779660002754562/photo/1


Now that is what i like the most... thank you i just found it here.... Smiley
945  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 02, 2014, 07:04:04 PM
Bitcoin do it already, I don't have time and nerves to wait the whole day, do something already....


BTW watching bitstamp for some time now, bids are going lower, less than 4458 to bring us below $520

Its been pretty stable to $400 & $500 for the last couple of days. I expect bids to increase tomorrow with a little more fiat from Goxed people coming in.


zyk seems to be a total nuub, not knowing bitcoin exists outside gox.



have they been payed out?....withdrawls still processing ?
Not sure if serious.

I think is time to buy buy buy.....
and i am one of many as we speak "lost" in MtGox. ( let's wait to see the news on that tomorrow, what is going to happen)

So, does anyone has information on latest withdrawal? or if the banking team is working?
946  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to put Mt. Gox into involuntary bankruptcy in Japan. on: March 02, 2014, 04:33:21 AM
No, you do not need to "wait for the call center to open". If you had significant funds in Mt. Gox, you need legal representation in Japan now, to be involved in the bankruptcy.

The purpose for filing bankruptcy protection is to STOP you from suing, and winning. So you don't put US at losses, taking our chunk of the losses, which have not even been distributed yet.

This is similar to a "chapter 11" filing, in japan... It does not make it so Gox owes nothing... it simply give Gox the chance to "make up the losses". This is not the type of bankruptcy you sue for, to get things back.

You do realize your coins will not be valued at todays prices, but at the price at which you deposited them, or obtained them. You will not be getting back an equal amount of BTC if you sue, only asset value. However, if you just wait... And let the investigation continue, allowing Gox to get back up and running, or sell... then you will be compensated for your BTC-BTC funds. Not to mention all the fees of the lawyer. (Or the taxes before you can actually get your asset-value, if you had not claimed them as long-term holdings, in an over-seas exchange.)

Good luck with that.


So you suggest to wait and see how Mark will handle the situation?

947  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: How to put Mt. Gox into involuntary bankruptcy in Japan. on: March 01, 2014, 12:37:32 PM
We have to wait for the "call center" to open, to confirm our losses. Thieves will obviously not be calling. Thus, those will not be counted as part of the loss. That is good for us, because it gives us a better chance at getting back all of our funds.

Not to mention, there were funds available, after the theft had stopped. Those funds, after that date, will be 100% returned. Which an investigation still needs to show. We were not investors. We were customers. Investors are the ones who are at the greatest risk of loss here. Customers, will all have to be paid back, in some way. Even if this was truly just a "Bankruptcy", it does not absolve him from paying back losses. It simply acknowledges the loss, for further legal proceedings to occur.


So after this what do you propose ? I had some fiat withdrawal > 6.000€ initialized in January that did not arrived and BTC in my account.
What i best for me to do  now?

You think i will get back my withdrawal 100% ? And what about the BTC.
948  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Open Letter to Mark Karpeles: Voluntary Reorganization Best Option for Us All on: February 28, 2014, 05:31:57 PM
sorry for your loss.


i think this is the second time i pressed the ignore ... Smiley


Now back to our point.

I find it good in conditionds..... what are the news so far?
949  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2014, 01:45:56 PM
So have you read that? Full story easy for all to understand....
i think has some points left but covers the most

http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/28/the-gox-crater-crowd-detectives-reveal-billion-dollar-heist-as-inside-job/


and from the above is good to stand here:

According to an anonymous high-profile source, the first and original bitcoin scam was the online coin wallet Mybitcoin.com. People would deposit hundreds of thousands of coins there, as the currency was new and hundreds of thousands of coins weren’t yet worth a lot.

Then, on July 29, 2011, the site went blank, just like the Gox website did. People panicked and gradually accepted a catastrophic loss of funds.

On August 11, 14 days later, the site came back online and declared – just like Gox – that they “had been hacked”, had filed for bankruptcy protection, just like Gox, but “had managed to recover” 49% of the funds. People could fill out claim forms to recover these funds. As this was enough time for most people to internalize the loss, they were happy again at the sudden windfall; things suddenly weren’t as bad as they had seemed. In the meantime, the anonymous person who ran mybitcoin.com disappeared with a huge amount of money, according to the source.


