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May 18, 2015, 09:54:28 AM
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Seriously what has religion got to do with children get beaten by their parents? My grandmother was never beaten up by her atheist parents. My mother was also born to theists but she was never beaten up by them nor was I beaten up by my parents for no reason. When I started playing mischief in school, my mom used to scold me and punish me but that's the parent's right. If they think that their scolding can improve their child, they have a right to punish them before they go on a wrong path.


Praise Jibbers Crabst! Seriously though you guys are a joke. What relevance will religion have in a world where medical science has solved aging? Science is zeroing in on that shit, you better believe it. Please stop violating the fragile and precious minds of your children with formative year religious indoctrination. It's hideously unethical you know, deliberately stunting the critical thinking abilities of a child, rewiring their impressionable little minds in ways hostile to scientific thought. Stop doing that, it's bad, you're bad and you should feel bad.



I really pity you. If you think that all those who believe in God are bad nobody can help you.
 

And others who say evil means religion. I have already mentioned about a person who was an atheist and killed a person for dropping his paint bottle. that might be not considered as evil?

Evil = Religion. Then I hope the atheists who believe in this don't work in offices of theists or have them as neighbors. Why to work or live with evil people.
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I can't remember even believing in god. The most I remember, if having to go to church and have time to think to know it was all meaningless. I came up with my concept of time there, and why there couldn't be a god, but I just couldn't ever tell my mother since she basically seemed to live for church. I think she enjoyed the people and singing in the choir the most. My youngest thoughts did always think god was the evil one, and the more you read the bible, you know this to be true. I wished the devil, Lucifer, or the light bringer was real, since they made sense. But alas, fairytales with magic and superpowers don't exist here on earth currently. And who really knows, this planet could have been seeded by another civilization. I thought the story "Jupiter Ascending" was pretty brilliant. I like to sit back and watch Supernatural, and think how cool it would be if that kind of stuff were real. But still, my life is my own, no higher being to worship for my life, and that keeps me happy.

I hate that people waste money on religion. Hate that tidings is a tax deduction, when most churches do not preform charity with even 50% of the funds taken in. If a person has to have something higher to believe in, to me, they obviously are missing something in their life. I feel pity for those that believe, but they don't want this pity, so I offer to insult them. Just doing my part to try to make this a better world. I don't even blame god for losing my mother when I was 24 due to Alzheimers. I just know there is no godly plan, and we should all be good people to one another and be good to this large rock, flying around our sun, around our galaxy, and out into the unknown universe, that we call home.

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May 18, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
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Religion was made by some smart people to control a large amount of people.
And even today its being used as a weapon (ISIS, Al-Shabab, Taliban, Al-Queda and all the others)


I think they didn't make the religion. They just ruined what is the meaning about a true religion and used that for their private advantages. Yeah maybe they used that to be a leader or honorific person or the powerful man in the world.

 
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May 18, 2015, 11:04:30 AM
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Religion was made by some smart people to control a large amount of people.
And even today its being used as a weapon (ISIS, Al-Shabab, Taliban, Al-Queda and all the others)


I think they didn't make the religion. They just ruined what is the meaning about a true religion and used that for their private advantages. Yeah maybe they used that to be a leader or honorific person or the powerful man in the world.
You're wrong. This is the perfect way of controlling the majority of the population. In the past the times were often very tough, and the weak needed something to keep them going. Hope is the main thing that drives the majority even today. Introducing the religion concept helped control and keep most of the religious population at peace.
Atheists are the ones that are thinking for themselves. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that are 'awake' and see the flaws in the current system (e.g. NSA anyone?) are either agnostic or atheist.
Atheists however aren't that many in numbers compared to Christianity for example. There is no exact number but you can check it out for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

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May 18, 2015, 11:13:05 AM
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Religion was made by some smart people to control a large amount of people.
And even today its being used as a weapon (ISIS, Al-Shabab, Taliban, Al-Queda and all the others)


I think they didn't make the religion. They just ruined what is the meaning about a true religion and used that for their private advantages. Yeah maybe they used that to be a leader or honorific person or the powerful man in the world.
You're wrong. This is the perfect way of controlling the majority of the population. In the past the times were often very tough, and the weak needed something to keep them going. Hope is the main thing that drives the majority even today. Introducing the religion concept helped control and keep most of the religious population at peace.
Atheists are the ones that are thinking for themselves. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that are 'awake' and see the flaws in the current system (e.g. NSA anyone?) are either agnostic or atheist.
Atheists however aren't that many in numbers compared to Christianity for example. There is no exact number but you can check it out for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

I agree on that.
A lot of people also call themselfs christian but when you ask questions when it comes to what they believe in then they sound more like athiests.
Its commun in Denmark that people are like that.

We live after christian ideals... (We have a democracy and no one is left behind, we help eachother)
But we dont go to church or pray.

