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November 11, 2018, 10:41:07 PM
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Bob Ballblaw after all this time still didn't learn anything... Roll Eyes




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If you think rocket launches are fake, show it. It should be easy if you think they just land after a while, show the landing. Easy peasy.

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November 12, 2018, 08:46:58 AM
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Go to the sea and observe boats that are far away and getting closer. You will probably need binoculars. ... let us know what you came up with...

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November 12, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
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Go to the sea and observe boats that are far away and getting closer. You will probably need binoculars. ... let us know what you came up with...

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Go to the sea and observe boats that are far away and getting closer. You will probably need binoculars. ... let us know what you came up with...

Why can some boats that are really far away be seen with binoculars but not with the naked eye?

You are told that boats sailing away disappear by going up, over and behind curved water three miles away yet when binoculars are used, you can see the boat that just sailed down behind the water. Are you a gullible idiot who believes bullshit or, are you a worthless sack of crap asking misleading questions to perpetrate a lie and a conspiracy?

Objects converge to a point with distance, this is the vanishing point i.e. boat gone bye-bye. The horizontal line that rises or lowers to eye level (the horizon) is an optical effect that occurs on a plane due to convergence. Perspective is the height or depth the viewer has on or below (submarine) the plane and it affects the distance to the horizon. There's atmosphere and its effects in addition to convergence and perspective, a narrow band mirage forms on top of the horizon line obscuring and mirroring objects, refraction changes the position of objects, compression squishes objects, magnification enlarges & crops objects, diffusion blurs objects.

The sextant measures angles on plane using the horizon and, distances can be calculated with trigonometry; one minute of arc is one mile. This is proof there is no curve that boats sail over, if the ocean curved the sextant would be useless for navigation and, we would all be forced to watch endless re-runs of Gilligan's Island after the Skipper plots his course. Neither the horizon or the water curves, ever!

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November 12, 2018, 04:41:47 PM
Last edit: November 12, 2018, 04:56:28 PM by BADecker
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Go to the sea and observe boats that are far away and getting closer. You will probably need binoculars. ... let us know what you came up with...

Why can some boats that are really far away be seen with binoculars but not with the naked eye?
Some of them because there are things in the way, like trees, hills, mountains, other boats, the ocean, etc.



You are told that boats sailing away disappear by going up, over and behind curved water three miles away yet when binoculars are used, you can see the boat that just sailed down behind the water. Are you a gullible idiot who believes bullshit or, are you a worthless sack of crap asking misleading questions to perpetrate a lie and a conspiracy?
If you wait a little longer and look with the binoculars, you will find that the boats disappear past the point where they can can be seen even with a telescope. It's because they have passed the aberration point of the air above the water.

People are told by you, and they don't, generally, believe.



Objects converge to a point with distance, this is the vanishing point i.e. boat gone bye-bye. The horizontal line that rises or lowers to eye level (the horizon) is an optical effect that occurs on a plane due to convergence. Perspective is the height or depth the viewer has on or below (submarine) the plane and it affects the distance to the horizon. There's atmosphere and its effects in addition to convergence and perspective, a narrow band mirage forms on top of the horizon line obscuring and mirroring objects, refraction changes the position of objects, compression squishes objects, magnification enlarges & crops objects, diffusion blurs objects.
All of these things are limited, except the actual distance. Distance remains constant. Beyond a certain point, aberration and perspective don't play in, because of distance.

Get the biggest telescope in the world and point it at China. It isn't the aberration or smog that makes it so you can't see China. It's the ground in the way.



The sextant measures angles on plane using the horizon and, distances can be calculated with trigonometry; one minute of arc is one mile. This is proof there is no curve that boats sail over, if the ocean curved the sextant would be useless for navigation and, we would all be forced to watch endless re-runs of Gilligan's Island after the Skipper plots his course. Neither the horizon or the water curves, ever!
That's part of the reason why they have modern telescopes. The sextant isn't capable of handling great distances properly. Sure, it works fine to triangulate nearby locations. But for telling distances and sizes of faraway places, it just isn't accurate enough.





You still believe that Gilligan's Island was something that really happened, don't you?

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^^^ No, I'm saying it's something that will happen when the sextant, a tool used for measuring angles on a plane is used for plotting a course on a spherical surface.



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November 12, 2018, 08:00:23 PM
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Go to the sea and observe boats that are far away and getting closer. You will probably need binoculars. ... let us know what you came up with...

Why can some boats that are really far away be seen with binoculars but not with the naked eye?

