IOTA

[l8orre]

i can hardly understand why selling "cheaper" iota to a "group of priviledged investors" would be the key to iota's success.

first of all, iota's success will depend on it being functional, useful and thus adopted.

i doubt that "priviledged investors granted with lower risk + under market price subsidies" will be more dedicated to the community than the rest of us who arrived at the begining, and put our faith in iota, assuming higher risks, and striving for it to become the "reality" that it "is" now.

after all, these "new piviledged users" will have a much lower selling price than some of the "second generation" users, who bought iota with otc prices. it seems unfair.

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

please, let us know more details.

primarily, 'price' is whatever number it is a seller and a buyer agree upon, regardless of other prices elsewhere. in that sense, the term 'privileged' does not apply.

so apart from the Satoshis others are expected to pay, those who want to pay less Satoshi must bring something else to the table that has said  other benefit to compensate for lower amount of Satoshi.

I think you are right there, it does depend in the details.

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[ImI]

worldwide iot companies dont give a shit about 250.000$, which is more or less the price of the 25mio at the moment

[iotatoken]

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

Very probably that is the case. They would do more to promote iota proportionally to their stake than most of us are capable of. I dont think David would even consider it if it wasnt the case.

OK maybe. So David let tell us about more detail then. This give blindly is not appropriate. It is not hard to tell more basic detail.

No one is giving blindly, you are pledging/not freely if you see the value in potentially having some of the biggest names tied to crypto who operate in the real world.

[trolleroo]

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

Very probably that is the case. They would do more to promote iota proportionally to their stake than most of us are capable of. I dont think David would even consider it if it wasnt the case.

OK maybe. So David let tell us about more detail then. This give blindly is not appropriate. It is not hard to tell more basic detail.

No one is giving blindly, you are pledging/not freely if you see the value in potentially having some of the biggest names tied to crypto who operate in the real world.

thank you. that makes sense.

[bighodler]

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

Very probably that is the case. They would do more to promote iota proportionally to their stake than most of us are capable of. I dont think David would even consider it if it wasnt the case.

OK maybe. So David let tell us about more detail then. This give blindly is not appropriate. It is not hard to tell more basic detail.

No one is giving blindly, you are pledging/not freely if you see the value in potentially having some of the biggest names tied to crypto who operate in the real world.

Okay, well that is no answer so I sit out. Too bad.

This is more an answer and tell more than anything else:

worldwide iot companies dont give a shit about 250.000$, which is more or less the price of the 25mio at the moment

If they are such big deal they don't need to pinch penny.

[LitcoinCollector]

Well I think we could even see things on a larger scale:

Bitcoin is only worth: $ 6,381,049,601 which is ofcourse peanuts.
The National Debt of the US alone is about $2.5 billion per day.
Gouverments see bitcoin as a fun exercise, they could crush it at any moment.

Crypto projects and specificly Iot projects are the future, bringing in 'real life' companies would be a tremendous benefit for Iota and it's development.

[iotatoken]

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

Very probably that is the case. They would do more to promote iota proportionally to their stake than most of us are capable of. I dont think David would even consider it if it wasnt the case.

OK maybe. So David let tell us about more detail then. This give blindly is not appropriate. It is not hard to tell more basic detail.

No one is giving blindly, you are pledging/not freely if you see the value in potentially having some of the biggest names tied to crypto who operate in the real world.

Okay, well that is no answer so I sit out. Too bad.

This is more an answer and tell more than anything else:

worldwide iot companies dont give a shit about 250.000$, which is more or less the price of the 25mio at the moment

If they are such big deal they don't need to pinch penny.

100% your choice, just don't complain about lost opportunities.

[trolleroo]

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

Very probably that is the case. They would do more to promote iota proportionally to their stake than most of us are capable of. I dont think David would even consider it if it wasnt the case.

OK maybe. So David let tell us about more detail then. This give blindly is not appropriate. It is not hard to tell more basic detail.

No one is giving blindly, you are pledging/not freely if you see the value in potentially having some of the biggest names tied to crypto who operate in the real world.

Okay, well that is no answer so I sit out. Too bad.

This is more an answer and tell more than anything else:

worldwide iot companies dont give a shit about 250.000$, which is more or less the price of the 25mio at the moment

If they are such big deal they don't need to pinch penny.

100% your choice, just don't complain about lost opportunities.

i guess it would be quite hard to perceive a "lost opportunity" if we don't even "know" what it is all about... 

[Tobo]

i guess it would be quite hard to perceive a "lost opportunity" if we don't even "know" what it is all about... 

really, after several pages discussion? This deal is not done deal yet. It needs to get enough coins pledged first. That is why David can't disclose the names and more details. It may not happen at all. The dilemma is that if you don't reveal enough information, people will not be interested and if you reveal too much information you violate the NDA and will put the deal in danger. It is hard. I think now we are walking on a thin wire on this deal. We might be already on the verge to break the NDA. The potential partners may walk away any time because of that.

[50cent_rapper]

i guess it would be quite hard to perceive a "lost opportunity" if we don't even "know" what it is all about...  

really, after several pages discussion? This deal is not done deal yet. It needs to get enough coins pledged first. That is why David can't disclose the names and more details. It may not happen at all. The dilemma is that if you don't reveal enough information, people will not be interested and if you reveal too much information you violate the NDA and will put the deal in danger. It is hard. I think now we are walking on a thin wire on this deal. We might be already on the verge to break the NDA. The potential partners may walk away any time because of that.