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May 18, 2015, 12:03:50 PM
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You're wrong. This is the perfect way of controlling the majority of the population. In the past the times were often very tough, and the weak needed something to keep them going. Hope is the main thing that drives the majority even today. Introducing the religion concept helped control and keep most of the religious population at peace.
Atheists are the ones that are thinking for themselves. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that are 'awake' and see the flaws in the current system (e.g. NSA anyone?) are either agnostic or atheist.
Atheists however aren't that many in numbers compared to Christianity for example. There is no exact number but you can check it out for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

As a religion people, I keep my faith and pray to God to calming and strengthen my self when I got problem. I always giving thanks to God when I was blessed and got luck in my life. I think your opinion is not wrong, because every person has different perception about that. Other people used religion to control population, but for me, I used that to control myself.  Smiley

 
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You're wrong. This is the perfect way of controlling the majority of the population. In the past the times were often very tough, and the weak needed something to keep them going. Hope is the main thing that drives the majority even today. Introducing the religion concept helped control and keep most of the religious population at peace.
Atheists are the ones that are thinking for themselves. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that are 'awake' and see the flaws in the current system (e.g. NSA anyone?) are either agnostic or atheist.
Atheists however aren't that many in numbers compared to Christianity for example. There is no exact number but you can check it out for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

As a religion people, I keep my faith and pray to God to calming and strengthen my self when I got problem. I always giving thanks to God when I was blessed and got luck in my life. I think your opinion is not wrong, because every person has different perception about that. Other people used religion to control population, but for me, I used that to control myself.  Smiley

But again..

Why would you need that?
The need of attention or the need for feeling like someone cares about the things you are in need of or what you are happy about.

It looks more like a imaginary friend from a child that has a bad childhood with abuse.

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May 18, 2015, 12:26:40 PM
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

All religions are nothing more than scams preying on stupid people.
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May 18, 2015, 12:33:32 PM
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

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I wouldn't say that.  It's wrong.

Believing in something without good reason is idiotic; believing in something without evidence is not necessarily idiotic.

Clarifying, believing in something empirical without evidence is idiotic.  Believing in something non-empirical without evidence is perfectly permissible so long as you have a good, logical reason to do so.  Why?  Because 1) non-empirical things self-apparently exist, and 2) axiomatically, there cannot be empirical evidence for non-empirical things.

And, let me point out, that any proponent of science who states that it is idiotic to believe in something without evidence is a hypocrite, for the scientific method itself has purely non-empirical roots.

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May 18, 2015, 12:41:27 PM
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Religion was made by some smart people to control a large amount of people.
And even today its being used as a weapon (ISIS, Al-Shabab, Taliban, Al-Queda and all the others)


I think they didn't make the religion. They just ruined what is the meaning about a true religion and used that for their private advantages. Yeah maybe they used that to be a leader or honorific person or the powerful man in the world.
You're wrong. This is the perfect way of controlling the majority of the population. In the past the times were often very tough, and the weak needed something to keep them going. Hope is the main thing that drives the majority even today. Introducing the religion concept helped control and keep most of the religious population at peace.
Atheists are the ones that are thinking for themselves. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that are 'awake' and see the flaws in the current system (e.g. NSA anyone?) are either agnostic or atheist.
Atheists however aren't that many in numbers compared to Christianity for example. There is no exact number but you can check it out for yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

IMO he's right. Religions were not invented. Religions are evolved together with mankind as humans were searching for answers when they seen something inexplicable. Certainly if there's a demand someone will turn up with some sort of "supply". This is how charlatans, priests, psychologist trying to satisfy these demands for the quick buck Smiley.
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May 18, 2015, 12:44:42 PM
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

All religions are nothing more than scams preying on stupid people.

Do you believe what your psychologist said to you? You see that's pretty much the same guesswork as the neolithic shaman's explanations about harmful of beneficial spirits Smiley.
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

All religions are nothing more than scams preying on stupid people.

Do you believe what your psychologist said to you? You see that's pretty much the same guesswork as the neolithic shaman's explanations about harmful of beneficial spirits Smiley.

Science has not uncovered the inner workings of a human brain so I take everything with a truck load of salt what a psychologist has to say (I don't even consider it real science yet).

The scientific method relies on available information and not idiotic beliefs. It is constantly evolving, scrutinized and does not stuck with dogmas.
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The scientific method relies on available information and not idiotic beliefs. It is constantly evolving, scrutinized and does not stuck with dogmas.

The scientific method relies on deduction first, then generalizing the results and finally creating rules depending on the success of the generalization attempt. Actually this could be just as misleading as any religious beliefs, and scientists can be as dogmatic as the most hardcore members of the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei Smiley.
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The scientific method relies on available information and not idiotic beliefs. It is constantly evolving, scrutinized and does not stuck with dogmas.

