[POLL] Does EVAN DUFFIELD regret instamining DRK/DASH at 100x emission?

[Prosperityforall]

On here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=585480, 42 people voted "No" to an emission curve change for Monero.


Tell me coins101, where is the vote for an emissions curve change with Dash? Oh yea, there was none because Evan sliced and diced the block reward by himself to benefit himself and the few other very early instaminers.

Stick to the topic troll.

[toknormal]

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

[smooth]

More than one person expected a different emissions schedule way different to what was delivered.

what you had said about the emission curve of bitmonero at time of release that it would be flatter but in reality it was not. therefore, can your claims be trusted.

What can I say? It was flatter and emontmon was incorrect in claiming otherwise, as clearly shown the source code on github, blockchain, etc.

If you want to base your opinions on other people's incorrect statements rather than primary sources, I can't help you.

Likewise one can look at a block explorer for Dash and see this, which bears no resemblance whatsoever to any of the published emissions formulas:

[Prosperityforall]

This is cryptocurrencies. These things are "decentralized", and being so, there cannot be changes made on a whim. Such things destroy the point of even using the cryptocurrency and destroy it's decentralization.

Bitcoin's emission rate has not changed
Monero's emission rate has not changed

Dash's emission rate has been sliced and diced from what it formerly was by it's developer

Dash cannot be taken and will not be taken seriously as a currency in the future, outside of this small forum, I can assure you that. A similar thing happened to Vericoin where it was rolled back to a previous state, but destroying it's meaningful decentralization in the process. Now Vericoin is dead, the only reason Dash isn't is because of whales who accumalated very early on like Otoh propping the currency up.

I'll say it again, cryptocurrencies that have had their core values changed, are not currencies anymore, they are just investments. That's all Dash is, an investment, nothing more.

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

I'm sure the overwhemingly majority of users in this space are Bitcoin "fans", and if faced with the question of whether a cryptocurrency's core features being changed on a whim disqualifies that crypto from further being called a currency, the overwhemingly majority would say yes. There goes the consensus.
 
There was a comment I saw about Satoshi's(The creator of decentralized crypticurrencies) view on this matter as well, I'll get it.

Here we go:

The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime.

- Satoshi Nakamoto,  June 17, 2010

[BagHolder010]

Here is what Monero team don't seem to get including GingerAle, Fluffypony and Smooth. People don't care about Monero Launch scam, or DASH early mistake or Satoshi getting 1 Million bitcoins or even any other coin that the CREATER gets. I am no tech guy but Nakamoto Satoshi created this amazing idea that you or anyone here wouldn't even think it exist before he did it so I am no one to say you should not get that 1 million coins! Evan created instant transactions great this can get interesting, what did YOU do to crypto beside CRY"P"TO about people out of you're league in forums? what did MONERO add to anything, is there something new in you're agenda that can get me as investor to think well this coin MIGHT have a chance to be up there with the big boys?

~ Truth is incompetence does not bring smart money so you can say all you want, i've seen this before and still do in Bitcoin forums hating on Bitcoin itself by losers and low achievers and you're nothing but another loser.

it's true.

they made the miscalculation that if they throw enough sh*t at Dash they can hurt it enough so their coin can replace it - claims that "instamine=scam=bad investment" was their weapon of choice.  The only problem, Dash is a strong coin with big community and the most innovation, delivering new features people want, it has survived many attacks before, including this same one. Monero is a single-exchange clone made by fraud devs who do zero development unless it helps their personal agenda.

Smooth - you totally destroyed monero's image, this is you and fluffy's fault.  And now the only thing keeping you on Poloniex is a load of fake buy walls from whales like Warz who don't want to sh*t the money bed and think if they can fix the price where it is Monero's image will recover....it won't thanks to you, because you've just exposed Monero as an off-the-shelf scam-clone launch-scam with devs who can't be bothered to work but are fixated on attacking your biggest competitor to try to 'prove' to people you ambush around BCT that monero is better because Dash is illegitimate because you say so - playground tactics not serious development as you would expect if Monero had real value.

you don't see this yet i guess, but i do...way to give value to your investors and help take crypto forward.

bump - why this poll even exists.

It exists because they did too much shit ( and catapulted out ) at DASH tread. Obviously they can not do this in MONERO tread.