In our case what it going to happen Huh??
950  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2014, 01:43:43 PM
So have you read that? Full story easy for all to understand....
i think has some points left but covers the most

http://falkvinge.net/2014/02/28/the-gox-crater-crowd-detectives-reveal-billion-dollar-heist-as-inside-job/
951  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
Does anyone knows what happens next?

Since MtGox has about 60% available will have a cut of 40% about and take this back???
952  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 28, 2014, 12:10:36 AM
what about this?

Does this tx mean Mark or someone from MtGox is doing some tests?

or just someone send to them?

http://blockchain.info/tx/498b59cb7a168e6ebc4a4ba5fa06cde95030a2f644f018f55d91a4fbd1524077
953  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2014, 11:55:34 PM
Roger Ver has lied before, expect this as well is either not him or he is lying.
Remember earlier this week....shrem and ver saying all is ok and good news coming...ignore, ignore, ignore these posts


thank you for that... Smiley


what about this?

Does this tx mean Mark is doing some tests?

http://blockchain.info/tx/498b59cb7a168e6ebc4a4ba5fa06cde95030a2f644f018f55d91a4fbd1524077
954  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: February 27, 2014, 11:54:01 PM


anyone?Huh?
955  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2014, 11:51:45 PM
<RogerVer> On Tuesday Mark told me via text message: Currently filing for bankruptcy and will update based on that


does anyone knows what happens next?

are we going to get back any fiat or btc?
956  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 27, 2014, 10:34:59 AM
Since i have not read it here i thought that many of you here want to read it ( if it's true )


http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/179038-my-conversation-mark-karpeles-mtgox-2.html#post2164682

My full unedited conversation with Mark...

I removed the channel name and my IP info along with the person who created the channel that does not want to be on record for this.

This conversation took place on 02-25-2014 at 10:39am EST.


