Up Like Trump

[vokain]

There is no free market when a selected group of people can socialize their loss and privatize their profits, furthermore if those people are able to achieve regulatory capture and still need to be bailed it tells you that they are better at corrupting than finance ;-).

So all argument about what ever in the context of a free market are mute. This is where Obama failed to explain and chose to (again) build a narrative. If mostly Jewish white men of Wall Street will not lose their income because of their total incompetency why shall black get nothing too? Who is gonna loot faster America and move away?

And you think that Trump would change that at all? He supported the bailouts. He thrives on government interference in the market.

Is it wrong to think that Trump will implement more cost controls than the alternative options? If so good enough for me, not like I can have my libertarian utopia in a snap of a couple fingers

To me, Elwardian Libertarians and the Sandersnista flavor of Socialists are two peas in a pod.  Run-of-the-mill utopians without enough common sense to make much of a difference one way or another.  They are basically like the large dense object found by groping about in a toolbox when a hammer has been mis-placed, and to the more shrewd actors who have that basic potential they are inevitably used as such.

There is certainly not much difference between Hillary and Trump. The last time the presidency was up for grabs by both parties Trump voted right alongside Hillary for Barack Obama.

We actually have 2 Republican governors with proven fiscally conservative track records that will likely be in the debates against the two big government Democrats. They are far from utopian and certainly would not be my first pick as a libertarian but at least they don't support centralization of power.

I do love me some Gary Johnson. Who's the other person?

[Masha Sha]

Best and only VP for trump is Flynn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk4jH2DAqw

(Pence is too cheap (£))

And just by the attacks on Flynn you can know how much the demcratic side is afraid...

[tvbcof]

Best and only VP for trump is Flynn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk4jH2DAqw

(Pence is too cheap (£))

And just by the attacks on Flynn you can know how much the demcratic side is afraid...

Yup.  It was one of the first things I noticed when I started researching Flynn.  I honestly would not be surprised if a yellow puddle was to be found under the chair of one of the Dem-tinged establishment talking heads who I noticed early in my researched.  Clearly rattled.

[Spendulus]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

Wall?

Mexican President says, No WAY JOSE:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/world/mexico-president-fareed-interview/

I got some news for you.  The Mexican president is not in charge of whether the US builds a wall or not.

[RoomBot]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

Wall?

Mexican President says, No WAY JOSE:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/world/mexico-president-fareed-interview/

I got some news for you.  The Mexican president is not in charge of whether the US builds a wall or not.

Of course.  The article states that he won't pay for it. 

[Masha Sha]

Best and only VP for trump is Flynn...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk4jH2DAqw

(Pence is too cheap (£))

And just by the attacks on Flynn you can know how much the demcratic side is afraid...

Yup.  It was one of the first things I noticed when I started researching Flynn.  I honestly would not be surprised if a yellow puddle was to be found under the chair of one of the Dem-tinged establishment talking heads who I noticed early in my researched.  Clearly rattled.

I sincerely think it could be the best combination not only to win the election but to make America great again.

Flynn is worth listening to. As an advice to the guy I would tell him to chill out during interviews and understand that in America people are more interested to learn and listen than to confront him. He should listen to the way GWB speaks, simply and deeply. Rural rancher awareness. Key word: relax, chill, enjoy and have fun.

[mrhelpful]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

You know for a damn fact mexico isnt going to fork up to pay a wall all across bottom line of texas.

The fact he said mexico would pay for it is just dumb, and if he thinks we all would want to pay for it thats even more dumb.

Then again that would question on spending in general since half the US is made up of immigrants who made US what it is today...

[Spendulus]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

Wall?

Mexican President says, No WAY JOSE:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/world/mexico-president-fareed-interview/

I got some news for you.  The Mexican president is not in charge of whether the US builds a wall or not.

Of course.  The article states that he won't pay for it.  

He's not in charge of whether Mexico pays for it or not.  All that the US has to do is place a small fee on "Remittances" from the US to Mexico.  That's the money all the illegal Mexicans here are sending back to their families.

So you see, this is really not very complicated.

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

You know for a damn fact mexico isnt going to fork up to pay a wall all across bottom line of texas.

The fact he said mexico would pay for it is just dumb, and if he thinks we all would want to pay for it thats even more dumb.

Then again that would question on spending in general since half the US is made up of immigrants who made US what it is today...

See above and please comment, if you like.  By the way, it's not just Texas.  Four US states border Mexico.

[RoomBot]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

Wall?

