Martin Armstrong Discussion

[thatbluedude]

Every 309 years serious shifts come. The end of the severe minimum in the sun spot activity was 1715. Thus 1715+309 = 2024 will be the start of a slide into a new minimum in sun spot activity.
Seriously bad shit can result.
We are headed into really bad and difficult times.
The main upside is we are more technologically advanced by now, so we can cope well if we get organized with the Knowledge Age.

the future looks indeed rather grimm.
I'm interested in opinions on how that 33%-50% famine would play out. Would food prices simply rise until the bottom third can't afford the necessary calories? how much of an increase would be needed for it to get that bad? at what point does food scarity affect public order(when does it go from 'go to bed hungry' to 'starve because death squads are roaming outside')? would it be just another tv drama for eu+usa citizens or would they suffer too?

[bigtimespaghetti]

Every 309 years serious shifts come. The end of the severe minimum in the sun spot activity was 1715. Thus 1715+309 = 2024 will be the start of a slide into a new minimum in sun spot activity.
Seriously bad shit can result.
We are headed into really bad and difficult times.
The main upside is we are more technologically advanced by now, so we can cope well if we get organized with the Knowledge Age.

the future looks indeed rather grimm.
I'm interested in opinions on how that 33%-50% famine would play out. Would food prices simply rise until the bottom third can't afford the necessary calories? how much of an increase would be needed for it to get that bad? at what point does food scarity affect public order(when does it go from 'go to bed hungry' to 'starve because death squads are roaming outside')? would it be just another tv drama for eu+usa citizens or would they suffer too?

Perhaps study of Bosnia may be relevant.

Food scarcity would seriously affect western nations- it has been generations since they have experienced such hardship. Will this truly happen with advanced farming techniques and GMO though?

[thatbluedude]

Perhaps study of Bosnia may be relevant.

that article actually partially inspired the starve because no mobility part.

Food scarcity would seriously affect western nations- it has been generations since they have experienced such hardship. Will this truly happen with advanced farming techniques and GMO though?

that's the question. It seems impossible for this to happen. I can buy a pound of rolled oats for 30 cents, you could quadruble the costs and life would go on*.Even vegetables can be grown at high but manageable prices independent of weather (https://www.google.com/search?q=japan+factory+lettuce). Not to mention that currently 30% off all food just gets thrown away or all that corn that get inefficiently convertet into meat.
*seen as brand products currently cost as much.

[TPTB_need_war]

I estimate 60 - 80% probability of radical global chaos coming and persisting for the remainder of my life, beginning roughly in 2018 in earnest and worsening again after 2024. I don't think it will be absolute loss of governance and society every where. But it is very difficult to predict all of the ramifications and situations are likely to be very fluid and changing, so any one regional advantage could at some point turn against you.

The best advice I have is try to move before the SHTF to a warmer area that is either too wet (thus some drying trend won't cause total drought) or a more rarely a warmer area that is too dry that might experience an increase in precipitation due to changes in prevailing winds or something. I don't have the data on which areas were best in the last Little Ice Age. Can any one dig up this data?

And then you need to make a decision whether you trust society in that area to remain civilized; if yes then go for populated areas and depend on community. If not and you can afford it, then maybe go for your own ranch heavily defended by sturdy male family (or perhaps robots will be available soon to employ as a defensive army).

Seems right now one of the most productive activities we men could do is start to acquaint ourselves with each other and making compacts to be neighbors and bond together to be able to provide the economy-of-scale to have a small rural community defense and diversification of food production and trading.

Photo of some of the nutcases we will be up against:

that's the question. It seems impossible for this to happen. I can buy a pound of rolled oats for 30 cents, you could quadruble the costs and life would go on*.

You apparently lack appreciation of the significance of both marginal prices in economics, and also the non-linear effects of chaos.

1. With marginal prices in Economics 101, the price you pay is set by the most expensive producer. It is not a useful model to think of a 3/4 reduction in food production causing causing a 400% increase in prices, because when you take away 3/4 of the lowest cost producers, the new supply is highest cost producers. So as was the case in Bosnia, where the cost of food was driven by the highest cost producers, a tin can of Spam was $30 to $40, i.e. roughly a 1000% increase. You need to visualize this as disruption of economies-of-scale not only in farming, but also in terms of distribution economies-of-scale, security of farming and distribution economies-of-scale.