And... I do not see any newbies here too? Is this tread aimed to them? What a joke...

Have you noticed how they always mis quote people whenever anyone says incompetence Monero dev's? haha

I would love to see how many of those are Monero supporters or dev's can we have name's of all the voters please? LOL

Cry"p"to in forums, here is a new deal for Monero developers i'll spend 20 bitcoins into Monero's dead coin "since they can't bring ANYTHING new to crypto" if they do give us something new like something would make me say WOW they are actually working and not copying from byte or other coins anymore; or changing a color of a copied "LOL" GUI wallet from red to blue LOOOOOOOOOOL

Incompetence does not bring smart money, so RIGHT NOW show me what is in ur agenda if you got nothing then stop creating new accounts bashing Evan or wasting time as developers you're just making Monero look really really bad with you're CRY"P"TO in forums lol.

I'll raise that to 30 BTC, Is it that hard to give the public you're next agenda? that of course if you had one.
Smooth, FluffyPony, and other Monero's developer team agenda for 2015 since they can not compete with EVAN coding skills and developing genius ideas

1. Changing our copied GUI wallet color from RED to BLUE.
2. Create once or twice a week a thread about EVAN even though we have starting problems just like every other coin did.
3. We Cry"p"to about it in forums.
4. Wait for another coin like Byte to coin from or actually for Byte to do something new and we change colors maybe?
5. THIS IS IMPORTANT let's all pray that monero investors don't get mad at us and ask for a newer team to actually do some work.
6. Hope their investors don't do what OTOH did and moving on with DASH.
7. Cry"p"to about it in to forums even more when our daily volume is like this in all the exchanges LOL
Monero$ 3,489,080   $ 0.469919   7,424,855 XMR   $ 19,521   -5.20 %

[neordicICE]

Fuck Even in his FUCKING Duffield ass! He scammed everyone and made millions and no one really even know it. Its like hes Mark or Josh or Alex but with no responsibility for what he did.

[coins101]

More than one person expected a different emissions schedule way different to what was delivered.

what you had said about the emission curve of bitmonero at time of release that it would be flatter but in reality it was not. therefore, can your claims be trusted.

What can I say? It was flatter and emontmon was incorrect in claiming otherwise, as clearly shown the source code on github, blockchain, etc.

If you want to base your opinions on other people's incorrect statements rather than primary sources, I can't help you.

....

lol

When you say things like that, you come across like a scammer.

You're view is the correct view, everyone else who was there at the time writing down what they were thinking are just, well, wrong.

lol

ok. Lets ask you what you meant at the time. Perhaps that will help us to resolve this question. Who knows, you might be right, I'm just curious:

I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining).

My recollection from reviewing the code changes is that the emissions should be about 1/4 the speed of bytecoin.

Not much advantage to early mining is relative though. Perhaps you have heard about Satoshi's 1m+ bitcoins?

[AdamWhite]

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

Indeed, and DASH is whatever Evan decides it is.

When can we expect the next breach of social contract? You've already gone from 80 million to 20 million. Why not 10 million?

[Brilliantrocket]

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

Indeed, and DASH is whatever Evan decides it is.

When can we expect the next breach of social contract? You've already gone from 80 million to 20 million. Why not 10 million?

Hope he does, that'd be nice. I trust Evan will make the best judgement, as far as increasing my profits goes.

[generalizethis]

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

Indeed, and DASH is whatever Evan decides it is.

When can we expect the next breach of social contract? You've already gone from 80 million to 20 million. Why not 10 million?

Hope he does, that'd be nice. I trust Evan will make the best judgement, as far as increasing my profits goes.

And you'll end up with more polls like this and more people who believe Evan purposefully instamined Dash. Once your reputation is gone, it's almost impossible to get it back.

[smooth]

More than one person expected a different emissions schedule way different to what was delivered.

what you had said about the emission curve of bitmonero at time of release that it would be flatter but in reality it was not. therefore, can your claims be trusted.

What can I say? It was flatter and emontmon was incorrect in claiming otherwise, as clearly shown the source code on github, blockchain, etc.

If you want to base your opinions on other people's incorrect statements rather than primary sources, I can't help you.

....

lol

When you say things like that, you come across like a scammer.

You're view is the correct view, everyone else who was there at the time writing down what they were thinking are just, well, wrong.

