Flat Earth

[notbatman]

Trapeze artists you fucking cuck.

[Astargath]

@badecker,

   Did you know that you're the only other person I've seen that understands the difference between "angular size" and "apparent size"? It's really a shame you're batting for the wrong team here and place the center of the great circle in a globe and not at the horizon as seen by the human eye.

I keep cringing every time I hear a flat earther refer to apparent visual size as "angular size". Understanding that "angular size" is a fixed value whose great circle is based on a planar horizon as seen by the human eye is paramount. The mental gymnastic involved with making this value (that can be measured directly with a sextant) work by replacing the human eye with a globe earth is actually outstanding.

I want to be very clear here because once you understand how the constant value of "angular size" works, it becomes obvious what absolutely undeniable proof the earth is flat the sextant and its ability to directly measure this value is.

"apparent size" = the angle between you and two sides of an object. [This value is a variable and changes as the distance between you and the object changes.]

"angular size" = the angle between the horizon and two sides of an object. [This value is a constant and does not change as the distance between you and the object changes.]








@nutildah,

   The Sun is directly measured to be 32 minutes in diameter; 1 minute = 1 mile. Plane trigonometry can be used to calculate the height of the Sun at about 3,000 miles.

''The Sun is directly measured to be 32 minutes in diameter; 1 minute = 1 mile. Plane trigonometry can be used to calculate the height of the Sun at about 3,000 miles'' What's the math for that?

[notbatman]

^^^ One method to calculate the height of the Sun:

α = angle of elevation at P
β = angle of elevation at N
d = distance between points P and N
h = heigh

h = (d * tan β * tan α) / (tan β - tan α)

[Vod]

^^^ One method to calculate the height of the Sun:

α = angle of elevation at P
β = angle of elevation at N
d = distance between points P and N
h = heigh

h = (d * tan β * tan α) / (tan β - tan α)

Where did you get this from?   The sun is not at any "height".

[notbatman]

^^^ It's basic trigonometry lowsun.

[BADecker]

^^^ You can use trig to find the angles between earth, a star and the sun at a certain time of the year. Then you can do the same thing at a different time of the year, say, 90 days away from the first. And then, when you use trig to compare the first angular measurements with the second, you find that the Sun is around 90 million miles away from the earth.

You can make these measurements and their comparisons with 10 different stars, the sun, and the earth. You don't have to rely on any single star. Your results will work out very well with many of the stars, and poorly with others, all because of their relationship to the earth. After all, some Southern Hemisphere stars can't even be seen in the Norther Hemisphere at certain times of the year... and vice versa.

If you happen to have a good telescope, or a good transit, or a very accurate sextant, these measurements will work out virtually the same. But you will need to be precise. Remember, a sextant was designed for making simple, basic measurements on a ship that might be rolling with the waves.

Then, if you throw in all kinds of other science, you will find out that the earth is, indeed, globular... and that the sun is indeed around 800,000 miles in diameter.

You are simply using all your incomplete FE science to attempt to delude people. I don't believe that you are doing this out of personal belief in what you are FE saying. I believe you are attempting to see how many people you can twist into believing something that is clearly understood to be wrong, and that you know exactly what you are doing.

All this does is to make you funny farm life to exist for reasons other than your personal belief in FE. It makes your FF life to exist because you are mentally twisted into trying to draw people away from the truth, while making it appear that you are doing so innocently.

[BADecker]

When the sun sets, is the height of the sun "0"?

LOL. What a moron.

I had to know how flattards explain the sun cycle, so here's what I found. It was quite "enlightening."

https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_-_Frequently_Asked_Questions

What evidence do you have?

The evidence for a flat earth is derived from many different facets of science and philosophy. The simplest is by relying on ones own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us. The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the Sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world.

(holy hell, that makes a lot of sense. I mean it explains a lot about flattards. Just ignore every bit of knowledge we can acquire as a species and go with your base instincts. It's what crocodiles do and it seems to work for them, right?)