Mexican President says, No WAY JOSE:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/world/mexico-president-fareed-interview/

I got some news for you.  The Mexican president is not in charge of whether the US builds a wall or not.

Of course.  The article states that he won't pay for it.  

He's not in charge of whether Mexico pays for it or not.  All that the US has to do is place a small fee on "Remittances" from the US to Mexico.  That's the money all the illegal Mexicans here are sending back to their families.

So you see, this is really not very complicated.

Not when they discover BITCOIN, yo!

[Steinar]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

[tvbcof]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

You know for a damn fact mexico isnt going to fork up to pay a wall all across bottom line of texas.

The fact he said mexico would pay for it is just dumb, and if he thinks we all would want to pay for it thats even more dumb.

Then again that would question on spending in general since half the US is made up of immigrants who made US what it is today...

Most people seem to have a simplistic conception of 'the wall' as a physical thing.  It's likely to be around 10% physical with the remainder consisting of legal, economic, intelligence, etc.  Mexico would be wise to be a partner in the endeavor so that they might have a chance of taking part in it's ongoing operation.  If they don't, oh well.

I don't believe that I would even give Mexico the opportunity to participate in the wall project at this point.  They could perhaps buy in later when we can charge more and indeed, may actually make a profit.

[virtualx]

Will he really build a wall?

Maybe, but that won't stop immigrants. As a comparison, the UK and France have a sea between but immigrants still get into the UK illegally.

[BADecker]

Will he really build a wall?

Maybe, but that won't stop immigrants. As a comparison, the UK and France have a sea between but immigrants still get into the UK illegally.

The difference is, in Britain, immigrants enter lawfully if not legally. But this is not true in France. Lawfully and legally are the same in France.

In America, if any man or woman calls out any government man or woman in court, the government man or woman must answer lawfully rather than legally. This is called common law, and it came from Great Britain. France doesn't have it.

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1512214.msg15563912#msg15563912.

[Spendulus]

Will he really build a wall?
I read it can be done, it would cost about 8 Billion and could be done in 4 years, the same amount of time he would be in office.
I think he will.

Wall?

Mexican President says, No WAY JOSE:


http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/world/mexico-president-fareed-interview/

I got some news for you.  The Mexican president is not in charge of whether the US builds a wall or not.

Of course.  The article states that he won't pay for it.  

He's not in charge of whether Mexico pays for it or not.  All that the US has to do is place a small fee on "Remittances" from the US to Mexico.  That's the money all the illegal Mexicans here are sending back to their families.

So you see, this is really not very complicated.

Not when they discover BITCOIN, yo!

I almost mentioned that but did not.  The "unexpected consequences" of building the wall and having BTC subvert it would be fascinating.  For this reason alone I have to be totally for building the wall and thus for Trump.

Go Bitcoin!

[valta4065]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

To make everything in your country more expensive?
What's the point?

[BADecker]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

To make everything in your country more expensive?
What's the point?

More money from import/export means less needed from income taxes.

[craked5]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

To make everything in your country more expensive?
What's the point?

More money from import/export means less needed from income taxes.

But it doesn't change the fact that you still pay it xD

It's like if I drop the restaurant menu price by 10% but add those 10% for the service. You pay the same amount even if food is less expensive ^^

[valta4065]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

To make everything in your country more expensive?
What's the point?

More money from import/export means less needed from income taxes.

But in both cases it's the citizen who pays it.
Where I agree is that it's an indirect taxation... But I'm not sure it's better than direct taxation :/

[BADecker]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

To make everything in your country more expensive?
What's the point?

More money from import/export means less needed from income taxes.

But in both cases it's the citizen who pays it.
Where I agree is that it's an indirect taxation... But I'm not sure it's better than direct taxation :/

If we make our own products, there is no import. If government makes export tax too high, we simply don't export. If government wants any money at all, they have to balance the tax so that products can come and go. Government shrinks to the right size.

[vokain]

Trump can put tariffs on goods exported by Mexico to USA.

To make everything in your country more expensive?
What's the point?

More money from import/export means less needed from income taxes.

But in both cases it's the citizen who pays it.
Where I agree is that it's an indirect taxation... But I'm not sure it's better than direct taxation :/

If we make our own products, there is no import. If government makes export tax too high, we simply don't export. If government wants any money at all, they have to balance the tax so that products can come and go. Government shrinks to the right size.

Eh, I might argue that if we make our own products better, then there is no import. The taxes still decrease degrees of freedom