2. When the population has become dependent on high economies-of-scale in farming, distribution, credit, government, corporations, etc., and that is taken away by mother nature and or widespread war/pestilence (-4.5 F average temperature reduction in cold climates, with great aggregate effects such as flooding, droughts, etc), then the F.U.B.A.R. human effects are quite non-linear as described in that link bigtimespaghetti provided on surviving the war in Bosnia (which I had read long ago when it was first published). This can further exacerbate application of solutions and thus drive prices another 1000% higher.

Adaptation was essential as explained below, but the following adaptation can't be done if you are surrounded by humans who are suddenly thrust into a situation for which they are not prepared because they will hunt you instead of adapting:

http://archive.archaeology.org/1209/letter/iceland_hjalmarvik_irminger_east_greenland_current.html

During the coldest winters, sea ice would have covered the bays at Svalbard. This usually meant a short summer with little time to grow grass to feed sheep, but the ice also brought a food resource with it—seals. According to Woollett, the excavations around Svalbard reveal that after the Little Ice Age began, the amount of seal and fish bone in the middens dramatically increases, demonstrating that these animals were an important part of the diet. The people of Svalbard could also rely on getting a certain amount of food by fishing and by butchering beached whales.

At the same time, the farmers at Svalbard changed their herding strategy. The farm would have kept a few cows for dairying and a few horses for transportation, but almost all of the animals raised at Svalbard were sheep. According to Woollett, this was a good approach because sheep are hardier and require less fodder than pigs and cattle. The pastures in northeastern Iceland aren’t as productive as those in continental Europe, so the strategy at Svalbard seems to have been to raise a relatively small number of sheep on a large amount of land. “The land is pretty crappy, but there is a lot of it,” says Woollett, adding, “they’re not producing what you want to eat if you are an elite [i.e., beef], but it is a predictable and durable system.” A similar system persisted for centuries. Even after farmers began to use tractors in the early to mid-twentieth century and were making money from tourists who wanted to fish in their rivers, sheep herding remained the agricultural focus of the area’s farms.

http://www.eh-resources.org/timeline/timeline_lia.html

Marginal regions

During the height of the Little Ice Age , it was in general about one degree Celsius colder than at present. The Baltic Sea froze over, as did most of the rivers in Europe. Winters were bitterly cold and prolonged, reducing the growing season by several weeks. These conditions led to widespread crop failure, famine, and in some regions population decline.

The prices of grain increased and wine became difficult to produce in many areas and commercial vineyards vanished in England. Fishing in northern Europe was also badly affected as cod migrated south to find warmer water. Storminess and flooding increased and in mountainous regions the treeline and snowline dropped. In addition glaciers advanced in the Alps and Northern Europe, overrunning towns and farms in the process.

Iceland was one of the hardest hit areas. Sea ice, which today is far to the north, came down around Iceland. In some years, it was difficult to bring a ship ashore anywhere along the coast. Grain became impossible to grow and even hay crops failed. Volcanic eruptions made life even harder. Iceland lost half of its population during the Little Ice Age.

Tax records in Scandinavia show many farms were destroyed by advancing ice of glaciers and by melt water streams. Travellers in Scotland reported permanent snow cover over the Cairngorm Mountains in Scotland at an altitude of about 1200 metres. In the Alps, the glaciers advanced and bulldozed over towns. Ice-dammed lakes burst periodically, destroying hundreds of buildings and killing many people. As late as 1930 the French Government commissioned a report to investigate the threat of the glaciers.

Understand how important the functioning of trade (which could be disrupted by wars and coming global chaos) between disaffected regions was (but note this improvement also coincided with the lifting of the worst of the minimum sun spot cycle by 1715):

Agricultural revolution

During the later Middle Ages, slowly but steadily farmers started to experiment with new agricultural methods, in order to adapt to increasingly unpredictable climates and also stimulated by the growth of profitable markets in growing cities and increasing long distance trade.

