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April 13, 2017, 01:32:51 PM
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solid tech (please install new wallet) solid team, solid community, solid investor value, honesty and dillgence

Yes. Which is why I've also posted what I did for some transparency moving forward.

Please put the Zerocoin protocol on testnet first, for example.

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April 13, 2017, 01:49:37 PM
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Tremendous rise in price. Congratulations to all holders who bought PIVX for $0.01 or lower price.

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lol thats a good one:

https://twitter.com/loomdart/status/852470673624768512

how true Smiley
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April 13, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
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wow price PVIX in bitrex 138k nice who the next price 0.01 Cheesy
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April 13, 2017, 03:33:16 PM
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PIVX trip to moon discussed in new episode of the Crypto Times: https://youtu.be/05CX2bN79Fw

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April 13, 2017, 04:08:00 PM
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Web wallet??
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First of all thanks for all the answers, the vibe I am getting from you guys is very similar as with DASH community. Which makes me kinda sad why did you guys join up with DASH !?!?


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iloveBTCtomuch on April 12, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
I wanted know if there are some real counter arguments to these following questions.

1) Distribution, is a so called plus by PIVX, yet when you take a close look at DASH compared to PIVX POW fase it was only 100day's long and the masternode idea was already planned in, so not much selling going on.

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There was plenty of selling going on. Believe me, I was there. PIVX has been around for more than a year and a half and had plenty of ups and downs in the early days. It deliberately adopted a slow, steady block reduction scheme to ensure that latecomers still had a chance to get in.

Pivx has a 100d ay POW mining period how on earth can you say it had a slow block reduction !!! I am sorry I can't get my head around that please explain why you think that is ?


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If you keep good look at the block-chain you can also see still still see that the TOP 250 address still hold close to 50%, that was even worst just after the 100day POW fase.
Also the 2 anonymous creators of this coin claim to have burned up all the pre-mined coins but there where only 60.000 coins burned in that process. Which to me sounds more like a gesture to create come good will if you compare it the almost 53 million coins that exist right now.

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I would very much like a similiar info on PIVX compaired to this DASH info(which completely clearly's up the instamine for me in satisfactory way other than the trolls keep bashing on it)
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/62jc3b/evan_duffield_has_no_more_than_256000_dash_and/


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The material fact is that DASH was instamined. Those resources you cite only exist to defend DASH because there is something there that needs to be defended and justified. I am not saying that they don't justify the premine--that is something that each person has to judge for themselves. What I am saying is that I would love to show you similar information for PIVX, but it doesn't exist because there is nothing equivalent that needs to be justified. The premine, which was used to set up the first MNs for the network, was publicly burnt. That is also a demonstrable fact. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're suggesting that 60K seems too low (maybe because the number was so much higher for DASH?) so therefore there must be more to the story. If there is more to the story, no one has managed to find evidence of it in the past year and a half, and the Dev team has given us no reasons to doubt their integrity. Again, though, each person should make their own decisions, and place their trust as they see fit.

No, DASH was not a premine, that the whole point !!!! It has a much fairer distribution than most coins and definitively compared to PIVX, I urge you to better research into DASH, seeing that why most you did not join DASH


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2) What features that are currently in the system that truly make a distention, other than seesaw (I find it a bit to aggressive do in favor of minters 40% or less, maybe in time minters can do some services in return as well do )


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The fact that it's DASH with improvements is, of course, a selling point on its own. Every coin is a clone of previous coins; the question is how the features are improved, and how capable the Dev team is of realizing their vision. But if you want truly unique features, then yes, the see-saw mechanism is one. The decentralized governance system is another. The upcoming use of zerocoin protocol is another. The flat supply increase, following the long, slow reduction of block rewards, and the integration of MNs (IPv6 and TOR) with PoS are still others. Then you have the highly engaged community (have you gone on Slack?), and the large, active Dev team.

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Dash is developing non-stop, it never stopped, at is not going to stop any-time soon, DASH just hired 8 full time members
Seesaw sounds allot more advanced than it it actually is, Dash could add it as well, but is still research what would be most fair and balance to the network as whole.
Connection types such as IPv6 and TOR, if needed will be added to Dash no worry's, for development reasons it was allot quicker to take this root.
The Goverance system ? What different form your it seems to be 1 on 1 clone off dash
Your Community yes, you are a very good community, your very similar to DASH, I wonder why you did not join DASH (Think you fell for the Instamine meme, which is sad, but I hope some will read my questions and realize their mistake)


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3) I just looked at the road map again, and even down to the name change is looks like a straight up clone of dash, will it continue to do so ? I mean will it also copy past DASH evolution ? or will it go a different direction

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See above. See-saw, PoS, ZP, decentralized governance, etc. No one is saying that DASH sucks. Clearly, DASH has been highly successful. But that doesn't mean that it's perfect, and PIVX is trying to take the best parts of DASH, combine them with other features in new ways, and come up with something even better.

