Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A)

[Majestic-milf]

It will not be easy for Motta to immediately improve Juventus' performance because every new coach needs time to adapt and develop the team as he wants.
We can see how Motta's coaching career was last season when he was quite successful with Bologna, it should be a reference for him to be able to do the same with Juventus even though everything needs time for him to process.
I see this realistically and do not have high expectations for Juventus next season, maybe I just hope there are a few changes compared to last season.

For a coach or even a player to perform well and bring out his potentials, time is needed but the question is does Juventus have that luxury? We've seen how they kept rising and falling after those points were deducted from them and I commended their drive but then towards the tail end of the season where they should have clinched second place, they began flopping and had to lose the spot to Milan. Like I said, many will be expecting Motta to wave his magic wand and turn the Old Lady into a club that will stand a chance against Inter Milan this new season and with the influx of new players, maybe they can do better than they have been performing in the friendlies.

[SmartCharpa]

Juventus couldn't beat any team during the friendlies (except their own U23 team  ). From now on I don't see any friendly game, tournament etc. waiting for them. The Serie A starts for them in exactly a week. I'm really curious about what will be changing in Motta era. I won't go harsh on him at the beginning of course. He would need some time to make the team more competitive.

The biggest problem here is that Juventus couldn't apply their plans smoothly in the transfer window. There are some good new signings but that's all. A renovation has been what they needed actually.  

Many people believe that preseason games do not predict how a club will do throughout the season, but I am always worried when a big team fails to win any of its preseason games. Motta has not won any of his preseason games since being appointed as Juventus' new coach, this team didn't sign enough players in this transfer window, and I'm wondering why Motta wanted to let some players leave the club, he did not include some players in his next project, and they want to sell Chiese, one of their best forwards they had last season, but no team is interested for him at the moment. However, Juventus must improve more than they did in the friendly games because Motta will face difficult challenges on his debut. I hope he succeeds in his first season with the club, if not, considering their pre-season performance, Juventus still has a lot of work to do.

[MAAManda]

Juventus couldn't beat any team during the friendlies (except their own U23 team  ). From now on I don't see any friendly game, tournament etc. waiting for them. The Serie A starts for them in exactly a week. I'm really curious about what will be changing in Motta era. I won't go harsh on him at the beginning of course. He would need some time to make the team more competitive.

The biggest problem here is that Juventus couldn't apply their plans smoothly in the transfer window. There are some good new signings but that's all. A renovation has been what they needed actually.  

It was absolutely ridiculous seeing them not being able to beat any team in their friendly matches except when they faced their own team (Juventus NG). Even when they faced Nurnberg, they couldn't score a single goal against Jan Reichert (Nurnberg GK). In the first Serie A match, they will face Como, a promoted team from Serie B. As a team that has a strong legacy in Serie A, I don't think they will lose to Como, especially since this match is Juventus' home match.

[rendravolt]

Today Thiago Motta said after a match against Atletico that he is convinced of the quality & performance of squad and they were improving constantly

Actually, I am very hopeful about Juventus this season. I think finally they will be able to overcome the problems that they had and will be able to start performing well, and consistently. Now I don’t think that success is going to come instantly, they will have to work really hard. I mean finishing in the top 4 positions is already going to be very hard for them. And if Thiago Motta actually wants to compete for the title, that is going to be extra hard. Yes at the start of the season, you can't expect they are not going to bring in consistent results. Because we have to remember that they are going to play under a new coach. And it will take time for them to actually get used to with the new tactics of Thiago Motta. So I will say I am hopeful and I am expecting them to bring in consistent results after a few matches.

Source: https://www.juventus.com/en/news/articles/atletico-madrid-juventus-thiago-motta-s-thoughts

First, don't make it too much of a benchmark for a pre-season match and overall I think Juventus can still do well and it's only a matter of time that can answer it. The defeat against Atletico certainly gave Thiago Motta enough homework to be completed immediately and he could at least evaluate the performance of his players to determine which ones are good and which ones are not.

More expectations will certainly always be desired, especially for La Vechia Signora fans because they have experienced a dark period for the past few years and it is hoped that this can be redeemed with their promising performance next season. I know that adaptation is one of the keys to success but here Thiago Motta is not a beginner because last season he brought Bologna to the top 4 with a makeshift squad. Now at Juventus whatever is needed will certainly be fully supported by the club and this is just waiting for the proof.

