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October 19, 2012, 03:57:21 PM
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You are asking people to keep BTC that is not theirs.
They must give back the coins ASAP anything else is criminal and scamming. Shame on Theymos for suggesting such immoral actions.


Welcome to bitcoin.

Sent to address I control = mine. Period.

Need chargebacks, pay with creditcards.

If an agreement for my holding someone elses coin is in place, or I am to provide some value for an investment, etc - and failed to come through, sure I should be ostracized by the community.

But to say that keeping coins that magically appeared one night on my address with absolutely no agreement in place regarding the transaction, are not mine, is laughable.


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On a side thought: Nef has not given anyone asset info / csv - how are people who do not read this thread, and who got a large payment, to know that the extra payment wasn't from dividends / sales or somesuch.


Theymos has in the past gave a guy a scammers tag for keeping BTC that he knew was not his. Theymos is asking everyone here to take a scammers tag!



I would be demanding my .csv and other details before giving the coins back  Smiley

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October 19, 2012, 04:18:26 PM
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No, because Nefario can go to the police now esp if he has AML docs on these people. When the police knock on the door and say where are the funds saying Theymos said to keep them is not going to fly. Saying they sent then to someone else will not fly.

They must give back the coins ASAP anything else is criminal and scamming. Shame on Theymos for suggesting such immoral actions.

Sorry but when you send someone money through wire and accidentally changed a number... you wont get back the money. You sent it and it wasnt stolen. Its moral to give it back but the bank wont charge it back or something. Only when its stolen.

He DID repay asset issuers their Bitcoins.
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As for people suggesting to keep the overpayment as ransom until asset information is disclosed, I think that's exactly why asset information is not disclosed. He needs to process payments first before giving the address to issuers and issuers giving payments, otherwise it would get confusing if something is a payment from GLBSE or from an issuer.

What? Asset issuers got their bitcoins back? I think at least for asicminer, who hadnt a small amount there, its not true. Asicminer didnt get an answer at all from nef till now.

Regarding the asset information... its not correct to held these informations hostage. Im not guilty for not paying any fee to nef from my bitcoins(i didnt got all) and i cant do anything regarding the missing ceo-payment. So no, its not correct what he is doing here.

By the way... its not necessary that nef cant give out the asset infos as long as he didnt paid out all btc because he can send an email stating what he paid. So there shouldnt be a misunderstanding. And that you now say that we only get the asset info after all payments are paid, and that includes the doublepayment is paid back, that would mean i would never get the asset info. Because there will always be someone dont paying back. And no i cant do anything again here but dont get the asset info because of that?

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October 19, 2012, 04:19:11 PM
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But to say that keeping coins that magically appeared one night on my address with absolutely no agreement in place regarding the transaction, are not mine, is laughable.

Magically appeared? You know who sent it, you know that it was a mistake and you know how to return it.

If someone accidentally left a wallet in your house and then knocked on your door asking to get it back, would you do the same? "Oh, you mean this wallet that magically appeared on my living room table? Well, we didn't have an agreement regarding that so I think I'll keep it. Thanks!"

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October 19, 2012, 04:37:43 PM
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If someone accidentally left a wallet in your house and then knocked on your door asking to get it back, would you do the same?

Maybe I would do much more, if that someone is keeping hostage 300X that amount of my property.
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October 19, 2012, 04:39:01 PM
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Ohh, come on people. There is nothing to discuss here about returning the funds or not.

They are not ours, keeping them is more or less stealing, period.

And also you are probably not keeping Nefarios funds, but Money that is needed to pay out the people that haven't got a payout, yet.

So everyone that is at least a bit honest should return the funds.

I haven't returned them yet, but all I want is (1) to get clarification on the 10% issue.
 - I could just return -10%, but that might ruin Nefarios payout script, when he returns the 10% to the other accounts.

(2) To now if and how he checks which accounts have returned the double payment, as I fear that he will hold the double paid accounts Stock hostage until funds have been returned and I don't want to end up having to proof that I have returned them, with having virtually no way to contact him.

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October 19, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
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Nefario:

Don't go for the triple face palmin' summersault clusterfuck when you decide to take care of the assets.

Pretty please.
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October 19, 2012, 04:50:22 PM
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So, for anyone reading this who has gotten a double payment, the return address is 1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j

It would be better to return the coins without me having to chase you for them.

About a month ago, the cashier at a restaurant I used to frequent regularly gave me $5 USD too much in change. I immediately bought the mistake to her attention, returning the fin because I like the establishment. Three days later, a cashier at KFC returned to me change which included an extra $10 USD. I nonchalantly pocketed the sawbuck and left the premises. Fuck them nefarious bastards who kill chickens, use some kind of secret herb and spices, have me pre-order, then make me wait in line for my meal.

I have no fear of some KFC guy chasing me down to have me return ten bucks. In fact, if it were a hundred dollar mistake, I still wouldn't have a concern. And they're a global entity. I've even returned to the same franchise--twice--taunting them to ask me to return the money, but they have yet to take the bait. I'm willing to bet that they know, that I know, that they know something's afoot, but can put a chicken finger on it.

Bottomline, Nefario, kindly ask for the overpayments to be returned, thanking all those who comply. The funds you don't get returned, eat it, continuing to refund those waiting, otherwise the chaser may become the chasee.

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October 19, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
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Ohh, come on people. There is nothing to discuss here about returning the funds or not.

They are not ours, keeping them is more or less stealing, period.

And also you are probably not keeping Nefarios funds, but Money that is needed to pay out the people that haven't got a payout, yet.

