CryptoNote technical discussion and Chess Challenge

[languagehasmeaning]

I thought this was an informative post about CryptoNote block sizes and block subsidies
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/389pq6/elastic_block_cap_with_rollover_penalties_my/crts1do

quote from cloud10again:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3ypd46/please_help_with_user_guides_and_other/cyftd1w

Note that the way it's written is somewhat confusing, and the last 2 needs to be superscript.

Here's my attempt (assuming I'm understanding it right):

Reward = baseReward - baseReward * (currentSize / medianLast100 - 1)2

As bitcoin continues to struggle with scaling I hope more people notice the solutions already built into CryptoNote coins.  The tail emission for Monero is another positive that will likely prove very hard for bitcoin to implement.

[boolberry]

1 vote Rcc3 (languagehasmeaning)
2 votes Rg8 (boolberry,tifozi)

I looked at the position more today and am changing my vote to Rcc3

2 votes Rcc3 (languagehasmeaning, boolberry)
1 votes Rg8 (tifozi)

[boolberry]

Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Boolberry has chosen to play Rcc3. Now it is time for Team Monero to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.

Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
white to move



Game PGN:

Code:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 a6 5.c4 Nc6 6.Qe3 g6 7.Nc3 Bg7 8.Be2 Nf6 9.O-O O-O 10.h3 Nd7 11.b3 Nc5 12.Bb2 f5 13.exf5 Bxf5 14.Rad1 Qa5 15.Rd2 Rf6 16.Nd5 Re6 17.Qf4 Ne4 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Rb2 Nc3 20.Nd4 Re5 21.Bf3 Nxd5 22.Bxd5 Qc3 23.Nxf5+ Rxf5 24.Qd2 Qxd2 25.Rxd2 Rb8 26.a3 e5 27.Be6 Rf6 28.Bd5 Nd4 29.b4 b6 30.Rb2 g5 31.a4 Rff8 32.Rfb1 Rfc8 33.f3 Kf6 34.g3 Rc7 35.Rf1 Nf5 36.Kf2 h5 37.Rd1 Rg7 38.Be4 Nd4 39.Rg1 Rf8 40.Ke3 Rc7 41.Bd5 b5 42.cxb5 axb5 43.a5 Rc3+ 44.Kd2 Rfc8 45.Rf1 Ra3 46.h4 gxh4 47.gxh4 Kf5 48.Bb7 Rcc3

[ArticMine]

49. a6

[ArticMine]

I thought this was an informative post about CryptoNote block sizes and block subsidies
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/389pq6/elastic_block_cap_with_rollover_penalties_my/crts1do

quote from cloud10again:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3ypd46/please_help_with_user_guides_and_other/cyftd1w

Note that the way it's written is somewhat confusing, and the last 2 needs to be superscript.

Here's my attempt (assuming I'm understanding it right):

Reward = baseReward - baseReward * (currentSize / medianLast100 - 1)2

As bitcoin continues to struggle with scaling I hope more people notice the solutions already built into CryptoNote coins.  The tail emission for Monero is another positive that will likely prove very hard for bitcoin to implement.

The blocksize scaling solution in Monero requires a tail emission otherwise when the emission becomes minimal or zero there is no penalty and no cost to increase the blocksize. This makes the Monero solution to this issue a non starter in Bitcoin. 

[XMRpromotions]

49. a6

I prefer Be4+ followed by Ra2

49. a6 (ArticMine)
49. Be4+ (XMRpromotions)

[LucyLovesCrypto]

49. a6

I prefer Be4+ followed by Ra2

49. a6 (ArticMine)
49. Be4+ (XMRpromotions)

49. a6 (ArticMine, LucyLovesCrypto)
49. Be4+ (XMRpromotions)

[tifozi]

1 vote Rcc3 (languagehasmeaning)
2 votes Rg8 (boolberry,tifozi)

I looked at the position more today and am changing my vote to Rcc3

2 votes Rcc3 (languagehasmeaning, boolberry)
1 votes Rg8 (tifozi)

Wish you hadn't changed 

[boolberry]

Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Monero has chosen to play a6. Now it is time for Team Boolberry to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.

Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
black to move



Game PGN:

Code:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 a6 5.c4 Nc6 6.Qe3 g6 7.Nc3 Bg7 8.Be2 Nf6 9.O-O O-O 10.h3 Nd7 11.b3 Nc5 12.Bb2 f5 13.exf5 Bxf5 14.Rad1 Qa5 15.Rd2 Rf6 16.Nd5 Re6 17.Qf4 Ne4 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Rb2 Nc3 20.Nd4 Re5 21.Bf3 Nxd5 22.Bxd5 Qc3 23.Nxf5+ Rxf5 24.Qd2 Qxd2 25.Rxd2 Rb8 26.a3 e5 27.Be6 Rf6 28.Bd5 Nd4 29.b4 b6 30.Rb2 g5 31.a4 Rff8 32.Rfb1 Rfc8 33.f3 Kf6 34.g3 Rc7 35.Rf1 Nf5 36.Kf2 h5 37.Rd1 Rg7 38.Be4 Nd4 39.Rg1 Rf8 40.Ke3 Rc7 41.Bd5 b5 42.cxb5 axb5 43.a5 Rc3+ 44.Kd2 Rfc8 45.Rf1 Ra3 46.h4 gxh4 47.gxh4 Kf5 48.Bb7 Rcc3 49.a6

[boolberry]

1 vote Rcc3 (languagehasmeaning)
2 votes Rg8 (boolberry,tifozi)

I looked at the position more today and am changing my vote to Rcc3

2 votes Rcc3 (languagehasmeaning, boolberry)
1 votes Rg8 (tifozi)

Wish you hadn't changed 

Why? If we had played Rg8 white could try to defend against our Rg2+ threat with Ke1. Now we can play Re3 cutting off the king while making a similar threat (Re2+). Our attack looks very strong now.