This initially low technology agricultural revolution started in Flanders and the Netherlands in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Dutch farmers experimented with lay farming, the deliberate growing of animal fodder and cultivating grasslands for cattle. In addition they started systematic breeding of cows and the Frisian milk cow is probably the most famous example of this.

Another innovation was the continuous growing of specialized crops. Instead of letting valuable ground lay fallow, they planted peas, beans and especially nitrogen-rich clover, all of which provided food for humans and animals alike. The vegetables were rotated with grain, turnips and later potato for export but also for feeding dairy cattle. As a result of this system the amount of fallow land contracted rapidly until it totally disappeared. Agriculture became an intensive activity.

The new intensive agriculture produced such a high surplus that Flanders and later the Netherlands could specialize and diversify their agricultural activity. With abundance of fodder, animal and dairy farming (think of Dutch cheese) became increasingly important economic activities. More meat, wool, and leather as well cheese came on the market as the new agriculture broke the dependence on grain. At the same time farmers diversified into industrial crops such as flax, mustard and hops for brewing beer.

This agricultural revolution could not have succeeded without the development of new ships to withstand the harsher climatic conditions imported large amounts of grain form the Baltic, undermining local grain production. These grain imports made the Flemish and Dutch economy independent from climatic fluctuations causing famine.

[TPTB_need_war]

The catalysts. Some years ago I independently happenstanced on (discovered) Martin Armstrong's 78.9 (79) year cycle of real estate (which I also correlated to technological unemployment cycles). So when I later discovered Armstrong's cycle models and that he had back tested them to the Athenian empire and before (even as far back as Mesopotamia), I'm keen to accept that such a cycle does exist. Armstrong is the largest hedge fund manager in history, formerly managing $3 trillion in Japanese sovereign funds before he got unintentionally entangled in the USA bankster's involved in the LTCM and Russian bonds scam via Republic bank which involved some of the funds he was managing. It is with this wealth that he compiled the massive $billion (in today's money) historical economics and natural phenomenon database that enable his supercomputer system to correlate and find these patterns and repeating cycles.

It is with this system that he has been accurately predicting everything since the 1980s without fail. In fact, I have predicted the past 4 major moves in the Bitcoin price employing his model, including my recent prediction in May that BTC would rise to $315 in June and July, then crash back down to below $150 for the Octoberish bottom.

So the model for what you are concerned with has to do with we are in a cycle of shifting from Public (i.e. sovereign and municipal bonds) to Private (e.g. gold, Bitcoin, and until 2017 USA assets including stocks) assets. There are numerous others cycles converging at this time which is what will make this coming contagion so horrific. These include the Cycle of War (both intra- and international), Pandemic Cycle, and even the Little Ice Age cycle of sunspot minimums.

What is happening now is the peripheral (to the global reserve) markets are nearing the Minsky moment dominoes collapse coming October. This is evident with rising bond spreads in Europe and the increasing volatility in for example China. And you find similar examples in Venezuela, Argentina, etc..

The distinction from 2008 will be that instead of the USA flooding the world with dollars via QE-to-the-moon (forcing China at al to flood Yuan, Euro, etc to keep US$ from becoming too strong and destroying their exports), this peripheral capital will be stampeding back into the USA as the last standing safe haven and the US Fed will be raising rates because it will see a bubble from its perspective despite the contraction in the rest of the globe's economies. The US$ will become too strong, because the peripheral economies are all effectively short the dollar (via massive loans denominated in US$ because ZIRP forced dollar investors to look abroad for yield which is what caused these bubbles abroad which are now collapsing) and will become even more so as their dollar reserves run back to the USA.

Thus going into 2017, the US$ will become so strong that it will choke off the USA economy (and also the stampede of capital into the USA will have peaked), the last economy still standing by that time. As the USA falls into the abyss in 2018, the entire world will descend into a horrific economic collapse.

The USA would try to print more QE after it heads down into the abyss in 2018, but this will be too late for the rest of the nations which will have already imploded and the USA's domestic politics are going more radicalized third party (especially after Clinton wins the 2016 POTUS election), thus this will prevent another massive TARP bailout for banks, so the banksters will instead in cahoots with the government go for bail-ins which will be massively deflationary.