It a bit of non-statement in case of DASH, DASH is developing non-stop. If you say DASH is take the road the mainstream and you wish to take a different road than yes.
I do think POS (do think its a bad idea to go POS, at least for the foreseeable future) And adding Zero-cash tech is also a very different step, I will vote against zero-cash it's trusted setup implementation for sure when it comes to DASH do the fact the you now need trust both  the coin and the developers, instead of having a trust-less block-chain.


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4) Also is there any way to find more info on the creators of this coin ?

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https://pivx.org/pivx-team/
Or go on slack and talk with them yourself--they're very, very accessible.

WOW what a large team, how did this came to be ? all these people working full time ? This to me sounds very unlikely, as your coin marketcap just recently exploding (on the back of DASH I may add)
But if they are why ? Why did they not join DASH than ?

I think the whole point is a bit sad at no point did seem like PIVX team and community tried to join forces with DASH, but just straight up cloned it for the most part. At the same time Evan Duffield definatily tried to join with bitcoin but was not let into it.

I'll keep a close eye on this project but up until you deliver something ground breaking, I do not think your marketing cap and your very rich announcements 2 owners deserved such a very big payday. But most sad of all is that PIVX created a unneeded fork from DASH, that makes crypto most less strong than it could be, and giving enough time Goverments will completely put us in a small box and it over and done with satoshi nakamoto Dream.

If you guys can provide me with the same level of info as is available on DASH it's instamine, I would look more favorable on your coin but it clearly does not, anyways thanks for your time, my decision is made, DASH remains the crypto-currency for the mainstream, ready end of 2017 (and please don't clone evolution just go your own way).
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IloveBTCtomuch wasn't even a subtle FUD Dash troll

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PIVX trip to moon discussed in new episode of the Crypto Times: https://youtu.be/05CX2bN79Fw

nice show, nice diving too Smiley
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IloveBTCtomuch wasn't even a subtle FUD Dash troll

Please quote one piece that is FUD ? I asking difficult questions yes, and I have a strong opinion About both DASH and PIVX, That does not make me a troll

You on the other hand attacking me personally does make you a troll Wink
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April 13, 2017, 05:32:29 PM
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PIVX trip to moon discussed in new episode of the Crypto Times: https://youtu.be/05CX2bN79Fw

nice show, nice diving too Smiley

Thanks, really wanted to cover how hugely undervalued the entire space is to show how there's enough seats at the table for everyone and how stupid fighting over table scraps through FUDing is.

Speaking of stupid FUDers:

Please quote one piece that is FUD ? I asking difficult questions yes, and I have a strong opinion About both DASH and PIVX, That does not make me a troll

You on the other hand attacking me personally does make you a troll Wink

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IloveBTCtomuch wasn't even a subtle FUD Dash troll

Please quote one piece that is FUD ? I asking difficult questions yes, and I have a strong opinion About both DASH and PIVX, That does not make me a troll

You on the other hand attacking me personally does make you a troll Wink

If you're going to be critical, get on your real account.

I've been critical in the past and use the same account, nothing wrong with being critical. We have to question these projects when this amount of money is involved.

PIVx has been great to many of us, like someone else mentioned. Researched, saw how transparent devs were and decided to give it a chance. They've done a great job.
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No web wallet,, Useless Grin
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April 13, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
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Announcement!

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Please quote one piece that is FUD ? I asking difficult questions yes, and I have a strong opinion About both DASH and PIVX, That does not make me a troll

You on the other hand attacking me personally does make you a troll Wink

I think u are having tantrum or being jealous of dash holders that managed to double their money within one month while ur pivx asscoin is just a piece of goshen. Ur irritation stems from ur teenage years when ur life was especially hard. U missed out on dash because u were out as ur body received punches from a street bandit which is the exact reason why u werent online when I was calling u out on ur last statement about dash.
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IloveBTCtomuch wasn't even a subtle FUD Dash troll

Please quote one piece that is FUD ? I asking difficult questions yes, and I have a strong opinion About both DASH and PIVX, That does not make me a troll

You on the other hand attacking me personally does make you a troll Wink

I think u are having tantrum or being jealous of dash holders that managed to double their money within one month while ur pivx asscoin is just a piece of goshen. Ur irritation stems from ur teenage years when ur life was especially hard. U missed out on dash because u were out as ur body received punches from a street bandit which is the exact reason why u werent online when I was calling u out on ur last statement about dash.

