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May 26, 2015, 02:02:57 PM
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Why do use such harsh language with me? .

What, "you dishonest fundie"? Which part of that is harsh when it is completely correct?

In answer to your points and question, would the AI recognize that it was built by someone, or some group of people?

That question is irrelevant and the only reason you are asking it is because you are being a dishonest fundamentalist Christian, again.

See? I can use that phrase quite often with you because your debating tactics are so dishonest and fallacious.

Answer the question that was posed:

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Q: In that you are unable to present a cogent argument which would justify the AI accepting the existence of your 'God', is the rejection of your fallacious assertion reasonable grounds to continue accusing the AI's atheistic world-view as being religious in nature?

I'm glad you are having fun. After all, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Of course if it did, you wouldn't be an atheist.

Your yes-or-no question is not answerable because there isn't any fallacious assertion, as shown by, 'The fact that there is no explanation for the existence of the universe that is based on clear scientific fact, is the almost absolute proof that, whatever the Greatness is that caused the universe to come into existence, fits the dictionary definition of the word "God."'

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May 26, 2015, 02:17:20 PM
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I'm glad you are having fun. After all, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Of course if it did, you wouldn't be an atheist.

Your yes-or-no question is not answerable because there isn't any fallacious assertion,

Again with the dishonest fundie routine.

I said that we atheists were willing to pretend that your desperately clinging to a narrow dictionary definition could be ignored and that, in return, I don't think it is unreasonable for me to ask you to deal with a simple thought experiment.

Unfortunately the dishonesty is strong in you.

You keep attempting to ignore the premise of the thought experiment by introducing your own world-view when the whole point is that both atheist and fundamentalist Christian were being asked to suspend existing perspectives so that the thought-experiment question could be answered honestly.

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Q: In that you are unable to present a cogent argument which would justify the AI accepting the existence of your 'God', is the rejection of your fallacious assertion reasonable grounds to continue accusing the AI's atheistic world-view as being religious in nature?

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May 26, 2015, 02:52:36 PM
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Ok, so to answer the original question, I (as an atheist) don't hate religion.  What I hate is religious people who try to enforce rules upon the general population.  Rules that they themselves do not follow.  For example the commandment that says "don't be gay" is preceded by one that says "don't wear wool and linen at the same time."  Also sodomy is defined (strictly speaking) as any sex that is not for procreation (or more loosely defined as non-vaginal sex including oral).  So, yeah I know a LOT of christians and none of them follow these rules.  So where do they get off trying to make other people follow them?

I have had christian friends that did not want to have premarital sex, so they had oral or anal in stead.  And yet gay people should not get married...

Anyway, to all the christians out there:

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE F ALONE?!?

And stop saying stupid crap like gay people are like child molesters.  Seriously.



When a Christian sees an atheist, out of love for the life and soul of the atheist, he automatically wants to convert the atheist to God, so that the life and soul of the atheist is saved rather than damned.

Then the atheist gets angry with the Christian for telling him supposed nonsense. So he speaks against the Christian. Yet it is the Christian's idea to love and save the atheist.

After a time of being persecuted by atheists, some Christians become upset and fight back, even though they shouldn't. But can you blame these Christians?

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No. When a Christian sees an Atheist, he/she sees freedom, and naturally wants a piece of that freedom pie. There are many different reasons, fear and peer pressure being the dominant ones, that the Christian cannot have that freedom they see.
This gets them angry.
The correct way to deal with this would be to find the strength to break free of their chains, but only a few lucky ones manage.
The wrong way to deal with the anger is to try to remove the freedom from the other person, as once they stop seeing the freedom, their anger will disappear. They try to do this by good old fashion tried and tested fear. Pretending they are doing you a favour by "saving" you, when in reality they are trying to remove your freedom for their own gain.

Steer clear and keep your freedom.


Well of course it is different for every Christian, at least a little, but...

A Christian is aware of the fact that God owns everything, and that God is perfect. The Christian is aware that he is not perfect, because he can feel the sentence of death in his body - the coming of old age. This causes the Christian to fear God. Since God has shown Himself to be honorable among people, this fear turns into respect.