This is it folks. Cash is king. Get out while you still can. This may be my last warning.

[TPTB_need_war]

Every 309 years serious shifts come. The end of the severe minimum in the sun spot activity was 1715. Thus 1715+309 = 2024 will be the start of a slide into a new minimum in sun spot activity.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/34868

[marcus_of_augustus]

Every 309 years serious shifts come. The end of the severe minimum in the sun spot activity was 1715. Thus 1715+309 = 2024 will be the start of a slide into a new minimum in sun spot activity.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/34868

Seems timely ...

A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645.

[herzmeister]

so, astrology after all?

[macsga]

so, astrology after all?

Astrophysics, actually...
FWIW, it's not 100% certified, it's just a possible scenario. I know about 50 out of 100 Physicists that claim the exact opposite. Modelizing such chaotic phenomena is somewhat "Armstrongeconomics" and for reasons broadly explained elsewhere, I have my doubts it will prove itself 100% right.

@TPTB_need_war: Thanks for quoting my comments from Klee's thread here. Damn. I type too much

[MF Doom]

I also was directed to his site through a thread on this forum.  The guy seems to speak a lot of truth and uses hard facts and historical trends to make predictions.  One things that kind of sounded a little far out was that his computer model that he uses to make predictions cost "hundreds of millions" to put together.  I'm not sure where that would come from.

[TPTB_need_war]

I also was directed to his site through a thread on this forum.  The guy seems to speak a lot of truth and uses hard facts and historical trends to make predictions.  One things that kind of sounded a little far out was that his computer model that he uses to make predictions cost "hundreds of millions" to put together.  I'm not sure where that would come from.

Collecting the hard data since antiquity.

[macsga]

As an expert on the field (I'm joking, I'm not even close!) I'd say that his method is similar to other ways of extracting numerical results from a matrix with (phenomenally) random data. A well known technique is the Monte Carlo method which, we Physicists are using in various cases to solve a multi system of integrals that represent wave functions (usually QM representations) by using random numbers. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Carlo_method]

The elephant in the room is of course the word "random". What is random? Is there a possible way to actually create a TRULY random series of numbers? Well... The short answer is... "there's not". However hard would you try; whatever method you want to implement, no matter how many asymptotic numbers you integrate, even if you count in the irrationality of the sequence of Pi... you won't make it.

Whatever the pattern, the Chaos will come along with a peculiar characteristic: Entropy. And this thing tends to grow while the Chaos expands. Entropy tends to create order. Order in chaotic mathematical models is represented graphically with a double helix graph like the one on my avatar (on the left). This beauty's called "Strange Attractor" and it comes as plural when a "significantly big factor" occurs in order to make a new "zero point". In the graph it's where the 1st wing of the "butterfly" separates from the other.

Well; can you calculate WHEN this is going to happen?

The short answer is "you can't". But if you have an extraordinary amount of historical data, you could definitely know "where this thing is going". This is what I think Armstrong has achieved. He's smart enough to have an online sampling system to continuously add data to his model in order to "announce a self-fulfilling prophecy". When a new "zero point" occurs, he will just have to restart the model.

If you understood a bit from all the above, I think you deserve some props. If you didn't; there's a nice quote that fits me perfectly:

[TPTB_need_war]

Apologies I am too distracted to comment further on the modeling math and physics. I am interested but need to concentrate else where for the moment.

But it doesn't distract too many brain cells to comment on Armstrong's continued myopia on the manipulation the axis powers are doing by pretending to be antagonists. I wish someone would email this rebuttal to Armstrong and demand he justify his nonsense. I got tired of emailing him.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/34968

IMF Says Greek Debt Should be Foregiven

Even the IMF has come out now and warned that Greece may need a complete debt write-off. That is sending an economic earthquake through Europe for it undermines the political position of Merkel entirely. There is no doubt about this, Greece cannot pay and cannot raise taxes yet simultaneously still have any viable economy. This is the collapse of Socialism.

So why has the IMF turned around? If Greek’s debt is not written off, the harsh economic conditions being imposed will merely send Greece into the waiting arms of Russia. This is now becoming political with the IMF agreeing with the Obama position.

