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September 25, 2017, 12:40:39 PM
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If you have 1 k lisk and vote for pools above 50% can you earn something or its a waste of time?
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September 25, 2017, 12:50:14 PM
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If you have 1 k lisk and vote for pools above 50% can you earn something or its a waste of time?

it will take you some minutes to place your votes. but if you do it only once then i would try it. and it will take some time to receive the first payouts with your balance.

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September 25, 2017, 01:11:24 PM
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All voters with a balance (even as low as .00001) are paid. 

Next payout if active will be at 90%.

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Our first #Lisk meetup in #Tokyo with 350 people in attendance.



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Max and Thomas pitched #Lisk to several exchanges in Japan. We can’t share the details just yet!



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Our second meetup in #Tokyo was packed. Thanks to our #Lisk community in Japan for coming!




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When will the byteball distribution be over  Grin I have a feeling that somewhere in a first half of 2018 there will be an airdrop for users who links their lisk addresses. Great times ahead for Lisk, who is selling in 2017 instead of buying will regret it in the future.

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September 25, 2017, 04:12:08 PM
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Please unvote the following delegates

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only
+ joel: 15%
+ dakk: 15%
+ 4miners.net: 0%
+ cc001: 0%
+ digitron: 0%
+ hmachado: 0%
+ grumlin: 0%
+ goldeneye: 0%
+ liskgate: 0%
+ punkrock: 0%
+ gr33ndrag0n: 0%

It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy

All of them are from GDTPool

Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.com


Delegate owners please contact http://earnlisk.com/ owner to update your profit sharing ratio
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September 25, 2017, 04:31:58 PM
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Please unvote the following delegates

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only
+ joel: 15%
+ dakk: 15%
+ 4miners.net: 0%
+ cc001: 0%
+ digitron: 0%
+ hmachado: 0%
+ grumlin: 0%
+ goldeneye: 0%
+ liskgate: 0%
+ punkrock: 0%
+ gr33ndrag0n: 0%

It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy

Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.com

All of them are from GDTPool

I'll try again since you didn't reply to be above:
So it's a waste of money to vote for me, even though I provide a lot for the lisk community?  Including closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.wallet
gr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning?
hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly
4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues.
...
I could go on  Smiley

Edit: Are you friends with techbytes?  Smiley  I have nothing against him, but he openly stated that if people didn't like that he sold his lisk that he said was reserved for App development on Lisk then he should be unvoted.  I find it interesting that you are pushing for him when he sold almost all of his lisk, but you call the people on your list the greedy ones that should be unvoted Wink

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September 25, 2017, 04:37:49 PM
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When will the byteball distribution be over  Grin I have a feeling that somewhere in a first half of 2018 there will be an airdrop for users who links their lisk addresses. Great times ahead for Lisk, who is selling in 2017 instead of buying will regret it in the future.

Lisk met with The Weekly Economist for an interview in #Tokyo.
https://twitter.com/LiskHQ/status/912340994242351105
I dont see the byteball distribution happening to LISK addresses. But being said that, did Max decide what to do with the byteballs he recieved for the ICO funds?
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September 25, 2017, 04:39:18 PM
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Please unvote the following delegates

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only
+ joel: 15%
+ dakk: 15%
+ 4miners.net: 0%
+ cc001: 0%
+ digitron: 0%
+ hmachado: 0%
+ grumlin: 0%
+ goldeneye: 0%
+ liskgate: 0%
+ punkrock: 0%
+ gr33ndrag0n: 0%

It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy

Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.com

All of them are from GDTPool

I'll try again since you didn't reply to be above:
So it's a waste of money to vote for me, even though I provide a lot for the lisk community?  Including closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.wallet
gr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning?
hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly
4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues.
...
I could go on  Smiley

I respect your occasional contributions to the community but don't be too greedy. Voters don't vote for free. They need to buy and hold LSK to vote for you. It comes at a cost in USD and huge opportunity cost. You earn a lot from your delegate. If it is considered your monthly salary, think about it. Is it too high? And think about voters who pay you

>> Edit: Are you friends with techbytes?