[10:39] == JonWickedFire [IP REDACTED] has joined CHANNELNAME
[10:40] == mode/CHANNELNAME
[10:47] == MagicalTux [~MagicalTu@mtgox/staff/MagicalTux] has joined CHANNELNAME
[10:48] <JonWickedFire> Hey Mark.
[10:48] <JonWickedFire> Thanks for coming in.. I know you're a bit.. shaken up and stressed..
[10:51] <MagicalTux> hi
[10:51] <JonWickedFire> Are you doing okay?
[10:52] <MagicalTux> more or less
[10:52] <MagicalTux> it's 1am and tomorrow morning first time I have a lawyer appointment
[10:52] <MagicalTux> things couldn't be better
[10:52] <MagicalTux> (well, not tomorrow but today, now)
[10:53] <JonWickedFire> Yeah, you're in the future over there in Japan, lol.
[10:53] <MagicalTux> guys in NZ are even more in the future
[10:54] <JonWickedFire> Yeah two places I've wanted to visit but cringe at the flight time alone.
[10:55] <JonWickedFire> So I just wanted to talk to you on here, no pressure, you don't have to answer anything you don't want to. I'm not a journalist.
[10:55] <JonWickedFire> We've chatted before briefly. So you know a lil something on me.
[10:56] <MagicalTux> yep
[10:56] <JonWickedFire> And with all of what happened yesterday, even though I knew all of that, I didn't let me contacts at FOX Business publish it, because I didn't want to see bitcoin or gox going up in flames if it could be salvaged.
[10:57] <JonWickedFire> Obviously holding that info back and not publishing a tumblr or leaking docs first allowed someone else to stake a claim on it first.
[10:58] <JonWickedFire> But you win some you lose some.. and honestly, I'm not a fan of people posting things that are rumors or bullshit or not verified just because it damages the shit out of someone or a company... and it really cannot be taken back afterwards.
[10:58] <JonWickedFire> Is that Crisis Strategy Draft even legit?
[11:04] <MagicalTux> more or less
[11:05] <MagicalTux> as the name suggests it's a draft, and it's a bunch of proposals to deal with the issue at hand, not things that are actually planned and/or done
[11:06] <MagicalTux> this said this document was not produced by MtGox
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I saw some strategies in there that I had shared with you, but also saw some things in there that I would have never suggested anyone ever go through with as it would make you look horrible..
[11:07] <JonWickedFire> I think a lot of people ignored the draft part.
[11:08] <JonWickedFire> It was just really surprising to see that being "leaked"..
[11:10] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general?
[11:13] <MagicalTux> [01:09:51] <JonWickedFire> Do you think it was leaked by someone purposely to hurt you personally or gox in general? <- I have some doubts
[11:14] <JonWickedFire> Heh, I bet.
[11:17] <JonWickedFire> Are you stepping down as CEO and away from gox too?
[11:17] <JonWickedFire> (If you can't legally disclose, then just say so)
[11:20] <MagicalTux> can't disclose that yety
[11:20] <MagicalTux> yet
[11:20] <JonWickedFire> K np.
[11:22] <JonWickedFire> The reason I'm asking is because after yesterday's events of you removing yourself from the foundation and deleting the Twitter account/posts and all.. right away speculation within the bitcoin arena went into hyper chaotic mode, and the word on the street was that you were closing up shop and running away with all of their monies and bitcoin...
[11:22] <JonWickedFire> How does that make you feel to hear or see people you bailed out yourself and stood up for over the years, turn on you like that?
[11:22] <MagicalTux> not good
[11:24] <JonWickedFire> Mark, I know you're not one for expressing yourself, but here's your chance at it, because you really have stepped up before, and done things NO ONE else ever had.. or probably will again.. and it seems like all of it has been quickly forgotten and instead you're being labeled as the Madoff of bitcoin.
[11:25] <JonWickedFire> We're having this chat, and you're still in Japan at your apt/office and not in a cave somewhere, right?
[11:34] <JonWickedFire> Look Mark, you took mtgox and ran with it, built on it, stuck with it and took it to a level no one ever thought possible. When other exchanges were crippled, you stepped in and bailed them out or absorbed them to save the bitcoin market in general. In exchange it brought you a massive surge of customers and press that made you look like the hero of the day and then some.
[11:34] <JonWickedFire> But what most people forget too was that you weren't set up to handle this from the start..
[11:35] <MagicalTux> [01:25:02] <JonWickedFire> We're having this chat, and you're still in Japan at your apt/office and not in a cave somewhere, right? <- at home, with my cat being a pain sleeping on the keyboard
[11:35] <JonWickedFire> Yeah, doesn't sound like someone on the run with bags of money...
[11:37] <JonWickedFire> What's the plan now for you and mtgox?
[11:37] <MagicalTux> can't comment on that yet
[11:37] <JonWickedFire> Alright.
[11:37] <MagicalTux> (mostly because doing so could compromise our current efforts)
[11:38] <MagicalTux> imgur: the simple image sharer <- my cat pushing my keyboard, me pushing the keyboard back on the desk
[11:38] <JonWickedFire> So you guys are still actively trying to save it though?
[11:38] <MagicalTux> We haven't given up
[11:40] <JonWickedFire> You could have given up and walked away a bunch of times previously, but you always stuck it out... even though others have closed up and walked away, why have you continued to fight and work at it and not give up?
[11:41] <MagicalTux> "Giving up" is not part of how I usually do things
[11:42] <JonWickedFire> Do you want to tell your side of this a bit more?
[11:43] <JonWickedFire> Like what you've sacrificed or given up, personally? I have to imagine it's taken quite a toll on you.
[11:43] <MagicalTux> well, first I would guess is my health
[11:43] <JonWickedFire> What do you mean?
[11:44] <MagicalTux> took on more than 30kg since handling MtGox
[11:44] <MagicalTux> (compensating for stress by eating)
[11:47] <JonWickedFire> I'm guessing stress from lack of sleep too, like now..
[11:48] <MagicalTux> heh
[11:48] <MagicalTux> and drinking liters of coca cola
[11:48] <MagicalTux> how american
[11:48] <MagicalTux> (almost american, actually, since some people see coca cola as being non-american)
[11:52] <JonWickedFire> lol
[11:54] <MagicalTux> anyway
[11:54] <MagicalTux> I should try to get some sleep
[11:55] <MagicalTux> already 2am
[11:55] <MagicalTux> waking up in 4 hours
[11:55] <JonWickedFire> Err
[11:55] <JonWickedFire> One more thing..
[11:55] <MagicalTux> and starting to be tired of pushing my keyboard so it stays on the desk
[11:56] <JonWickedFire> Do you still believe in the viability of an unregulated digital currency like bitcoin tho?
[11:57] <MagicalTux> difficult
[11:57] <MagicalTux> tbqh the pressure we got from banks and governments makes things very hard
[11:58] <JonWickedFire> Do you think if it were regulated it would make it easier to work things out?
[11:58] <MagicalTux> partially
[11:58] <JonWickedFire> How so?
[11:59] <MagicalTux> well, first avoid being blocked by banks and governments around the world
[11:59] <MagicalTux> if regulated, it means that as long as you follow the regulations you're fine
[12:00] <JonWickedFire> The biggest question people really have asked though is are you personally vested in mtgox with your own btc?
[12:01] <JonWickedFire> And whether or not you, like everyone else, have taken a personal hit and are in the same boat as they are in terms of taking a loss/hit from the recent events?
[12:01] <MagicalTux> [02:00:59] <JonWickedFire> And whether or not you, like everyone else, have taken a personal hit and are in the same boat as they are in terms of taking a loss/hit from the recent events? <- any BTC I own personally were on MtGox
[12:02] <JonWickedFire> How much did you lose yourself?
[12:04] <MagicalTux> Well, technically speaking it's not "lost" just yet, just temporarily unavailable
[12:05] == MagicalTux [~MagicalTu@mtgox/staff/MagicalTux]
[12:05] == realname : Mark Karpeles
[12:05] == channels : CHANNELNAME
[12:05] == server : calvino.freenode.net [Milan, IT]
[12:05] == account : magicaltux
[12:05] == End of WHOIS
[12:05] <JonWickedFire> Well, how much is unavail for you?
[12:06] <MagicalTux> I'm not even sure
[12:06] <JonWickedFire> Guys on Reddit and WickedFire are running around posting screenshots of horror stories about how much bitcoin they have lost from this..
[12:06] <MagicalTux> didn't check my wallet before pushing the site offline
[12:07] <MagicalTux> anyway
[12:07] <MagicalTux> maybe I should go to sleep now
[12:07] <JonWickedFire> Anything else you'd like to say to everyone before all the pissed off people start going nuts, even more...?
[12:09] <MagicalTux> not really
[12:09] <MagicalTux> maybe just a link? something like that: Why do we fall? - 9GAG
[12:09] <MagicalTux> well, we'll see how this one goes anyway
[12:16] <JonWickedFire> Well, I'd like to chat more, but I know you're pushing to go to sleep.
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> And so long as you are saying you're not disappearing from this.. that's okay.
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> I still think you should say something more to all these people or at least reveal how much you've taken a hit for, personally..
[12:17] <JonWickedFire> It would show them that you are still on their side.
[12:19] <JonWickedFire> By the way, that whole removal from the foundation, did you decide to leave that before or after the chats with them to help save gox versus let it fail?
957  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Anyone that has REAL information on what's happening in gox, contact me. REWARD on: February 27, 2014, 09:38:07 AM
in my case i started a SEPA withdrawal 29/01/2014 and still nothing Sad