If relying on actual information like github or blockchains rather than incorrect opinions makes someone come across like a scammer, then your scammer detector needs recalibration (we already know that of course).

ok. Lets ask you what you meant at the time. Perhaps that will help us to resolve this question. Who knows, you might be right, I'm just curious:

I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining).

My recollection from reviewing the code changes is that the emissions should be about 1/4 the speed of bytecoin.

Not much advantage to early mining is relative though. Perhaps you have heard about Satoshi's 1m+ bitcoins?

The emissions were and are 1/4 the speed of bytecoin in terms of blocks (change of the speed factor from 2^-18 to 2^-20 = 1/4). That was the exact day of launch and I wasn't involved with development so at that point I didn't yet recognize that the block time change reduced that difference by half. Nevertheless, it still works out to 1/2 the speed of Bytecoin i.e. flatter.

Do try to stay on topic though.

[AdamWhite]

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

Indeed, and DASH is whatever Evan decides it is.

When can we expect the next breach of social contract? You've already gone from 80 million to 20 million. Why not 10 million?

Hope he does, that'd be nice. I trust Evan will make the best judgement, as far as increasing my profits goes.

It's a zero sum game.. any profits will come from the uninformed that overpay for the manipulated coins afterwards. Not that you give a flying fuck, you've made that abundantly clear. Profit at all costs, right?

Might as well reduce the block reward another 100x while you're at it  

[Saltzman Alaric]

the poll should just say, "does he regret getting rich easy"?

[toknormal]

the poll should just say, "does he regret getting rich easy"?

...if "easy" means sitting coding for 12 hours a day for over a year.

Be advised that you did not add the value to that coin. Neither did any of the other whining goats on here that band around words like 'scam' and 'fraud'.

He did. And whatever his own holding is or isn't, its not nearly enough to be called 'rich' nor is it enough to be carrying out the kinds of market manipulation that he regularly gets accused of.

[illodin]

Cryptocurrency is what the consensus decides it is.

Thank you.

Indeed, and DASH is whatever Evan decides it is.

When can we expect the next breach of social contract? You've already gone from 80 million to 20 million. Why not 10 million?

Sure thing. You can make that modification and release the client.

You can also set the max to 800 million to dilute the early mining you so passionately envy.

We'll see what the consensus will be.

[aleix]

You have an easy solution: Fork the coin, do it better than Evan & team. Period. This is how this game works

And please, please, please, Moreno people, stop crying in the Alt section. Stop posting the same FUD threads every day with newbie accounts.


This is really embarrasing

[generalizethis]

If you don't like the instamine label, do something about it or move to another coin. You made it, you own it.

[aleix]

You Moreno guys are just a cancer for the crypto community. Just improve your lousy coin and try to beat us in the markets like grown ups do instead of your pathetic FUD campaings in BTC talk.

Shame on you.

[generalizethis]

You Moreno guys are just a cancer for the crypto community. Just improve your lousy coin and try to beat us in the markets like grown ups do instead of your pathetic FUD campaings in BTC talk.

Shame on you.

Shame on you for supporting an instamined coin with weak anonymity features pretending to be fairly launched and anonymous.

[coins101]

.....

ok. Lets ask you what you meant at the time. Perhaps that will help us to resolve this question. Who knows, you might be right, I'm just curious:

I suppose this can still work if the emissions curve is flat-ish like BTC (i.e. not as much advantage to early mining).

My recollection from reviewing the code changes is that the emissions should be about 1/4 the speed of bytecoin.

Not much advantage to early mining is relative though. Perhaps you have heard about Satoshi's 1m+ bitcoins?

The emissions were and are 1/4 the speed of bytecoin in terms of blocks (change of the speed factor from 2^-18 to 2^-20 = 1/4). That was the exact day of launch and I wasn't involved with development so at that point I didn't yet recognize that the block time change reduced that difference by half. Nevertheless, it still works out to 1/2 the speed of Bytecoin i.e. flatter.

Do try to stay on topic though.

Interesting.

So the emissions weren't as advertised.

Now we have conflicting statements. The announcements say a slower emissions curve, similar to bitcoin, but the actual code, which you reviewed, was completely different.

Yeah. I haven't changed my mind. This is still looking more and more like a scam launch.

And the fact we have to uncover these things is a little telling.



'Smooth looked at the code before launch'.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.