LMAO you forgot to switch to your other account before posting  Cheesy

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First of all thanks for all the answers, the vibe I am getting from you guys is very similar as with DASH community. Which makes me kinda sad why did you guys join up with DASH !?!?

I am addressing all your points again despite the fact that, as you say yourself, you decision is made, because I think it's important to maintain constructive dialogue even in the face of repetitive, ideological criticism.

Investing in PIVX and in DASH are not mutually exclusive, and neither is participating in both communities. Both projects have been successful, though of course DASH is more mature in its development cycle. The PIVX Devs wanted to improve on DASH and try out some new ideas of their own, which is why they started PIVX, and why it exists as a separate coin from DASH. The fact that something good exists doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to create something that is even better. PIVX is not a threat to DASH unless it succeeds in being 'even better', and if you're sure it's not going to, why are you worried?

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Pivx has a 100d ay POW mining period how on earth can you say it had a slow block reduction !!! I am sorry I can't get my head around that please explain why you think that is ?

1.5 years after inception, the block reduction process is still continuing. The next reduction, from 15 to 10 PIV, will occur in the next few days. To me, 1.5+ years is a slow block reduction.

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No, DASH was not a premine, that the whole point !!!! It has a much fairer distribution than most coins and definitively compared to PIVX, I urge you to better research into DASH, seeing that why most you did not join DASH

You are bringing up two separate issues here.

First issue: Yes, DASH was heavily mined at its inception, just like PIVX (use whatever word you prefer: premine, instamine, "the 1.8 million DASH that were mined in the first 24 hours", etc.). That doesn't mean that DASH or PIVX are scams. However, the number of coins mined in this way was much greater for DASH than for PIVX (both in absolute number and as a function of total supply), and they were never burnt, which has invited criticism from some (many) people. The DASH Devs and community have justified the early mining, and I am not here to judge what is right or wrong. I have personally mined DarkCoins and invested in DASH. But it is a fact that more than 1.8 million DASH were mined in the first 24 hours, and that this is viewed with suspicion by some (many). Whether this is fair is a separate matter; the point is, DASH has a cloud over it in some (many) people's eyes, and PIVX deliberately avoided this concern by burning its (much smaller) premine publicly.

Second issue: DASH does have a fairer distribution than many coins, sure. And that's great. But any coin with masternodes will always look fairer than it actually is, because many whales have their coins in MNs (i.e., many small addresses). You could make the same argument about PIVX to some extent, with the major difference that PIVX is PoS, and the seesaw mechanism ensures that staking is almost as profitable as having MNs. Many users choose to stake their coins to avoid the hassle of managing MNs, resulting in larger wallets. PIVX's distribution is also fairer than many coins, and if it had only MNs (i.e., no PoS), it would appear even fairer than it does. You're also comparing apples to oranges, in that PIVX is much earlier in its development cycle than DASH. Over time, as early-adopters take profit, the distribution will improve even more. DASH's distribution reflects this as well.

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Dash is developing non-stop, it never stopped, at is not going to stop any-time soon, DASH just hired 8 full time members
Seesaw sounds allot more advanced than it it actually is, Dash could add it as well, but is still research what would be most fair and balance to the network as whole.
Connection types such as IPv6 and TOR, if needed will be added to Dash no worry's, for development reasons it was allot quicker to take this root.
The Goverance system ? What different form your it seems to be 1 on 1 clone off dash
Your Community yes, you are a very good community, your very similar to DASH, I wonder why you did not join DASH (Think you fell for the Instamine meme, which is sad, but I hope some will read my questions and realize their mistake)

Not quite sure what you're trying to say here. DASH is a great coin with a great community. It's done as well as it has because of both of these things, and I congratulate you for that. I hope you continue to succeed, and I think crypto is stronger because of DASH. But I'm not sure why that means others can't try to improve on something that is already good. PIVX is much less mature, but it is also developing non-stop, and also just hired (for $$) several specialist developers. PIVX has many unique features. No one is saying PIVX is perfect either, but it is promising and the market seems to agree. If you think PIVX is a good investment, you are welcome to join the community, contribute, and hopefully make some money. If you think PIVX is pointless, you are welcome to not invest in it. But honestly, regarding the 'why didn't you just join DASH' argument--just move on, man. That was a conversation to have 1.5 years ago. PIVX exists now, and it seems to be doing fine. Who knows where it will be in a couple of years once it's more mature.