How do you explain day/night cycles and seasons?

Day and night cycles are easily explained on a flat earth. The sun moves in circles around the North Pole. When it is over your head, it's day. When it's not, it's night. The light of the sun is confined to a limited area and its light acts like a spotlight upon the earth. The picture below illustrates how the sun moves and also how seasons work on a flat earth. The apparent effect of the sun rising and setting is usually explained as a perspective effect.

https://wiki.tfes.org/images/thumb/7/70/SunAnimation.gif/405px-SunAnimation.gif

This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I'm dumbfounded. This means that the sun is always shining in Greenland and Alaska. Why do days get longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and the converse in the southern hemisphere? Simply keeping the quote-unquote sun on a wire which gets closer to the quote-unquote north pole during the summer doesn't explain the seasonality of daylight.

The problems incurred by the flat earth theory far outweigh the problems of the existing model. What holds the sun up in the sky? What's fueling it? Why doesn't it burn out, or heaven forbid, fall to earth? What is the firmament made of? Why can't you travel to the south pole? How is there no outer space? What exists outside the "firmament"? What's the moon made of? What are all other planets and stars made of?

Existing models can satisfactorily answer all of these questions. Flat earth theory does not. It just creates more questions which have no answer.

How about this for a picture?



 

[BADecker]

How about this for a picture?



 

Or this?



Note that it is zinc plated.

 

[Agarthian]

When the sun sets, is the height of the sun "0"?

LOL. What a moron.

I had to know how flattards explain the sun cycle, so here's what I found. It was quite "enlightening."

https://wiki.tfes.org/Flat_Earth_-_Frequently_Asked_Questions

What evidence do you have?

The evidence for a flat earth is derived from many different facets of science and philosophy. The simplest is by relying on ones own senses to discern the true nature of the world around us. The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the Sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world.

(holy hell, that makes a lot of sense. I mean it explains a lot about flattards. Just ignore every bit of knowledge we can acquire as a species and go with your base instincts. It's what crocodiles do and it seems to work for them, right?)

How do you explain day/night cycles and seasons?

Day and night cycles are easily explained on a flat earth. The sun moves in circles around the North Pole. When it is over your head, it's day. When it's not, it's night. The light of the sun is confined to a limited area and its light acts like a spotlight upon the earth. The picture below illustrates how the sun moves and also how seasons work on a flat earth. The apparent effect of the sun rising and setting is usually explained as a perspective effect.



This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I'm dumbfounded. This means that the sun is always shining in Greenland and Alaska. Why do days get longer in the summer and shorter in the winter, and the converse in the southern hemisphere? Simply keeping the quote-unquote sun on a wire which gets closer to the quote-unquote north pole during the summer doesn't explain the seasonality of daylight.

The problems incurred by the flat earth theory far outweigh the problems of the existing model. What holds the sun up in the sky? What's fueling it? Why doesn't it burn out, or heaven forbid, fall to earth? What is the firmament made of? Why can't you travel to the south pole? How is there no outer space? What exists outside the "firmament"? What's the moon made of? What are all other planets and stars made of?

Existing models can satisfactorily answer all of these questions. Flat earth theory does not. It just creates more questions which have no answer.

That's just an example model obviously not 100% accurate. And yet it is more accurate than the globe model which cant explain anything for example it doesnt explain why polaris doesnt move in the sky and stars rotate in patterns and its always the same stars for if we was in a ball in a galaxy spiralling away into nothingness we would see different stars.



Funny thing is this heliocentric bullshit model was introduced by free masons in 15th century before which everyone in the world knew about geocentric flat earth.

[Vod]

Funny thing is this heliocentric bullshit model was introduced by free masons in 15th century before which everyone in the world knew about geocentric flat earth.