What you need to understand is that the grand plan (further behind the curtain than Armstrong has access) has been ever since the Euro was created, is that the irreparable debts would be consolidated onto the entire EU balance sheet. The plan all along was a new world order government and financial system, with the 10 Kings regions from the Bible (European Union, Asian Union, North American Union, South American Union, etc) as the next step towards that goal.

So this above with the IMF, Russia, Merkel is just more of the usual Hegelian dialectic (a.k.a. good car salesman, bad car salesman) ploy wherein there appears to be antagonists, but in reality they are all just pretending and squeezing the masses in between a rock and a hard place so the ultimate result is towards the shared goal of TPTB in all regions and nations.

So the IMF will pretend to be the good guys, so Germany will be forced to accept unifying the debts of Europe in order to prevent Greece from falling to the bad guys Russia.

Sheesh, Armstrong is as gullible as a 5 year old sometimes.

Edit: this interview is illuminating:

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece

[bigtimespaghetti]

Edit: this interview is illuminating:

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece

Half way through reading this, and it is shocking stuff. Validates a lot of what MA has been saying about the political elite. Downright shocking if what Varoufakis says is true, and I don't have any reason to disbelieve the guy.

[herzmeister]

Kingdom of South America? In the bible? 

[macsga]

Edit: this interview is illuminating:

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/07/yanis-varoufakis-full-transcript-our-battle-save-greece

Half way through reading this, and it is shocking stuff. Validates a lot of what MA has been saying about the political elite. Downright shocking if what Varoufakis says is true, and I don't have any reason to disbelieve the guy.

The best part is this one:

What is the greatest problem with the general way the Eurogroup functions?

YV: [To exemplify…] There was a moment when the President of the Eurogroup decided to move against us and effectively shut us out, and made it known that Greece was essentially on its way out of the Eurozone. … There is a convention that communiqués must be unanimous, and the President can’t just convene a meeting of the Eurozone and exclude a member state. And he said, “Oh I’m sure I can do that.” So I asked for a legal opinion. It created a bit of a kerfuffle. For about 5-10 minutes the meeting stopped, clerks, officials were talking to one another, on their phone, and eventually some official, some legal expert addressed me, and said the following words, that “Well, the Eurogroup does not exist in law, there is no treaty which has convened this group.”

So what we have is a non-existent group that has the greatest power to determine the lives of Europeans. It’s not answerable to anyone, given it doesn’t exist in law; no minutes are kept; and it’s confidential. So no citizen ever knows what is said within. … These are decisions of almost life and death, and no member has to answer to anybody.

PS: I know the guy, he's for real.

[TPTB_need_war]

Kingdom of South America? In the bible?  

Daniel 7:24 The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

Revelation 17:12 The 10 horns you saw are 10 kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they will receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.




http://www.markswatson.com/tenkingsFrame2Source1.htm

One thing that is spoken of prophetically is that the Earth will be divided into ten kingdoms. These Kings, who rule over these kingdoms will then sell out their own sovereignty to a one world system

"And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no power as yet but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast." (Rev. 17:12-13)

A system of Government will be established, according to the Bible, which will ascend out of the bottomless pit (Rev 17:8 ) and make war with the saints and to overcome them (Rev 13:7). The Beast will cause every man on Earth to be numbered in order to buy and sell (Rev 13 :16-17). The Beast will be a wonder to see and watch (Rev 13:3). The entire world will worship the Dragon (Satan) who gives power to the Beast (Rev 13:4 and Rev 20:2). The System is being rapidly set up before our eyes and is using its economic, political and spiritual power to bring it to pass. The Dragon gives this system its power and authority (Rev 13:2). Because the Dragon is such a deceiver, we should expect the system to be brought into being with great subtlety and deceit. We have not been able to fully ascertain what the Dragon has been doing because we have been distracted. This Beast will be most formidable. It will literally tread the Earth down with its power and make life hell for the saints.

 

But there is another Beast.

This beast is one that many seem to underestimate, but which is just as dangerous as the first. The first Beast Had 10 Horns, which represents 10 kings. This second Beast has two horns. The scriptures make a very interesting and important observation about this second beast.