You are told that boats sailing away disappear by going up, over and behind curved water three miles away yet when binoculars are used, you can see the boat that just sailed down behind the water. Are you a gullible idiot who believes bullshit or, are you a worthless sack of crap asking misleading questions to perpetrate a lie and a conspiracy?

Objects converge to a point with distance, this is the vanishing point i.e. boat gone bye-bye. The horizontal line that rises or lowers to eye level (the horizon) is an optical effect that occurs on a plane due to convergence. Perspective is the height or depth the viewer has on or below (submarine) the plane and it affects the distance to the horizon. There's atmosphere and its effects in addition to convergence and perspective, a narrow band mirage forms on top of the horizon line obscuring and mirroring objects, refraction changes the position of objects, compression squishes objects, magnification enlarges & crops objects, diffusion blurs objects.

The sextant measures angles on plane using the horizon and, distances can be calculated with trigonometry; one minute of arc is one mile. This is proof there is no curve that boats sail over, if the ocean curved the sextant would be useless for navigation and, we would all be forced to watch endless re-runs of Gilligan's Island after the Skipper plots his course. Neither the horizon or the water curves, ever!



Already showed you quite clear videos of ships disappearing, BOTTOM FIRST. You don't seem to have good memory. Boats disappear into the distance, the problem is, why are they clearly disappearing bottom first? Even after all the possible ''effects'' or ''illusions''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ObTd7DLMw

You can clearly see there is no effect in this video whatsoever It's literally a boat that has it's bottom half hidden by the curvature.

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November 12, 2018, 08:28:03 PM
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You are told that boats sailing away disappear by going up, over and behind curved water three miles away yet when binoculars are used, you can see the boat that just sailed down behind the water.

No you can't.   Cheesy

You are just repeating lies other people have told you.

Go to the beach, actually watch a ship disappear, and see if you can make it hover above the curvature of the earth.

TRY SOMETHING YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE, MR. LAZY.

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November 12, 2018, 09:48:40 PM
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Already showed you quite clear videos of ships disappearing, BOTTOM FIRST. You don't seem to have good memory. Boats disappear into the distance, the problem is, why are they clearly disappearing bottom first? Even after all the possible ''effects'' or ''illusions''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ObTd7DLMw

You can clearly see there is no effect in this video whatsoever It's literally a boat that has it's bottom half hidden by the curvature.

Convergence, perspective and multiple atmospheric effects on a plane explain how ships disappear at the horizon; the water is flat and level.

I'll give an example of perspective and that's just one of at least three possible effects that cause "disappearing, BOTTOM FIRST":

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Has the man sunk into the field like your logic demands? No, it's a fucking playing field! The field is flat, the sea is flat, world is flat, we are on a plane and there are snakes on the plane!

Finally I think that's a fucking shipwreck in your video, that's fucking rust all over the side and it might be scuttled in shallow water.

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Already showed you quite clear videos of ships disappearing, BOTTOM FIRST. You don't seem to have good memory. Boats disappear into the distance, the problem is, why are they clearly disappearing bottom first? Even after all the possible ''effects'' or ''illusions''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0ObTd7DLMw

You can clearly see there is no effect in this video whatsoever It's literally a boat that has it's bottom half hidden by the curvature.

Convergence, perspective and multiple atmospheric effects on a plane explain how ships disappear at the horizon; the water is flat and level.

I'll give an example of perspective and that's just one of at least three possible effects that cause "disappearing, BOTTOM FIRST":

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Has the man sunk into the field like your logic demands? No, it's a fucking playing field! The field is flat, the sea is flat, world is flat, we are on a plane and there are snakes on the plane!

Finally I think that's a fucking shipwreck in your video, that's fucking rust all over the side and it might be scuttled in shallow water.

You always say: WATER FINDS ITS LEVEL. Meaning that the water is perfectly flat (or close to it) Your example is probably just a bump on the ground.

DOES WATER FIND ITS LEVEL OR NOT NOTBATMAN??? WERE YOU LYING THE WHOLE TIME? That camera is also literally on the ground which amplifies it. In my video you can clearly see the how the bottom of the ship is gone though.

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November 12, 2018, 10:12:07 PM
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Convergence, perspective and multiple atmospheric effects on a plane explain how ships disappear at the horizon; the water is flat and level.

Nope, nope and nope.

I'll ask you again (and again) to stop believing everything you read, and go try something yourself.

Water acts like all other matter with gravity.  It will actually curve.

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The sextant measures angles on plane using the horizon and, distances can be calculated with trigonometry; one minute of arc is one mile. This is proof there is no curve that boats sail over, if the ocean curved the sextant would be useless for navigation and, we would all be forced to watch endless re-runs of Gilligan's Island after the Skipper plots his course. Neither the horizon or the water curves, ever!