[Altryist]

For a coach or even a player to perform well and bring out his potentials, time is needed but the question is does Juventus have that luxury? We've seen how they kept rising and falling after those points were deducted from them and I commended their drive but then towards the tail end of the season where they should have clinched second place, they began flopping and had to lose the spot to Milan. Like I said, many will be expecting Motta to wave his magic wand and turn the Old Lady into a club that will stand a chance against Inter Milan this new season and with the influx of new players, maybe they can do better than they have been performing in the friendlies.

I still have a lot of doubts about the competitiveness of Juventus' attack, why doesn't Motta pay attention to this? I don't think Motta is ready to manage a club like Juventus and I don't expect them to be able to compete with Inter, in fact I think the Champions League zone was already a good result for Juventus, so far even Roma seems more ready for the new season than Juventus. They already fired Alegre before and after that Juventus lost everything they had.

[Zlantann]

Many people believe that preseason games do not predict how a club will do throughout the season, but I am always worried when a big team fails to win any of its preseason games. Motta has not won any of his preseason games since being appointed as Juventus' new coach, this team didn't sign enough players in this transfer window, and I'm wondering why Motta wanted to let some players leave the club, he did not include some players in his next project, and they want to sell Chiese, one of their best forwards they had last season, but no team is interested for him at the moment. However, Juventus must improve more than they did in the friendly games because Motta will face difficult challenges on his debut. I hope he succeeds in his first season with the club, if not, considering their pre-season performance, Juventus still has a lot of work to do.

The Old Lady lost against Atletico Madrid and Nurnberg and drew against Brest. The loss against Atletico Madrid is justifiable since the Spanish side is a force in Europe, but their performance in the two other games is questionable. Pre-season might not be a good determinant of how good a team is since players are always playing cautiously to avoid injuries but Thiago Motta has much work to do. Juventus have not done much in the transfer market but they are in talks with other clubs to bring in some players. Pierre Kalulu has been linked to Juventus with the club willing to pay €3.5 to Milan for the season with the prospect of signing a permanent deal worth  €14m plus €3m other fees. Fiorentina winger Nicolás González is also on the radar of Juventus, and they are making preparations for a bid for the experienced player.

[Richbased]

Compare results achieved by Mourinho and De Rossi, it's unfair to sack Mourinho and hired De Rossi then end the last season with worse result than with Mourinho in two season ago. In money spent for transfers, it's more unfair between Mourinho and De Rossi.

I really don't know what's happening in Roma recent months and why they decided to take risk and spend too much money for transfers like this. In the last months of past season, there was rumor that they considered to sell their captain player for finance improvement. Now, in this summer, things changed considerably and they did not sell players to get money but actually have net positive transfers with many big transfers.

While I agree that De Rossi started awesome, but he did not finish well. If you check his first 10 games at Roma, you will think that De Rossi was a much better manager at Roma than what Mourinho did, it looked like they were going great and then they started to be even worse, so the return became not that great.

This of course is not something that we should be all expecting De Rossi to do bad or good this season, just wait and see. Mourinho was fine, but Roma basically said if they are going to pay that much for a manager, that manager might as well take them to UCL or at least somewhere decent, and Roma did terribly at the league with Mourinho, yes they won conference and finalist at Europa, but both years sucked at league, which meant not so good for them.

Actually when Daniele De Rossi became Roma's manager he was initially doing well for the club of which most football analyst were applauding his managerial experience than that of Jose Mourinho but at some point he loss focus and Roma Began to underperform.

Jose Mourinho was doing bad for Roma as at the time Daniele De Rossi was hired and the club's management just feel they are paying Jose Mourinho too high when they can't even get to the Champions League but the club should have understood that before they can reach the Champions League it will requires them to make some sacrifices and and even though Jose Mourinho didn't achieve more for the club but they should have given him some consideration for winning the Europa conference league after going 14 years without a trophy and I believe that had it been Jose Mourinho was left to continue he would probably take the club to the Champions League.

Of a truth Roma did terribly under Jose Mourinho because as at the time of his departure the club was not doing fine i could remember.  For Daniele De Rossi he needs to be more focused this season so that he can possibly take Roma to the Champions League.