"And He exerciseth all the Power of the first Beast before him and causeth all the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed." (Rev 13: 11).

The phase 'before him' can also be rendered 'in his presence'. This is a very powerful entity. I believe we should attempt to make at least some sort of identification of this beast as it plays a key role in the end time system.

Identifying the role and purpose of this beast should not be too difficult as his activities are described for us in John's Revelation. First, other that the fact that he has all the authority of the ten horned World Government, he also seems to have a very important role to play in finalizing the spiritual power to the First Beast. IT is the False Prophet who will cause all those who dwell on the Earth to worship the first beast. He will be able to deceive those who dwell on the Earth by the Miracles he is able to perform:

Revelation 13

11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon.

12 And it exercises all the authority of the first beast before him, and causes the earth and those dwelling in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And it does great wonders, so that it makes fire come down from the heaven onto the earth in the sight of men.

14 And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the miracles which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth that they should make an image to the beast who had the wound by a sword and lived.

15 And there was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might both speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

16 And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads,

17 even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.

18 Here is the wisdom. Let him having reason count the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. And its number is six hundred and sixty-six.

This Beast is either a religious system or a political system with strong spiritual underpinnings. There have been a few biblical prophecy teachers who have attempted to identify this system. This system (Beast) will have the power to perform miracles and be able to deceive many with the miracles he performs. The type of power he wields is shown by one of the miracles he performs in the sight of men. This is a miracle that Elijah performed in the book of 1st Kings (18:30-38) and in the book of 2nd Kings (Chapter 1). This is a very deceptive miracle because it has been prophesied that the LORD would send Elijah before the great and terrible Day of the LORD (Mal 4:5). This could cause many, especially in Israel to believe the miracles of the False Prophet. This will indeed be a mighty deception, especially if this false prophet then declares the antichrist to be god on earth. Identifying the false Prophet is imperative to understand the last days.

The first beast will be wounded by the Knowledge Age and anonymity.

It will fight back by being able to tap directly into the thoughts of every human. I believe the number of man is flesh and blood, i.e. 666 is the approximate center wavelength of red blood.

The second beast will probably control the grant of life. Thus it will be worshiped by all those who idolize life more than righteousness.

[TPTB_need_war]

No one can escape a fate that it's been destined for the others... That alone should trigger a self preservation mechanism that will eventually overcome the destruction issues. Of course, there's always the chance that TPTB have already studied this scenario and they've prepared a plan B. And I don't rule out that B stands for Bitcoin...

No, collectivized systems can't escape the Petri dish until they starve themselves to death. See below... (there is no positive feedback loop)

PS: I know the guy, he's for real.

What is poignant is even though he knows a GrExit is the only way they have any power over the situation, he says his elected mandate from the people was to negotiate for a compromise and debt relief. And he said only 2 of the 8 wanted a GrExit after the referendum mandate from the people not to accept the prior bailout package, and that he believes in the democratic process and collectivized responsibility so he accepted the will of the 6 of 8.

That is direct proof that I was correct when I wrote the following in 2010 (which was widely published by the way, just google "Understand Everything Fundamentally").

I am looking forward to Armstrong's comments re Greece tomorrow and the near-future.

I think I understand this better than Armstrong does.

Perhaps the Troika will use the big stick of capital controls to induce the Greeks to vote for the Troika's bailout terms which contains a few carrots with more austerity.

The referendum is some sham to convince the Europeans they are not under a dictatorship, as was the case for Scotland.

Remember my prediction in 2010 in the "Understanding Everything Fundamentally" essay.

You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

http://www.coolpage.com/commentary/economic/shelby/Understand%20Everything%20Fundamentally.html#europe

"Coase’s theorem says that an inefficient internal order will continue for as long as there remains an unavoidable frictional barrier insulating it from the more efficient external possibilities. The fundamental reason the EU crisis will not result in a disintegration of the union, at least not until its people significantly abandon collectivism, is that organisms which are unable to comprehend the mechanism by which they are consuming resources faster than their ecosystem can replenish, thus are unable to stop the mechanism before they perish. So the implosion of the friction and thus the order only occurs when they perish, because they will continue to repeat the mechanism which they do not understand to be a cause of their suffering. This can be verified in a petri dish, as an organism will reproduce until it consumes all of its food or oxygen."