First:  Learn what "proof" means.  

Second:  You have never used a sextant - you are relying on other liars for your lies.  (i.e. bible)

If you were to take a sextant and look up, you would instantly proclaim that the birds are one nautical mile wide!

Have you ever seen a bird that is a mile wide notaman?   So why do you claim sextants can measure distance?

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(edit: also mosquitos, if they were close enough to the sextant, would appear one mile wide.  Makes sense if you have no idea about what angles are.)

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The sextant measures angles on a plane, the angular size of the Sun is 32 minutes and the definition of a mile is 1 minute. This is not proof that can be refuted by an inconclusive youtube video of a rusty ship wreck, it's direct measurement. If the Earth curved at a rate of 8 inches per mile squared the sextant would be rendered useless, the horizon would be 3 miles away, every navigation calculation would be in error and we're back to Gilligan's Island.

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The sextant measures angles on a plane, the angular size of the Sun is 32 minutes and the definition of a mile is 1 minute. This is not proof that can be refuted by an inconclusive youtube video of a rusty ship wreck, it's direct measurement.

You don't understand how the sextant works.  Smiley

To you, everything in the sky is xx miles wide - even though a "mile" is a made up human measurement.

(posting a prepared image shows you will believe in anything someone tells you - just like a religious person)

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The sextant measures angles on a plane, the angular size of the Sun is 32 minutes and the definition of a mile is 1 minute. This is not proof that can be refuted by an inconclusive youtube video of a rusty ship wreck, it's direct measurement.

You don't understand how the sextant works.  Smiley

To you, everything in the sky is xx miles wide - even though a "mile" is a made up human measurement.

(posting a prepared image shows you will believe in anything someone tells you - just like a religious person)

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''minutes and the definition of a mile is 1 minute.'' What?

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November 13, 2018, 09:41:44 AM
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The sextant measures angles on a plane, the angular size of the Sun is 32 minutes and the definition of a mile is 1 minute. This is not proof that can be refuted by an inconclusive youtube video of a rusty ship wreck, it's direct measurement.

You don't understand how the sextant works.  Smiley

To you, everything in the sky is xx miles wide - even though a "mile" is a made up human measurement.

(posting a prepared image shows you will believe in anything someone tells you - just like a religious person)

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''minutes and the definition of a mile is 1 minute.'' What?

   "A nautical mile is a unit of measurement defined as exactly 1,852 metres (6,076.1 ft; 1.1508 mi). Historically, it was defined as one minute of latitude, which is one sixtieth of a degree of latitude. Today, it is a non-SI unit[1] which has a continued use in both air and marine navigation,[2] and for the definition of territorial waters.[3]" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile

You guys keep confusing/conflating apparent size with angular size. Angular size corresponds a physical distance and apparent size is just how big an object looks. Either understand and acknowledge difference or you need to consider suicide.

The following illistration is not to scale and the drawn angle is distorted by perspective but it's simplicity helps demonstrate the concept of angular size. It doesn't matter where a telephone pole is located within the field of view so long as it hasn't passed the vanishing point its angle will remain the same size. If the height of a pole is changed its angle will also change to mach the new height. This is how distance is measured and it's how a mile is defined by an angle of one minute.



Angular size is something that can't be measured on a globe, the horizon on a globe while standing by the ocean is a curved line formed by a convex dome of water three miles away. Ships on a globe sail up, over and disappear behind the curve of the dome as they sail down below the water blocking the view. There is no vanishing point to measure angular size with, everything is hidden by curvature before that can happen. If you believe this then kill yourself.

The angle measured between two sides of the Sun and the horizon vanishing point reveals the diameter of the Sun in miles. The sextant measures angles on plane and the Sun is measured at 32'; the application and direct measument is irrifutible proof beyond a reasonable doubt the Earth is flat.
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   "A nautical mile is a unit of measurement defined as exactly 1,852 metres (6,076.1 ft; 1.1508 mi). Historically, it was defined as one minute of latitude, which is one sixtieth of a degree of latitude. Today, it is a non-SI unit[1] which has a continued use in both air and marine navigation,[2] and for the definition of territorial waters.[3]" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nautical_mile
As accurate as this is or may be, it isn't all that is included in measuring distance or the size of distant objects. I will show you why, below.



You guys keep confusing/conflating apparent size with angular size. Angular size corresponds a physical distance and apparent size is just how big an object looks. Either understand and acknowledge difference or you need to consider suicide.
Perhaps we do. But you keep confusing apparent size with actual size.