Pledge 25 mil -> get "to the moon" deal

[iotatoken]

i guess it would be quite hard to perceive a "lost opportunity" if we don't even "know" what it is all about... 

really, after several pages discussion? This deal is not done deal yet. It needs to get enough coins pledged first. That is why David can't disclose the names and more details. It may not happen at all. The dilemma is that if you don't reveal enough information, people will not be interested and if you reveal too much information you violate the NDA and will put the deal in danger. It is hard. I think now we are walking on a thin wire on this deal. We might be already on the verge to break the NDA. The potential partners may walk away any time because of that.

And it's also just in general: as soon as names 'leak' some selfish speculator will spam it all over, get a temporary boost, sell, and the deal falls apart. All so one speculator could profit, I won't let that happen.

[anewafresh]

Did we all not place our trust in David and CfB when we participated in the crowdsale? I don't understand why some of us (luckily very few) are suddenly wary of David's judgement? Can we not simply trust him once again?

[50cent_rapper]

Did we all not place our trust in David and CfB when we participated in the crowdsale? I don't understand why some of us (luckily very few) are suddenly wary of David's judgement? Can we not simply trust him once again?

I think they do not want to pledge

[LitcoinCollector]

It's everyones free choise to donate or not.
I realy hope we will get to the amount that is needed, I think we will.
I can't say it enough: the only way Iota will become of importance is through widespread addoption.

[yassin54]

It's everyones free choise to donate or not.

you said everything!!  

[bighodler]

unless they are undoubtfully bringing enormous benefits for iota (adoption from decisive worldwide iot companies) i don't think this is an honest proposal.

Very probably that is the case. They would do more to promote iota proportionally to their stake than most of us are capable of. I dont think David would even consider it if it wasnt the case.

OK maybe. So David let tell us about more detail then. This give blindly is not appropriate. It is not hard to tell more basic detail.

No one is giving blindly, you are pledging/not freely if you see the value in potentially having some of the biggest names tied to crypto who operate in the real world.

Okay, well that is no answer so I sit out. Too bad.

This is more an answer and tell more than anything else:

worldwide iot companies dont give a shit about 250.000$, which is more or less the price of the 25mio at the moment

If they are such big deal they don't need to pinch penny.

100% your choice, just don't complain about lost opportunities.

Life is full of opportunity. I take all important ones.

[iotatoken]

i guess it would be quite hard to perceive a "lost opportunity" if we don't even "know" what it is all about... 

really, after several pages discussion? This deal is not done deal yet. It needs to get enough coins pledged first. That is why David can't disclose the names and more details. It may not happen at all. The dilemma is that if you don't reveal enough information, people will not be interested and if you reveal too much information you violate the NDA and will put the deal in danger. It is hard. I think now we are walking on a thin wire on this deal. We might be already on the verge to break the NDA. The potential partners may walk away any time because of that.

to be clear, i understand your point, that's why i said that it makes sense, earlier. what i don't think is fine is what sounds to me like engaging in emotional blackmail.

Emotional blackmail, are you serious? I am simply stating the truth. What do you think cause adoption and appreciation of value of a software/token? It's hard work and strategic decisions. Look at Nxt, it was groundbreaking in numerous ways, yet achieved 0 real life adoption due HODL 4 LIFE mentality permeating the entire community from late 2013 to late 2015.

My comment about not wanting to hear any complaints come from experience, people tend to complain when they realize they have lost an opportunity, which I don't want to hear. Again: you are 100% free to make your decision, but you can't just sit there expecting to hodl your tokens and magically people will want to buy them for some dreamed up value without some BIG things happening. I present the community with big opportunities, if it doesn't take it (fortunately so far the overwhelming majority do take it) it can't complain either.

[bighodler]

Did we all not place our trust in David and CfB when we participated in the crowdsale? I don't understand why some of us (luckily very few) are suddenly wary of David's judgement? Can we not simply trust him once again?

I think they do not want to pledge

He don't provide basic detail, so I think he don't want me to pledge. Is okay. We all make our choices.

[iotatoken]

Did we all not place our trust in David and CfB when we participated in the crowdsale? I don't understand why some of us (luckily very few) are suddenly wary of David's judgement? Can we not simply trust him once again?

I think they do not want to pledge

He don't provide basic detail, so I think he don't want me to pledge. Is okay. We all make our choices.

Are you a troll or an honest holder of IOTA? Be honest. What 'basic detail' have I not disclosed? I have told everyone from go that I can't reveal the name and even if I could I wouldn't as to prevent vacuous and dishonest speculation. What other detail have I not informed of yet?

You will know the name once price negotiation commence (if enough is raised)

[bizz]

Emotional blackmail, are you serious? I am simply stating the truth. What do you think cause adoption and appreciation of value of a software/token? It's hard work and strategic decisions. Look at Nxt, it was groundbreaking in numerous ways, yet achieved 0 real life adoption due HODL 4 LIFE mentality permeating the entire community from late 2013 to late 2015.

You are correct. One exchange even recently rejected  nxt for trading on margin due to "few people holding large amounts" (or being a little evil: wrong people holding large amounts). C'est la vie.