This is relevant also:

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P.S. This myopia is also related to why Armstrong's proposed solutions for Greece and the sovereign debt crisis in general are untenable at best, and even if they could be implemented they would be a horrible result for mainstreet over the long-term, because all his proposals involve the centralization of power. I have explained why in prior posts about them. For example, the only way Greece could survive a GrExit would be with the access to international markets, but the axis powers are complicit. As for the debt for equity swap Armstrong proposes (sovereign debt exchanged for corporate shares), I explained in the past that this requires that investors have a fungible valuation of disparate companies. The only way that proposal is workable is if it is basically transferring a basket of all public companies to a single entity that holds all the debt, i.e. the TPTB. It is just same FDR gold swindle in disguise all over again. I really think Armstrong works for TPTB. He is advocating a one-world currency reserve and world domination by TPTB. That is coming and inevitable, and our escape is the Knowledge Age and our own decentralized, scalable, anonymous cryptocurrency.

[MF Doom]

P.S. This myopia is also related to why Armstrong's proposed solutions for Greece and the sovereign debt crisis in general are untenable at best, and even if they could be implemented they would be a horrible result for mainstreet over the long-term, because all his proposals involve the centralization of power. I have explained why in prior posts about them. For example, the only way Greece could survive a GrExit would be with the access to international markets, but the axis powers are complicit. As for the debt for equity swap Armstrong proposes (sovereign debt exchanged for corporate shares), I explained in the past that this requires that investors have a fungible valuation of disparate companies. The only way that proposal is workable is if it is basically transferring a basket of all public companies to a single entity that holds all the debt, i.e. the TPTB. It is just same FDR gold swindle in disguise all over again. I really think Armstrong works for TPTB. He is advocating a one-world currency reserve and world domination by TPTB. That is coming and inevitable, and our escape is the Knowledge Age and our own decentralized, scalable, anonymous cryptocurrency.

So do you have advice/predictions on the coming year or 2?  I know a LOT of people have been pointing toward the latter part of this year (including Martin Armstrong) as some sort of turning point in world economics.  Couple that with the "Jade Helm" exercises coming to a "conclusion" at that time and a lot of theories are coming up regarding economic collapse, etc.

Anyway, do you have any general advice?  Buy gold/silver?  Ammo?  Food?

[TPTB_need_war]

Anyway, do you have any general advice?  Buy gold/silver?  Ammo?  Food?

You don't need to stock food and ammo until 2017, unless you think your access to them will hampered by then. As of October 2015, we are exiting the eye of the storm from 2008, but we won't be into the worst of it until 2018, because the USA will remain strong into 2017 because of the capital stampeding out of the rest of the world flowing back (from the QE that flooded the world) into the USA as safe haven which will blow bubbles in the USA stock market and dollar.

I will delete this post. This is perhaps my last FYI to try to help the fools here.

Get out of what? Equities? Money in savings? Should we go all in on crypto and PM? Not trolling. Serious Qs

Go dollar cash now. After Oct go dollar, PMs, crypto, and US stock market. On the blowoff peak in 2017, sell dollar, stocks, PMs, and go exclusively crypto. Dollar and stocks will peak in 2017 and into the abyss after. Gold will be heavy taxed (expropriated when you sell it by various means) and there will not be black markets (after 2017), because cash will be phased out (the banks will retire all cash and none will be printed). Anonymous crypto will be your only chance to escape expropriation after 2017. I had already explained why real estate will be destroyed as an investment.

Armstrongs models ...

http://www.silverdoctors.com/martin-armstrong-the-stock-market-will-double-by-2015/

Lying won't help you.

I was reading Armstrong's blog daily as of August 2012 when (it was roughly 12,000) he clearly stated that either it would double before October 2015, or it would phase shift and align with private assets and then delay that double or triple until 2017. Indeed the USA stock market did rise to roughly 18,000 and then it phase shifted and so now we await the double or triple in 2017.