What i can understand is if the picture is real ( that i believe it is )  means that the banking team of MtGox is still working.
958  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Anyone that has REAL information on what's happening in gox, contact me. REWARD on: February 27, 2014, 09:24:07 AM
So does anyone know when the last successful withdrawal took place at Gox?




received it from a friend some minutes ago.

this was yesterday as you can see from the date.

How is this valid, I don't understand. Some things don't make sense. Few people being able to withdraw, still the are no money, btc left. Is this a delay issue or what is it?


i can't understand also! in my opinion this picture is genuine. the others i think we are going to find out the next hours
959  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Anyone that has REAL information on what's happening in gox, contact me. REWARD on: February 27, 2014, 09:04:49 AM
GOX is history now. Ask mark about the detailed information Cheesy

anyways for full story

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26352442


Sorry for the lack of timely updates in the past day. Things have been very busy.

AM: There are press outside the Cerulean tower waiting for something to happen, there are reports they are moving to the original MtGox office.

I will be arriving at the original MtGox office at around 3pm.

12:30: It appears that there is no chance of an MtGox bailout, meaning customers have little chance of seeing their funds again. The bailout document on the net was apparently written by Karpeles himself.

The above is part of www.mtgoxprotest.com

you can find it on the front page and as you can undestand, he among with others have a better look since he is there than we have reading articles written in USA or EUROPE.
960  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Anyone that has REAL information on what's happening in gox, contact me. REWARD on: February 27, 2014, 08:34:32 AM
So does anyone know when the last successful withdrawal took place at Gox?




received it from a friend some minutes ago.

this was yesterday as you can see from the date.
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