So everyone that is at least a bit honest should return the funds.

I haven't returned them yet, but all I want is (1) to get clarification on the 10% issue.
 - I could just return -10%, but that might ruin Nefarios payout script, when he returns the 10% to the other accounts.

(2) To now if and how he checks which accounts have returned the double payment, as I fear that he will hold the double paid accounts Stock hostage until funds have been returned and I don't want to end up having to proof that I have returned them, with having virtually no way to contact him.

Of course keep the amount Nefario owes you and send back the rest.  For all you know the script was meant to send you the remaining 10% but instead just redid the last payment amount.

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October 19, 2012, 05:44:13 PM
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If someone accidentally left a wallet in your house and then knocked on your door asking to get it back, would you do the same?

Maybe I would do much more, if that someone is keeping hostage 300X that amount of my property.

Sure. What I objected to was the general argument that something is rightfully yours just becaused it ended up in your Bitcoin address.

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October 19, 2012, 06:42:11 PM
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I would rather send him the coins back cause he may refuse to give you list of your assets (+ codes or whatever) afterwards.
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October 19, 2012, 06:49:17 PM
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So, for anyone reading this who has gotten a double payment, the return address is 1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j

It would be better to return the coins without me having to chase you for them.

This is unacceptable. I received a duplicate payment, a trivial amount, and I will return it. But not based on a forum post, and not to a common BTC address. Please send an email to the email address that was submitted for claims, with an individual BTC return address for each account, so that I can prove that I returned the excess coins. Statements of how much BTC and assets I actually held at GLBSE would be nice too.

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October 19, 2012, 07:02:47 PM
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I would rather send him the coins back cause he may refuse to give you list of your assets (+ codes or whatever) afterwards.

How do you know that Nefario is still even using his bitcointalk account?  How do you know someone did not hack his account?

Give him the excess coins after he returns your assets and sends an actual email out.  That would prove it is him.

Also, how do we know the database is even intact?  It took less than a thought to delist all of Goats assets and send him claim codes.  If Nefario can run the payment script twice he is just as likely to 'accidentally' delete the database.  You really want someone that flushed away 1,000 BTC in 10 minutes to play around with the database well more than 1,000BTC?

Why would he 'accidentally' erase the database?  People might be able to come after him for lost bitcoins, but they can't come after him for the assets, especially unregistered, unregulated assets denominated in something not considered money.  Nefario is the only one with the evidence.  This whole claims process should have been done by someone else at BitcoinGlobal since Nefario pisses his pants when he even imagines a government regulator.

He could have easily sent the assets back first, then the bitcoins.

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October 19, 2012, 07:03:50 PM
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So, for anyone reading this who has gotten a double payment, the return address is 1BgPRMk4uaJrohM1T9Cn4Hd9pHaEL6FH5j

It would be better to return the coins without me having to chase you for them.

A thief asking to return his stolen money is like asking for "fucking respect".

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October 19, 2012, 07:13:45 PM
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sent back the coins, coz of my policy "follow truth".

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October 19, 2012, 07:29:16 PM
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I haven't received a mail nor my coins, even though I submitted a claim as soon as the claim site went live. Anyone else with the same problem?

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October 19, 2012, 07:36:37 PM
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I haven't received a mail nor my coins, even though I submitted a claim as soon as the claim site went live. Anyone else with the same problem?

I just got an email saying my bitcoins were processed, no coins

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October 19, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
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Of course keep the amount Nefario owes you and send back the rest.  For all you know the script was meant to send you the remaining 10% but instead just redid the last payment amount.

Is that sure? Because i didnt get my payment again. So that means nefario took some of my coins as a fee or what? If not i should have gotten the doublepayment. So where did i say yes to this fee?

Why would he 'accidentally' erase the database?  People might be able to come after him for lost bitcoins, but they can't come after him for the assets, especially unregistered, unregulated assets denominated in something not considered money.  Nefario is the only one with the evidence.  This whole claims process should have been done by someone else at BitcoinGlobal since Nefario pisses his pants when he even imagines a government regulator.

If such "accident" or anything happens to the database no one would believe it. Backups are common sense especially for websites handling money.
If this happens it would be clear why. And i fear the anger of people could be enough for him to fear for his life. I mean even now there is so much anger. How will it be when its clear he killed the database? I will not imagine.

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October 19, 2012, 07:49:36 PM
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Is there a list of double pay transactions somewhere?

I had most of my coins invested in shares and received a <1 BTC transaction that was my recent dividends from before the shutdown.

Even though it is a small amount I would like to return this if it was double payed, but I really have no clue what my balance was at shutdown.
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Is there a list of double pay transactions somewhere?

I had most of my coins invested in shares and received a <1 BTC transaction that was my recent dividends from before the shutdown.

Even though it is a small amount I would like to return this if it was double payed, but I really have no clue what my balance was at shutdown.

If there was a double payment I am sure Nefario will 'chase you down'.

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Is there a list of double pay transactions somewhere?

I had most of my coins invested in shares and received a <1 BTC transaction that was my recent dividends from before the shutdown.

Even though it is a small amount I would like to return this if it was double payed, but I really have no clue what my balance was at shutdown.

If there was a double payment I am sure Nefario will 'chase you down'.

Haha yeah...not really all that worried about it.  Plus if someone claims I got double payed, where is the proof?  This thing has not been handled very well.



I mean i haven't been bitching too much since I should have been keeping track better myself of my own accounts, but double payments aside it would have been nice to get your account balance, current assests,  etc. when you login to glbse to make the claim.

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