[hahay]

For a coach or even a player to perform well and bring out his potentials, time is needed but the question is does Juventus have that luxury? We've seen how they kept rising and falling after those points were deducted from them and I commended their drive but then towards the tail end of the season where they should have clinched second place, they began flopping and had to lose the spot to Milan. Like I said, many will be expecting Motta to wave his magic wand and turn the Old Lady into a club that will stand a chance against Inter Milan this new season and with the influx of new players, maybe they can do better than they have been performing in the friendlies.

I still have a lot of doubts about the competitiveness of Juventus' attack, why doesn't Motta pay attention to this? I don't think Motta is ready to manage a club like Juventus and I don't expect them to be able to compete with Inter, in fact I think the Champions League zone was already a good result for Juventus, so far even Roma seems more ready for the new season than Juventus. They already fired Alegre before and after that Juventus lost everything they had.

When the coach succeeds in the previous team which is still related to the mediocre that was successfully improved, the reality is still not a guarantee for the coach to be able to improve the performance of the team which is basically a top team. With such a case, then of course there is still no guarantee for Motta to be able to successfully make Juventus have a good performance in the next season. But even so, of course there will always be hope for new coaches to get better in teams that have better finances and squads too.

Indeed, I'm not entirely sure about Motta next season with Juventus, but basically Motta should be able to provide good results for Juventus. But if for example Juventus still fails, then I personally no longer understand what problems Juventus are experiencing to always fail despite having a squad and coach that looks good.

[bastisisca]

While I agree that De Rossi started awesome, but he did not finish well. If you check his first 10 games at Roma, you will think that De Rossi was a much better manager at Roma than what Mourinho did, it looked like they were going great and then they started to be even worse, so the return became not that great.

This of course is not something that we should be all expecting De Rossi to do bad or good this season, just wait and see. Mourinho was fine, but Roma basically said if they are going to pay that much for a manager, that manager might as well take them to UCL or at least somewhere decent, and Roma did terribly at the league with Mourinho, yes they won conference and finalist at Europa, but both years sucked at league, which meant not so good for them.

Among other things they didn't manage to keep Romero Lukaku, now Roma had to fall back on another striker, unfortunately he lacks let's say a little bit of being political. He certainly has great possibilities, sending Mourinho away like that wasn't nice after the things he had done. Mourinho had rejected the Saudi league for Roma.

[Majestic-milf]

For a coach or even a player to perform well and bring out his potentials, time is needed but the question is does Juventus have that luxury? We've seen how they kept rising and falling after those points were deducted from them and I commended their drive but then towards the tail end of the season where they should have clinched second place, they began flopping and had to lose the spot to Milan. Like I said, many will be expecting Motta to wave his magic wand and turn the Old Lady into a club that will stand a chance against Inter Milan this new season and with the influx of new players, maybe they can do better than they have been performing in the friendlies.

I still have a lot of doubts about the competitiveness of Juventus' attack, why doesn't Motta pay attention to this? I don't think Motta is ready to manage a club like Juventus and I don't expect them to be able to compete with Inter, in fact I think the Champions League zone was already a good result for Juventus, so far even Roma seems more ready for the new season than Juventus. They already fired Alegre before and after that Juventus lost everything they had.

I quite agree that more attackers needs to be added to the team as it looks like these ones are not really doing the job. They've got Yildiz, Milik, Chiesa and even Vlahovic in their squad and if Motta is thinking about making do with these guys, then I believe there will be issues because when the bulk of the job of clinical finishing is left only to Vlahovic, it will be burdensome and he's not the type of player to go for the ball, but rather prefers that it be served him else he has nothing to contribute.
 Motta is confident this season will be different and I'm also waiting and hoping as well. Maybe he's got something up his sleeves that he'd unveil when season starts.

[giammangiato]

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Today Thiago Motta said after a match against Atletico that he is convinced of the quality & performance of squad and they were improving constantly
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Look, I'm also seeing constant improvements and I'm happy, I really hope that these constant improvements will lead us to have a more competitive team both in Serie A and in the Champions League, I really want to see some good games played by my favorite team.

And i think Thiago Motta can achieve this.