God is just, and punishes those who disobey Him. But He is also loving and merciful to those who try to obey Him, and believe in the forgiveness of Jesus in areas where they fail because of their imperfection.

It seems unfair when those who are against God - atheists, etc. - receive good things, while the good Christian often receives bad things. Certainly this can be upsetting to the Christian at times. However, this life generally lasts for less than a hundred years. So, that's less than a hundred years of enjoyment for the ungodly, and less than a hundred years of problems for the Christian. Then comes an eternity under the sentence that God will pronounce for each and every person individually.

Anybody who likes pain and problems is crazy.
Anybody who doesn't like pleasure and enjoyment and pleasantness is almost as crazy.
Anybody who chooses the good things here for 100 years, and thereby accepts an eternity of pain and problems, is crazier than the craziest.

Turn while you have the chance. Because if you don't, there may come a time for you that you will be locked in to your position of being against God, without the ability to change. Forever in the afterlife won't be fun for you.

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I keep telling you again and again. A god that demands worship via fear of punishment isn't worthy of my worship. The only thing that would do it that way (because it would have no other way) is the devil in disguise.
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May 26, 2015, 03:06:12 PM
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I'm glad you are having fun. After all, your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Of course if it did, you wouldn't be an atheist.

Your yes-or-no question is not answerable because there isn't any fallacious assertion,

Again with the dishonest fundie routine.

I said that we atheists were willing to pretend that your desperately clinging to a narrow dictionary definition could be ignored and that, in return, I don't think it is unreasonable for me to ask you to deal with a simple thought experiment.

Unfortunately the dishonesty is strong in you.

You keep attempting to ignore the premise of the thought experiment by introducing your own world-view when the whole point is that both atheist and fundamentalist Christian were being asked to suspend existing perspectives so that the thought-experiment question could be answered honestly.

So:
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Q: In that you are unable to present a cogent argument which would justify the AI accepting the existence of your 'God', is the rejection of your fallacious assertion reasonable grounds to continue accusing the AI's atheistic world-view as being religious in nature?

Now you are calling the real world evidence dishonesty.

Again, your AI question assumes something that is not real. Thus, it is not possible to answer your question with a real answer.

Since you, an atheist, don't seem to want to use existing dictionary definitions, but would rather play with words that either have no definition, or that you define according to your own personal definitions, there is no way to answer you accurately. Why not? Without dictionary definitions, words are essentially meaningless, except when they are directly defined in their context.

Do you want to express your definitions of the words that you are unwilling to accept the dictionary definitions of? Or have you done so in a hidden way (which would indicate deception on your part)?

Come on. Spit it out clearly. Nobody has all day to try to decipher your foolishness.

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May 26, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
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Ok, so to answer the original question, I (as an atheist) don't hate religion.  What I hate is religious people who try to enforce rules upon the general population.  Rules that they themselves do not follow.  For example the commandment that says "don't be gay" is preceded by one that says "don't wear wool and linen at the same time."  Also sodomy is defined (strictly speaking) as any sex that is not for procreation (or more loosely defined as non-vaginal sex including oral).  So, yeah I know a LOT of christians and none of them follow these rules.  So where do they get off trying to make other people follow them?

I have had christian friends that did not want to have premarital sex, so they had oral or anal in stead.  And yet gay people should not get married...

Anyway, to all the christians out there:

WHY CAN'T YOU JUST LEAVE EVERYONE ELSE THE F ALONE?!?

And stop saying stupid crap like gay people are like child molesters.  Seriously.



When a Christian sees an atheist, out of love for the life and soul of the atheist, he automatically wants to convert the atheist to God, so that the life and soul of the atheist is saved rather than damned.

Then the atheist gets angry with the Christian for telling him supposed nonsense. So he speaks against the Christian. Yet it is the Christian's idea to love and save the atheist.

After a time of being persecuted by atheists, some Christians become upset and fight back, even though they shouldn't. But can you blame these Christians?