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It a bit of non-statement in case of DASH, DASH is developing non-stop. If you say DASH is take the road the mainstream and you wish to take a different road than yes.
I do think POS (do think its a bad idea to go POS, at least for the foreseeable future) And adding Zero-cash tech is also a very different step, I will vote against zero-cash it's trusted setup implementation for sure when it comes to DASH do the fact the you now need trust both  the coin and the developers, instead of having a trust-less block-chain.

Again, DASH is much further along in its development that PIVX, so I'm not sure what your point is, or why you're so obsessed with comparing it to PIVX. This community has made certain decisions regarding PIVX development, just like the DASH community made decisions about DASH development. Of course you should vote for what you think is best, and you're welcome to vote for what you think is best for the PIVX community as well--if you invest in PIVX.

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WOW what a large team, how did this came to be ? all these people working full time ? This to me sounds very unlikely, as your coin marketcap just recently exploding (on the back of DASH I may add)
But if they are why ? Why did they not join DASH than ?

I think the whole point is a bit sad at no point did seem like PIVX team and community tried to join forces with DASH, but just straight up cloned it for the most part. At the same time Evan Duffield definatily tried to join with bitcoin but was not let into it.

I continue to not understand this argument. Over and over, your argument boils down to "DASH already exists and is successful, so why wouldn't you just join DASH instead of starting your own coin?" Why did Larry Page and Sergey Brin start Google even though Altavista already existed and did the same thing? Why did Steve Jobs start Apple even though IBM already existed and did the same thing? The answer is that they had ideas of their own and wanted to draw on the best aspects of existing technologies, improve on them, and create something even better. Maybe PIVX will grow bigger than DASH. Maybe they will coexist. Maybe PIVX will fail. Who knows. But the world would be a very boring place if entrepreneurship didn't exist as force for continued improvement.

And I'm sorry that DASH's market cap has dropped lately. Currencies do that--they go up and go down. I'm sure before all this is finished DASH will go up and down a few more times, as will PIVX. If you believe in DASH, don't worry about a few bumps. It's a long road ahead.

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I'll keep a close eye on this project but up until you deliver something ground breaking, I do not think your marketing cap and your very rich announcements 2 owners deserved such a very big payday.

I think many in the PIVX community are surprised at the recent growth as well. Clearly, the PIVX vision has resonated with investors. It will probably correct downward for a while, if that makes you feel better. As I say, it's a long road ahead. You're certainly welcome to join in the journey if you change your 'decision' (hey--are you secretly LeBron James??)

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But most sad of all is that PIVX created a unneeded fork from DASH, that makes crypto most less strong than it could be, and giving enough time Goverments will completely put us in a small box and it over and done with satoshi nakamoto Dream.

Again, 'unneeded' is determined by the market. Many coins die, and some succeed. You know why the DASH wallet says 'Copyright, the Bitcoin developers' on it, just like every other wallet? Because, just like every other coin after Bitcoin, DASH also copied existing tech and improved upon on it. Like every other arena in life, competition and innovation are good things, and will help cryptocurrencies avoid the 'small box' you speak of. If DASH continues to develop and improve, it will have nothing to fear from PIVX. But that doesn't mean that DASH and PIVX can't both be successful.

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If you guys can provide me with the same level of info as is available on DASH it's instamine, I would look more favorable on your coin but it clearly does not, anyways thanks for your time, my decision is made, DASH remains the crypto-currency for the mainstream, ready end of 2017 (and please don't clone evolution just go your own way).

Once again I'm repeating myself. There is no more information to give re: PIVX's instamine. It was small. It was used for the first MNs. It was publicly burnt. It is not controversial, even though you would like it to be. End of story. I'm sorry that there isn't more to say on this.

As you say, though, your decision is made, as it clearly was before you even posted in this forum. Of course, that's your prerogative. I wish you, and DASH, luck in all your pursuits.
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I like this coin from 650 satoshi to 160000 satoshi.
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