That's an odd opinion.  Obviously you have no facts to back it up.  :/

[ATMD]

Funny thing is this heliocentric bullshit model was introduced by free masons in 15th century before which everyone in the world knew about geocentric flat earth.

That's an odd opinion.  Obviously you have no facts to back it up.  :/

Maybe that info was from this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift

Natural sciences
Some of the "classical cases" of Kuhnian paradigm shifts in science are:

1543 – The transition in cosmology from a Ptolemaic cosmology to a Copernican one.[7]
1543 – The acceptance of the work of Andreas Vesalius, whose work De humani corporis fabrica corrected the numerous errors in the previously-held system created by Galen.[8]
1687 – The transition in mechanics from Aristotelian mechanics to classical mechanics.[9]
1783 – The acceptance of Lavoisier's theory of chemical reactions and combustion in place of phlogiston theory, known as the chemical revolution.[10][11]
The transition in optics from geometrical optics to physical optics with Augustin-Jean Fresnel's wave theory.[12]
1826 – The discovery of hyperbolic geometry.[13]
1859 – The revolution in evolution from goal-directed change to Charles Darwin's natural selection.[14]
1880 - The germ theory of disease began overtaking Galen's miasma theory.
1905 – The development of quantum mechanics, which replaced classical mechanics at microscopic scales.[15]
1887 to 1905 – The transition from the luminiferous aether present in space to electromagnetic radiation in spacetime.[16]
1919 – The transition between the worldview of Newtonian gravity and the Einsteinian General Relativity.

[notbatman]

@badecker,

   Come on now, we all know you're projecting and it's you that lies and twists to confuse the truth. The law of satanic reversal and inversion is at play here.

@nutildah,

   If Vod is an NPC then you're the old beta version missing many key core components. You're extremely amendment about not understanding how perspective and convergence on plane (moderated by atmospheric effects) creates a horizon that rises to eye level. 'not sure if satanic bot or just born stupid but, lets see if you can wrap your head around the idea that the Sun remains at the same altitude all the time (excluding transverse seasonal motion).

With this idea in mind (the Sun at a constant altitude) imagine the Sun getting smaller and smaller, converging to a point (the vanishing point) at the horizon and fading out. Now put a convex lens (the atmosphere) in between you and the point the Sun faded out at, this time as the Sun goes farther away it's magnified in size and gets bigger and bigger. Do you understand how the the optical convergence and optical magnification conspire to keep the Sun the same size until the viewers perspective, say 6 feet above the ground causes the Sun to get obscured by the horizon?



The image shows a holographic screw projected off of a mirrored dome structure. The Sun, the Moon, the stars and the planets like the screw are all holograms projected off of a mirrored dome.

We're on a stationary plane inside an engineered structure, that flat horizon line is artificial.

[BADecker]

@badecker,

   Come on now, we all know you're projecting and it's you that lies and twists to confuse the truth. The law of satanic reversal and inversion is at play here.

Well, I searched on "law of satanic reversal and inversion." The things that came up were Satanism and the occult.

Just think. You could have avoided all this talk in the thread, and the hard feelings, if you had only come out in the open, right in the first place, and said that you were dealing in Satanism and the occult with the FE idea.

A whole bunch of us thought that you were merely mistaken, or that you were in a funny farm, or who knows what. That isn't very considerate of you to wait until now to tell us you are into Satanism and the occult. Of course, that's often what Satanism and the occult promotes - secretiveness. I mean, "occult" actually means secret, or mysterious, or beyond the range of normal understanding.

[notbatman]

"... Well, I searched on "law of satanic reversal and inversion." The things that came up were Satanism and the occult. ..."

I laid out the why a few posts back,

"... a massive conspiracy by organized crime to trick you, not just about where you live but a conspiracy to turn the entire knowledge of mankind into nothing but deceit and lies to be exploited exclusively by them. ..."

The process of tricking you, corrupting you and making sure that everything you know is false and in error is where the satanic law of reversal and inversion comes into play. Once everything is ripe with deceit errors the criminals are the only ones with the truth or the light so-to-speak, and they're free to suck your blood.