1 vote Re3 (boolberry)

[tifozi]

We just missed a mate in 5 which is what I thought you had calculated too until you changed ...

49.... Rg2+ 50.Rf2 Rxf2+ 51.Ke1 Rxb2 52.Be4+ Kf4 53.Bb1 Ra1 54.a7 Raxb1#


2 votes Re3 (boolberry, tifozi)

[boolberry]

We just missed a mate in 5 which is what I thought you had calculated too until you changed ...
49.... Rg2+ 50.Rf2 Rxf2+ 51.Ke1 Rxb2 52.Be4+ Kf4 53.Bb1 Ra1 54.a7 Raxb1#

I actually did see the 49...Rg2+ (50.Kc1 Ra1+ 51.Rb1 Rc2+) threat which is why I originally voted for 48....Rg8 with you. The reason why I changed my mind was that 48....Rg8 49.Ke1 (preventing Rg2+) seemed like a reasonable defense.

I am pretty sure that if we had played Rg8 Monero would not have ignored our threat (by playing a6 like in the game) and would have found 49.Ke1. 48...Rcc3 was more sneaky because now white cannot escape with Ke1 and 50.Rf2 (to defend Re2+) does not work because of Rad3+ 51.Kc1 Re1 mate. Unless I am missing something we may now be winning. I see a few ways for Monero to prevent checkmate but they all provide us with a winning material advantage.

2 votes Re3 (boolberry, tifozi)

[tifozi]

Yah that too, but I just figured white was going with a6 regardless as they had discussed.

Either way black has this one 

[boolberry]

Yah that too, but I just figured white was going with a6 regardless as they had discussed.

Either way black has this one  

Yes we were lucky to be able to activate our rooks. I was pretty sure we were headed for a draw earlier. Out of the opening Monero had an advantage.  Hopefully they will agree to another game after this one with colors reversed.

[XMRpromotions]

I thought this was an informative post about CryptoNote block sizes and block subsidies
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/389pq6/elastic_block_cap_with_rollover_penalties_my/crts1do

quote from cloud10again:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3ypd46/please_help_with_user_guides_and_other/cyftd1w

Note that the way it's written is somewhat confusing, and the last 2 needs to be superscript.

Here's my attempt (assuming I'm understanding it right):

Reward = baseReward - baseReward * (currentSize / medianLast100 - 1)2

As bitcoin continues to struggle with scaling I hope more people notice the solutions already built into CryptoNote coins.  The tail emission for Monero is another positive that will likely prove very hard for bitcoin to implement.

The blocksize scaling solution in Monero requires a tail emission otherwise when the emission becomes minimal or zero there is no penalty and no cost to increase the blocksize. This makes the Monero solution to this issue a non starter in Bitcoin. 

I am really happy Monero made the wise decision to implement tail emission early on. The later this decision is debated the more difficult it will be for other coins to implement. Monero is unique in more than one way and many of our advantages will be hard to copy:)

[languagehasmeaning]

2 votes Re3 (boolberry, tifozi)

3 votes Re3 (boolberry, tifozi, languagehasmeaning)

[boolberry]

Current position
Based on the votes in this thread Team Boolberry has chosen to play Re3. Now it is time for Team Monero to respond. I will plan to count votes again tomorrow at approximately 0:00 UTC.

Team Monero (white pieces) vs. Team Boolberry (black pieces)
white to move



Game PGN:

Code:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Qxd4 a6 5.c4 Nc6 6.Qe3 g6 7.Nc3 Bg7 8.Be2 Nf6 9.O-O O-O 10.h3 Nd7 11.b3 Nc5 12.Bb2 f5 13.exf5 Bxf5 14.Rad1 Qa5 15.Rd2 Rf6 16.Nd5 Re6 17.Qf4 Ne4 18.Bxg7 Kxg7 19.Rb2 Nc3 20.Nd4 Re5 21.Bf3 Nxd5 22.Bxd5 Qc3 23.Nxf5+ Rxf5 24.Qd2 Qxd2 25.Rxd2 Rb8 26.a3 e5 27.Be6 Rf6 28.Bd5 Nd4 29.b4 b6 30.Rb2 g5 31.a4 Rff8 32.Rfb1 Rfc8 33.f3 Kf6 34.g3 Rc7 35.Rf1 Nf5 36.Kf2 h5 37.Rd1 Rg7 38.Be4 Nd4 39.Rg1 Rf8 40.Ke3 Rc7 41.Bd5 b5 42.cxb5 axb5 43.a5 Rc3+ 44.Kd2 Rfc8 45.Rf1 Ra3 46.h4 gxh4 47.gxh4 Kf5 48.Bb7 Rcc3 49.a6 Re3

[ArticMine]

I vote that we resign.

[boolberry]

I vote that we resign.

It is 0:00 UTC so I am assuming the other voters have not found a viable defensive plan to save the game. Lets give it a little more time in case there is some hidden resource that someone can suggest for white.

Is there interest in another game with colors reversed?

[XMRpromotions]

I vote that we resign.

It is 0:00 UTC so I am assuming the other voters have not found a viable defensive plan to save the game. Lets give it a little more time in case there is some hidden resource that someone can suggest for white.

Is there interest in another game with colors reversed?

Resigning is fine with me. Our even endgame fell apart pretty quickly near the end. Good game