The scientific method relies on deduction first, then generalizing the results and finally creating rules depending on the success of the generalization attempt. Actually this could be just as misleading as any religious beliefs, and scientists can be as dogmatic as the most hardcore members of the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei Smiley.

The behaviour of some scientists doesn't have anything to do with the fundamentals of science.
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

All religions are nothing more than scams preying on stupid people.

Do you believe what your psychologist said to you? You see that's pretty much the same guesswork as the neolithic shaman's explanations about harmful of beneficial spirits Smiley.

Science has not uncovered the inner workings of a human brain so I take everything with a truck load of salt what a psychologist has to say (I don't even consider it real science yet).

The scientific method relies on available information and not idiotic beliefs. It is constantly evolving, scrutinized and does not stuck with dogmas.

Scientific *conclusions* rely on available empirical information.  The scientific method relies solely upon philosophical reasoning supporting empirical epistemology.

To this extent, the scientific method *does* rely upon belief, just not idiotic ones.  Specifically, it relies on the belief in the validity of logical inference as it relates to inductive reasoning.  This validity is established entirely by logic, and not by physical evidence whatsoever.

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IMO he's right. Religions were not invented. Religions are evolved together with mankind as humans were searching for answers when they seen something inexplicable. Certainly if there's a demand someone will turn up with some sort of "supply". This is how charlatans, priests, psychologist trying to satisfy these demands for the quick buck Smiley.
That's only what they want you to believe. It is quite hard to interpret ancient writings the way that suits the people. Belief in nature and the supernatural probably did; religions like Christianity did not.

As a religion people, I keep my faith and pray to God to calming and strengthen my self when I got problem. I always giving thanks to God when I was blessed and got luck in my life. I think your opinion is not wrong, because every person has different perception about that. Other people used religion to control population, but for me, I used that to control myself.  Smiley
But again..
Why would you need that?
The need of attention or the need for feeling like someone cares about the things you are in need of or what you are happy about.

It looks more like a imaginary friend from a child that has a bad childhood with abuse.
That's quite irrational. Praying doesn't strengthen anything besides you thinking it does. That's where the delusion comes in. Has anyone ever written a scientific paper on the benefits of praying on the body? (besides the nonsense of being calmer/nicer and what-not) I doubt it; case solved.
If you really want to strengthen your persona you should take up something that actually works. Meditation (it actually has health benefits).

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May 18, 2015, 02:32:47 PM
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I can agree that praying will make YOU feel better but it will not help anyone.
As said above, meditation should be the best way Smiley

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May 18, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
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That's only what they want you to believe. It is quite hard to interpret ancient writings the way that suits the people. Belief in nature and the supernatural probably did; religions like Christianity did not.

The best thing in ancient writings is that you can interpret and explain it as you want.
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May 18, 2015, 02:55:16 PM
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

All religions are nothing more than scams preying on stupid people.

Do you believe what your psychologist said to you? You see that's pretty much the same guesswork as the neolithic shaman's explanations about harmful of beneficial spirits Smiley.

Science has not uncovered the inner workings of a human brain so I take everything with a truck load of salt what a psychologist has to say (I don't even consider it real science yet).

The scientific method relies on available information and not idiotic beliefs. It is constantly evolving, scrutinized and does not stuck with dogmas.

Scientific *conclusions* rely on available empirical information.  The scientific method relies solely upon philosophical reasoning supporting empirical epistemology.

To this extent, the scientific method *does* rely upon belief, just not idiotic ones.  Specifically, it relies on the belief in the validity of logical inference as it relates to inductive reasoning.  This validity is established entirely by logic, and not by physical evidence whatsoever.

And there I'll play the english is not my native language card.

I only implied that there's a good reason why an "atheist" rejects religion. There is no religion which is not based on bullshit (I see we can agree on that). Science on the other hand is all about seeking more knowledge without underlying agendas, delusions or criminal intent.

It really comes down to how these react to unknowns.

Scientific example:

(first solar eclipse happening)

"hmm, WTF is happening, let's investigate to understand what is causing this phenomenon"

Religious:

(first solar eclipse happening)

"IT MUST BE IMAGINARY SKYWIZARDS DOING SHIT BECAUSE X MADE UP REASON, YOU'RE GOING TO BURN IN HELL IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE (waves hands)"

While you could say that science uses beliefs but they cannot be compared to religious delusions in their nature.
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May 18, 2015, 02:55:53 PM
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Because believing in something without evidence is idiotic.

All religions are nothing more than scams preying on stupid people.

Same applies to atheists who believe that all the wrong done in this world is because of religion and their belief in God. For them, evil people are evil because of religion. They say that because they get abused by people who are theists (although it's wrong that those people abuse them and they are bad people) but that doesn't mean that those bad people do the same because of their belief. They are just plain bad/evil.
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