Dracula uses a straw.






"... a series of tubes"

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"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6, KJV

[Vod]

We're on a stationary plane inside an engineered structure

You mean like an airplane hanger?

You say "we".  Who else is there with you?

[BADecker]

"... Well, I searched on "law of satanic reversal and inversion." The things that came up were Satanism and the occult. ..."

I laid out the why a few posts back,

"... a massive conspiracy by organized crime to trick you, not just about where you live but a conspiracy to turn the entire knowledge of mankind into nothing but deceit and lies to be exploited exclusively by them. ..."

The process of tricking you, corrupting you and making sure that everything you know is false and in error is where the satanic law of reversal and inversion comes into play. Once everything is ripe with deceit errors the criminals are the only ones with the truth or the light so-to-speak, and they're free to suck your blood.

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." -- John 14:6, KJV

Corinthians 11:14:

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

That's so interesting of you. You say that "The law of satanic reversal and inversion is at play here." But you say that I am projecting (whatever that means), and that I am lying and twisting the truth.

Then you quote a Bible passage, and show a picture of Dracula above it.

You continue to show that you are using what you have said "The law of satanic reversal and inversion." If you thought the Bible was any good, you would have never told anyone to go kill themselves. But you quote it, trying to make yourself look like an angel of light.

Funny thing is, you can't refute the double parallax, sextant measuring that I used to show that the earth is a globe, and that the sun is 93,000,000 miles away. Yet you say that I am twisting things.

You have your freedom for a while. Hang onto Jesus salvation so that you can be forgiven for your mistakes.

[notbatman]

The Earth looks flat, I can see a flat horizon that rises to eye level just as it should do on a plane and, there's nothing in my daily experience that indicates otherwise. To claim I'm somehow going against common sense because I don't believe a word the flying circus clowns at nasa tell me is the opposite of true.

It's only common sense sense to believe blood sucking liars have the hosts best interests in mind, right nutildah? Only an idiot would think otherwise right? What kind of fucking retard doesn't accept being lied to and having their blood sucked? What kind of sick bastard would let a bloodsucker go without blood, without giving up his own blood?

[Astargath]

The Earth looks flat, I can see a flat horizon that rises to eye level just as it should do on a plane and, there's nothing in my daily experience that indicates otherwise. To claim I'm somehow going against common sense because I don't believe a word the flying circus clowns at nasa tell me is the opposite of true.

It's only common sense sense to believe blood sucking liars have the hosts best interests in mind, right nutildah? Only an idiot would think otherwise right? What kind of fucking retard doesn't accept being lied to and having their blood sucked? What kind of sick bastard would let a bloodsucker go without blood, without giving up his own blood?

''The Earth looks flat'' Almost nothing is flat though. I can use a telescope and see stars and other planets, common sense dictates that this planet should also be spherical, why would I go against common sense and observations?

[BADecker]

The Earth looks flat, I can see a flat horizon that rises to eye level just as it should do on a plane and, there's nothing in my daily experience that indicates otherwise. To claim I'm somehow going against common sense because I don't believe a word the flying circus clowns at nasa tell me is the opposite of true.

It's only common sense sense to believe blood sucking liars have the hosts best interests in mind, right nutildah? Only an idiot would think otherwise right? What kind of fucking retard doesn't accept being lied to and having their blood sucked? What kind of sick bastard would let a bloodsucker go without blood, without giving up his own blood?

https://i.imgur.com/EKlyEth.png

The earth is not flat! It is dark in here.



But maybe it's flat.

 

[Vod]

The Earth looks flat

Did you miss my earlier post?  A basketball also looks flat.  It depends on how much you zoom in, right?   An ant on a basketball believes it is flat.

The earth is very large compared to you, just like the basketball is very large compared to the ant.

I think you are just being religiously dense.