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No. When a Christian sees an Atheist, he/she sees freedom, and naturally wants a piece of that freedom pie. There are many different reasons, fear and peer pressure being the dominant ones, that the Christian cannot have that freedom they see.
This gets them angry.
The correct way to deal with this would be to find the strength to break free of their chains, but only a few lucky ones manage.
The wrong way to deal with the anger is to try to remove the freedom from the other person, as once they stop seeing the freedom, their anger will disappear. They try to do this by good old fashion tried and tested fear. Pretending they are doing you a favour by "saving" you, when in reality they are trying to remove your freedom for their own gain.

Steer clear and keep your freedom.


Well of course it is different for every Christian, at least a little, but...

A Christian is aware of the fact that God owns everything, and that God is perfect. The Christian is aware that he is not perfect, because he can feel the sentence of death in his body - the coming of old age. This causes the Christian to fear God. Since God has shown Himself to be honorable among people, this fear turns into respect.

God is just, and punishes those who disobey Him. But He is also loving and merciful to those who try to obey Him, and believe in the forgiveness of Jesus in areas where they fail because of their imperfection.

It seems unfair when those who are against God - atheists, etc. - receive good things, while the good Christian often receives bad things. Certainly this can be upsetting to the Christian at times. However, this life generally lasts for less than a hundred years. So, that's less than a hundred years of enjoyment for the ungodly, and less than a hundred years of problems for the Christian. Then comes an eternity under the sentence that God will pronounce for each and every person individually.

Anybody who likes pain and problems is crazy.
Anybody who doesn't like pleasure and enjoyment and pleasantness is almost as crazy.
Anybody who chooses the good things here for 100 years, and thereby accepts an eternity of pain and problems, is crazier than the craziest.

Turn while you have the chance. Because if you don't, there may come a time for you that you will be locked in to your position of being against God, without the ability to change. Forever in the afterlife won't be fun for you.

Smiley

I keep telling you again and again. A god that demands worship via fear of punishment isn't worthy of my worship. The only thing that would do it that way (because it would have no other way) is the devil in disguise.
Yeah, have fun with that. Cheesy

Glaringly obvious when you think about it. Well.... It is for those with their eyes open. Kiss

Daddy tells his little children in the back seat to leave their seat belts buckled. Sometimes the kids unbuckle the seat belts anyway. So, Daddy stops and re-buckles the seat belts around the kids. After this happens a few times, Daddy threatens the kids with punishment.

Why does Daddy threaten the punishment? Because the family has places to go and things to do, and people to see. Daddy wants the inexperienced children to arrive safely. Daddy doesn't have all day to keep on stopping and re-buckling the seat belts. In fact, this game becomes so active that the kids are unbuckling before Daddy gets going again. It is a fun game for the kids, and Daddy, too, for a while. But it has to stop. It is unsafe.

IF Daddy has to punish, does he do it because he wants to? Does he do it for the fun of it? No! He does it for the safety of the kids. You can bet that there have been injured kids because they wouldn't follow the instructions, and even the punishment, to leave their seat belt buckled.

When God rules by fear, He is doing it for your safety. He doesn't want you to spend an eternity in Hell.

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May 26, 2015, 03:32:18 PM
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I keep telling you again and again. A god that demands worship via fear of punishment isn't worthy of my worship. The only thing that would do it that way (because it would have no other way) is the devil in disguise.
Yeah, have fun with that. Cheesy

Glaringly obvious when you think about it. Well.... It is for those with their eyes open. Kiss

Too true, Lets take the saying "Good God fearing person" and dissect it.
It means you are only Good because you Fear repercussions from God and infers that you can be trusted because of this.

Those that choose to do Good out of no fear have the True Moral high ground.