[Palakka]

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Today Thiago Motta said after a match against Atletico that he is convinced of the quality & performance of squad and they were improving constantly
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Look, I'm also seeing constant improvements and I'm happy, I really hope that these constant improvements will lead us to have a more competitive team both in Serie A and in the Champions League, I really want to see some good games played by my favorite team.

And i think Thiago Motta can achieve this.

Juventus have had bad results in several of their friendly matches, including being defeated by Atletico Madrid, this defeat may have raised a lot of doubts from their current fans about Juventus performance, but what Motta said should dispel any doubts that currently exist among Juventus fans, Juventus is in a transition period and defeat in pre-season should not make us doubt the capacity that Juventus has for next season, especially so far the squad owned by Juventus is not perfect and there will still be improvements made later in the transfer market.

If we look at pre-season matches, of course we can't see the final results of the match as a reference, but from these matches we should be able to see how the coach can improve his team performance and also make the players cohesiveness better, Apart from that, I think Motta is currently looking for a the right framework team for him to rely on next season.

[Jatiluhung]

Actually when Daniele De Rossi became Roma's manager he was initially doing well for the club of which most football analyst were applauding his managerial experience than that of Jose Mourinho but at some point he loss focus and Roma Began to underperform.

Jose Mourinho was doing bad for Roma as at the time Daniele De Rossi was hired and the club's management just feel they are paying Jose Mourinho too high when they can't even get to the Champions League but the club should have understood that before they can reach the Champions League it will requires them to make some sacrifices and and even though Jose Mourinho didn't achieve more for the club but they should have given him some consideration for winning the Europa conference league after going 14 years without a trophy and I believe that had it been Jose Mourinho was left to continue he would probably take the club to the Champions League.

Of a truth Roma did terribly under Jose Mourinho because as at the time of his departure the club was not doing fine i could remember.  For Daniele De Rossi he needs to be more focused this season so that he can possibly take Roma to the Champions League.

In Jose Mourinho's last season at Roma, things got worse. But in the season before that, Jose Mourinho also made Roma stronger. And Roma was even able to reach the European league final. after previously winning the title in the European Conference League. But the brave decision taken by the Roma club to replace Jose Mourinho with De Rossi also deserves appreciation. And I am sure that initially the Roma club will not hire De Rossi for the next season. Which indicates that initially the club only brought in De Rossi to fill a temporary void. But the results were unexpected and De Rossi proved that he could be a reliable coach. So in the end De Rossi got his contract extension there. And yes, at one point De Rossi also lost focus and that happened at the end of last season. But fortunately this didn't happen for a long time. And Roma can return to their best performance.

This season will be a real test for De Rossi. And yeah it's going to be a long season for De Rossi. Because in this season he was responsible from the start for re-forming the Roma squad. Meanwhile, last season he only continued Mourinho's work.

[RaltcoinsB]

While I agree that De Rossi started awesome, but he did not finish well. If you check his first 10 games at Roma, you will think that De Rossi was a much better manager at Roma than what Mourinho did, it looked like they were going great and then they started to be even worse, so the return became not that great.

This of course is not something that we should be all expecting De Rossi to do bad or good this season, just wait and see. Mourinho was fine, but Roma basically said if they are going to pay that much for a manager, that manager might as well take them to UCL or at least somewhere decent, and Roma did terribly at the league with Mourinho, yes they won conference and finalist at Europa, but both years sucked at league, which meant not so good for them.

Among other things they didn't manage to keep Romero Lukaku, now Roma had to fall back on another striker, unfortunately he lacks let's say a little bit of being political. He certainly has great possibilities, sending Mourinho away like that wasn't nice after the things he had done. Mourinho had rejected the Saudi league for Roma.

After leaving Roma, he didn't go to the Saudi league, but Mourinho. If he really wanted to, he would probably be managing a team in the Saudi league now. I don't think he wants to leave Europe. I don't think money is a priority for him. Also, they didn't sign Lukaku, but Dovbyk came and I think he is a striker who can do good things. His presence is more important for Roma than Lukaku.

[Richbased]

Actually when Daniele De Rossi became Roma's manager he was initially doing well for the club of which most football analyst were applauding his managerial experience than that of Jose Mourinho but at some point he loss focus and Roma Began to underperform.