The following illistration is not to scale and the drawn angle is distorted by perspective but it's simplicity helps demonstrate the concept of angular size. It doesn't matter where a telephone pole is located within the field of view so long as it hasn't passed the vanishing point its angle will remain the same size. If the height of a pole is changed its angle will also change to mach the new height. This is how distance is measured and it's how a mile is defined by an angle of one minute.

Actually, this is only part of how distance is measured. Why? Because both perspective and vanishing-point have to do with the limits of the eye to see far-away objects, and to "visuallize" their size. Continue reading.



Angular size is something that can't be measured on a globe, the horizon on a globe while standing by the ocean is a curved line formed by a convex dome of water three miles away. Ships on a globe sail up, over and disappear behind the curve of the dome as they sail down below the water blocking the view. There is no vanishing point to measure angular size with, everything is hidden by curvature before that can happen. If you believe this then kill yourself.
Angular size absolutely can be measured on a globe. Its size measurement is calculated to extreme accuracy with calculus rather than trig, alone.

Here is your mistake that I alluded to, above. Both perspective and vanishing point have to do with the limits of the eye and/or other optical equipment. How's that? Essentially, there is no vanishing point when considering perspective with real and actual distance and size of distant objects.

If we had an infinitely capable viewing device, perspective would never end, except if there is an end to the universe. The angle at the distant apex of the view, might be infinitely small, but it would be continuous, except if the universe literally DOES have a limit.

The confusion exists in not precisely defining what is meant by "perspective" and "vanishing point" between forum people. Your confusion exists because you jump between definitions in your use of them, automatically, and possibly many times in a sentence and a thought. And, it exists because you are trying to apply more than one definition at the same time.

Two of the definitions you are using, even if only assumed, are:
A. Localized observations (simple sextant);
B. Universal application of localized observations.
Science has shown that things don't work like that. They have shown it with telescopes, annual measurements (sometimes with a sextant), laser/telescope visual observations, satellite observations, calculus in the measurements, and other methods. All these combined show us that the earth definitely isn't flat.



The angle measured between two sides of the Sun and the horizon vanishing point reveals the diameter of the Sun in miles. The sextant measures angles on plane and the Sun is measured at 32'; the application and direct measument is irrifutible proof beyond a reasonable doubt the Earth is flat.

Except that the simple vanishing point location, is limited to the width of a distant object, where there is only enough light from that object, to stimulate one eye nerve "pixel." That is what perspective really is.

Using a small telescope connected to a sextant, or even a transit, or (of course) a big telescope, or a dish array, extends the vanishing point perspective way beyond what the eye can see alone, and shows us that distant heavenly objects are far more distant than perceived by the "bare" eye, alone.

Even with atmospheric aberration, a good telescope can see a ship settling over the horizon.

If all this were not enough, consider the word "flat." What is meant by "flat?" When you get down to the microcosm, "flat" becomes meaningless in the fact that material is really made out of complexly interacting waves of electromagnetic energy.

If you judge "flat" according to the macrocosm, "flat" is simply an imprecise observation. There are mountains and valleys that cannot be seen as such, or barely observed as such, from hot air balloon distances above the earth, and certainly from high flying airplane distances. They look flat, but we know from climbing on them that they are absolutely NOT flat.

So, what really is "flat?" Isn't "flat" really an abstract term designed to describe the limits that people have when observing things? Doesn't "flat" exist to help simple people in their simple daily lives? Because when considering the small or large, "flat" doesn't really exist anywhere. So there absolutely can't be a flat earth.

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November 13, 2018, 02:01:39 PM
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You guys keep confusing/conflating apparent size with angular size. Angular size corresponds a physical distance and apparent size is just how big an object looks. Either understand and acknowledge difference or you need to consider suicide.

We are not confusing anything.

An angle does not measure size, bozo.

The angle measured between two sides of the Sun and the horizon vanishing point reveals the diameter of the Sun in miles. The sextant measures angles on plane and the Sun is measured at 32'; the application and direct measument is irrifutible proof beyond a reasonable doubt the Earth is flat.

And presents under the tree is irrefutable proof that Santa Claus exists, right?

Try doing an experiment yourself and stop being the fool.

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You guys keep confusing/conflating apparent size with angular size. Angular size corresponds a physical distance and apparent size is just how big an object looks. Either understand and acknowledge difference or you need to consider suicide.

We are not confusing anything.

An angle does not measure size, bozo.

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I know you are a little slow at reading comprehension. So, go back and read the whole thing slowly, to see how you are confusing almost everything, while most other people aren't confusing anything... except the FE people, that is.

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