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May 26, 2015, 03:37:12 PM
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I keep telling you again and again. A god that demands worship via fear of punishment isn't worthy of my worship. The only thing that would do it that way (because it would have no other way) is the devil in disguise.
Yeah, have fun with that. Cheesy

Glaringly obvious when you think about it. Well.... It is for those with their eyes open. Kiss

Too true, Lets take the saying "Good God fearing person" and dissect it.
It means you are only Good because you Fear repercussions from God and infers that you can be trusted because of this.

Those that choose to do Good out of no fear have the True Moral high ground.

Absolutely not. Many children love their Daddy, and allow their seat belts to remain buckled, simply because Daddy asked them to.

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May 26, 2015, 03:56:25 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.


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May 26, 2015, 04:07:20 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

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May 26, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

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You apply no logic to your arguments and are either blinded by your beliefs or are just close minded. either way you are a waste of time to address.

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May 26, 2015, 04:17:15 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

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Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.

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May 26, 2015, 04:32:17 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

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You apply no logic to your arguments and are either blinded by your beliefs or are just close minded. either way you are a waste of time to address.

It is illogical to accept this from you since you don't even suggest what is illogical about the things you think are my arguments.

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May 26, 2015, 04:33:52 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

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Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.


Ask yourself that question about your religion. The only way you won't get an answer is if your religion doesn't allow you to think.

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May 26, 2015, 05:10:17 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

Smiley

Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.


Ask yourself that question about your religion. The only way you won't get an answer is if your religion doesn't allow you to think.

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No restrictions this end.

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May 26, 2015, 05:31:20 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

Smiley

Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.


Ask yourself that question about your religion. The only way you won't get an answer is if your religion doesn't allow you to think.

Smiley

No restrictions this end.

So, what answer does your religion give you?   Smiley
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May 26, 2015, 05:51:44 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

Smiley

Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.


Ask yourself that question about your religion. The only way you won't get an answer is if your religion doesn't allow you to think.

Smiley

No restrictions this end.

So, what answer does your religion give you?   Smiley

Nothing, because I don't use your twisted warped definition of the word religion that changes daily to suit the situation.

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May 26, 2015, 05:57:36 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

Smiley

Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.


Ask yourself that question about your religion. The only way you won't get an answer is if your religion doesn't allow you to think.

Smiley

No restrictions this end.

So, what answer does your religion give you?   Smiley

Nothing, because I don't use your twisted warped definition of the word religion that changes daily to suit the situation.


Since you have access to dictionaries just like most other people, your answer to the question, "nothing," simply means that you can't even hear yourself think. You are the most capable vegetable I have ever seen.

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May 26, 2015, 06:09:42 PM
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Poor analogy.

Religion is most certainly not a "safety belt".
It's a hardened steel chain, designed not for the benefit of the captive.



This is true about your religion of atheism or whatever it is. It might be true about many other religions, as well. If a christian thinks this about his Christian religion, he has a lot of re-thinking to do.

Smiley

Does religion grant permission for it's victims to think? I'm guessing that's strictly controlled.


Ask yourself that question about your religion. The only way you won't get an answer is if your religion doesn't allow you to think.

Smiley

No restrictions this end.

So, what answer does your religion give you?   Smiley

Nothing, because I don't use your twisted warped definition of the word religion that changes daily to suit the situation.


Since you have access to dictionaries just like most other people, your answer to the question, "nothing," simply means that you can't even hear yourself think. You are the most capable vegetable I have ever seen.

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Vegetable today, perhaps tomorrow you'll change some word definition around so I won't be. Fingers crossed.

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May 26, 2015, 06:31:48 PM
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BTW, I never answered this.

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Why do Atheists hate Religion ?

The answer is that they do not, it is the other way around. Actually most atheists I know feel very sad for those that feel they must conform to some doctrine in order to have a better life than the one they currently have. I see there point.

Last post, thread is a waste of time.

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May 26, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
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BTW, I never answered this.

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Why do Atheists hate Religion ?

The answer is that they do not, it is the other way around. Actually most atheists I know feel very sad for those that feel they must conform to some doctrine in order to have a better life than the one they currently have. I see there point.

Last post, thread is a waste of time.

Every last one of them, right? Well, you might as well leave after a statement like that.

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