Jose Mourinho was doing bad for Roma as at the time Daniele De Rossi was hired and the club's management just feel they are paying Jose Mourinho too high when they can't even get to the Champions League but the club should have understood that before they can reach the Champions League it will requires them to make some sacrifices and and even though Jose Mourinho didn't achieve more for the club but they should have given him some consideration for winning the Europa conference league after going 14 years without a trophy and I believe that had it been Jose Mourinho was left to continue he would probably take the club to the Champions League.

Of a truth Roma did terribly under Jose Mourinho because as at the time of his departure the club was not doing fine i could remember.  For Daniele De Rossi he needs to be more focused this season so that he can possibly take Roma to the Champions League.

In Jose Mourinho's last season at Roma, things got worse. But in the season before that, Jose Mourinho also made Roma stronger. And Roma was even able to reach the European league final. after previously winning the title in the European Conference League. But the brave decision taken by the Roma club to replace Jose Mourinho with De Rossi also deserves appreciation. And I am sure that initially the Roma club will not hire De Rossi for the next season. Which indicates that initially the club only brought in De Rossi to fill a temporary void. But the results were unexpected and De Rossi proved that he could be a reliable coach. So in the end De Rossi got his contract extension there. And yes, at one point De Rossi also lost focus and that happened at the end of last season. But fortunately this didn't happen for a long time. And Roma can return to their best performance.

This season will be a real test for De Rossi. And yeah it's going to be a long season for De Rossi. Because in this season he was responsible from the start for re-forming the Roma squad. Meanwhile, last season he only continued Mourinho's work.

I understand that Daniele De Rossi hasn't spent much time at Roma for us to be able to analyze his performance for the club but until he wins a trophy for Roma and also maintains a good form for the team then we can rate between him and Jose Mourinho who did better for Roma because regardless of the fact that Mourinho didn't do much better for Roma but breaking a 14 years old history for the club by winning a trophy for them is a very remarkable achievement for Roma so Daniele De Rossi needs to show himself this coming season now that he will be fully in charge of the team from the beginning and not like last season when he inherited the team from Jose Mourinho however, there is this confidence that comes along with a coach starting the season for a club and i assume De Rossi will maintain such confidence but that will be until the season starts and he is able to prove himself for the team.

[alastantiger]

If we look at pre-season matches, of course we can't see the final results of the match as a reference, but from these matches we should be able to see how the coach can improve his team performance and also make the players cohesiveness better, Apart from that, I think Motta is currently looking for a the right framework team for him to rely on next season.

Judging from the two last friendly, I don't think juventus has improved, they just played two different teams with different playing patterns hence the coach thought that his players have improved. I didn't see the match but looking at the statistics of both games I can say juventus are still concentrating on a possession football but not attacking enough because their shot on targets is dropping but their possessions control is increasing. The coach has to focus his attention on the team attacking more often than they hold the ball. When you have possessions but you don't win the game, the whole possession control was a waste because at the end of the game, what matters is who is going home with the 3 points and not which team played the better football. Juventus created lass shot on target against Atletico Madrid hence they they don't do well against teams that have a strong defence.

[$anounimus$]

I understand that Daniele De Rossi hasn't spent much time at Roma for us to be able to analyze his performance for the club but until he wins a trophy for Roma and also maintains a good form for the team then we can rate between him and Jose Mourinho who did better for Roma because regardless of the fact that Mourinho didn't do much better for Roma but breaking a 14 years old history for the club by winning a trophy for them is a very remarkable achievement for Roma so Daniele De Rossi needs to show himself this coming season now that he will be fully in charge of the team from the beginning and not like last season when he inherited the team from Jose Mourinho however, there is this confidence that comes along with a coach starting the season for a club and i assume De Rossi will maintain such confidence but that will be until the season starts and he is able to prove himself for the team.

I think Roma will remain stagnant under De Rossi and expectations are no better when the team is managed by Jose Mourinho. So what do fans expect other than winning trophies of course not, all fans really want their team to win trophies as proof of success in the competition.

This season De Rossi will control the team fully from the start, but sorry I feel pessimistic about his performance. And it is very possible that the most realistic target he can get is only up to 5th place and or worse than that. In addition, Roma management also does not dare to spend a lot of money to recruit several players who have a high level so it is difficult for anyone to make this team develop.

[Hirose UK]

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Intermilan previously had pre-season matches with consecutive wins, but before the pre-season match was about to end, Intermilan's performance dropped drastically and from the last three pre-season matches they were not able to get a single win, but in my opinion this will not change my view on Intermilan for next season,  as the team that won the Scudetto last season of course Intermilan has a big chance of being able to defend the title, especially now that they have made many changes to their squad by throwing away many players who did not contribute last season and bringing in several new players, In my opinion, Inzaghi will definitely be able to make Intermilan repeat their achievements last season in Serie A.

There is good news for Inter Milan fans at the moment, namely that their mainstay striker  has extended his contract after a lot of speculation continues to surround him at the moment, Lautaro Martinez has been an important player for them all this time and they are very lucky to be able to keep him until 2029 later with a salary increase of around 9 million euros per year plus 2 million euros as an additional bonus.



Source: https://twitter.com/Inter/status/1823027283780616664?t=9FdQZxWVaKzRJaQpEpk9mw&s=19

Indeed, previously Inter Milan were still able to show good performance during the start of the pre-season match and they got some satisfying wins, but on the other hand, Inter Milan decline after entering the end of the pre-season was also quite clear.
Whether this is because they want to be careful and prepare themselves only for the real competition or how we don't know, what is clear is that if that is the case, the hope is to see them perform optimally in starting the new season.

This is good news because previously there was lot of talk that Lautaro Martinez was interested in several other big team, but in reality he decided to stay and become core player for Inter Milan for longer time.
Moreover, staying is the right decision for Lautaro Martinez because Inter Milan itself is big and strong team, they have the opportunity to win the Serie-A title again or even compete for the UCL title.

[dzungmobile]

Actually when Daniele De Rossi became Roma's manager he was initially doing well for the club of which most football analyst were applauding his managerial experience than that of Jose Mourinho

De Rossi helped Roma to play more attacking, show more beauty football that matches with Roma's traditional style but in football, club need titles, not impressive performances without titles. I agree that De Rossi as a young coach, already shown his ability very well with Roma. If he can do better, Roma will have good chance to win titles with him and with good transfer budget spent in this summer, De Rossi will have a better team for a new season.

Jose Mourinho was doing bad for Roma as at the time Daniele De Rossi was hired and the club's management just feel they are paying Jose Mourinho too high when they can't even get to the Champions League

AS Roma actually did not have too bad result when they decided to fire Jose. It's just Jose gone through a tourmalet with many big matches with not good results. De Rossi got a long honey moon with Roma against non big teams but in late of season, when Roma played against big teams in Serie A, we saw what happened.

At the end, Roma ended Serie A without a good position to go to Champions League, it's nothing better than what Jose did.

[klidex]

For a coach or even a player to perform well and bring out his potentials, time is needed but the question is does Juventus have that luxury? We've seen how they kept rising and falling after those points were deducted from them and I commended their drive but then towards the tail end of the season where they should have clinched second place, they began flopping and had to lose the spot to Milan. Like I said, many will be expecting Motta to wave his magic wand and turn the Old Lady into a club that will stand a chance against Inter Milan this new season and with the influx of new players, maybe they can do better than they have been performing in the friendlies.

I still have a lot of doubts about the competitiveness of Juventus' attack, why doesn't Motta pay attention to this? I don't think Motta is ready to manage a club like Juventus and I don't expect them to be able to compete with Inter, in fact I think the Champions League zone was already a good result for Juventus, so far even Roma seems more ready for the new season than Juventus. They already fired Alegre before and after that Juventus lost everything they had.

Yes you are right Juventus last season had problems in their attack line and and looks blunt, I thought Juventus would make improvements in that section but it turned out Thiago Motta only recruited 2 central midfielders which I think is not really needed, Juventus needs a productive striker if they want to compete with Inter Milan and Milan at the top of the standings if they haven't fixed that don't expect them to be able to achieve better results than before.

Actually Thiago Motta seems to be spoiled by Juventus management in terms of player purchases but for some reason he not recruit a striker. He should have been able to recruit just 1 central midfielder like Douglas Luiz after that he could use him to find a striker to replace Dusan Vlahovic but Thiago Motta instead bought Khéphren Thuram