No. I follow money like everyone here. Techbytes shares 90% profit. He definitely has my vote
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September 25, 2017, 04:46:26 PM
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Please unvote the following delegates

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only
+ joel: 15%
+ dakk: 15%
+ 4miners.net: 0%
+ cc001: 0%
+ digitron: 0%
+ hmachado: 0%
+ grumlin: 0%
+ goldeneye: 0%
+ liskgate: 0%
+ punkrock: 0%
+ gr33ndrag0n: 0%

It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy

Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.com

All of them are from GDTPool

I'll try again since you didn't reply to be above:
So it's a waste of money to vote for me, even though I provide a lot for the lisk community?  Including closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.wallet
gr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning?
hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly
4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues.
...
I could go on  Smiley

I respect your occasional contributions to the community but don't be too greedy. Voters don't vote for free. They need to buy and hold LSK to vote for you. It comes at a cost in USD and huge opportunity cost. You earn a lot from your delegate. If it is considered your monthly salary, think about it. Is it too high? And think about voters who pay you

>> Edit: Are you friends with techbytes?

No. I follow money like everyone here. Techbytes shares 90% profit. He definitely has my vote

Totally agree with you. All delegates should share at least 1/4th of their earnings to voters. The community should unvote these greeady delegates and should vote for other standby delegates who are willing to share more. Only the community can rectify the current situation.
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September 25, 2017, 04:48:30 PM
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I respect your occasional contributions to the community but don't be too greedy. Voters don't vote for free. They need to buy and hold LSK to vote for you. It comes at a cost in USD and huge opportunity cost. You earn a lot from your delegate. If it is considered your monthly salary, think about it. Is it too high? And think about voters who pay you

You're only looking at one method to give back to voters.  What if my Android App increases the value of Lisk?  or what would have happened to the value if network was down for longer after past bugs because gr33ndrag0n didn't have his great snapshots available to every delegate?
By voting for contributing delegates, you are getting a return on your vote by the extra value we give Lisk.

A better question is what have the pools done to earn the 10%-50% that they keep for themselves?  Would you rather I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all my contributions to Lisk?  That would be easier for me  Grin

Edit: Or better yet, I can pull a robinhood (btw, I respect liber for his strategy here Smiley ).  I can make another delegate that gives 80% if you vote for it and 110% if you vote for it and me Smiley  I'll put a cap at 50k to help smaller voters and provide a one time reimbursement to voters holding 100-2000LSK of 1LSK for their vote, so that doesn't take away from their profits.  That way you get your nice pool payments and I keep 90% for providing that delegate for you  Grin  that's one of the best deals out there for pool payments

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Last edit: September 25, 2017, 05:23:54 PM by Samuray
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Hello everyone!
As not everyone would know, I am an early supporter of Lisk running nodes since april 2016   Grin
I want to inform you guys that I decided to increase my share with my voters from 25% to 50% starting this week! - weekly payouts
For more details about my donations and sharing distribution here is my proposal and my pool stats page: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=136&p=494#p494
Vote for samuray - rank 92 !   Wink

too late. you should have shared more from the beginning. i hope that nobody will vote you because of the increased sharing amount.

i think i have to make a list of delegates that suddenly start to share more.

Hey vlom!
I think if you want to change something its never too late Wink
And beeing here and sharing 25% and many other donations twards lisk awearnes projects(6k+Lisk) for more than a year, it is something to be considered in my opinion.
And I also think that I give a nice return comparred to other active delegates and I also did donate to good lisk projects more than the average active delegate! I can add here that I am holding a big % of forged lisk(more than 70%) and not dumping every month, every week, like other active pools and delegates do. Wink
My voters will get a nice double reward starting this week forward and I want to thank all ppl who are voting me! Smiley
Have a splendid day!

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September 25, 2017, 04:58:47 PM
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I respect your occasional contributions to the community but don't be too greedy. Voters don't vote for free. They need to buy and hold LSK to vote for you. It comes at a cost in USD and huge opportunity cost. You earn a lot from your delegate. If it is considered your monthly salary, think about it. Is it too high? And think about voters who pay you

You're only looking at one method to give back to voters.  What if my Android App increases the value of Lisk?  or what would have happened to the value if network was down for longer after past bugs because gr33ndrag0n didn't have his great snapshots available to every delegate?
By voting for contributing delegates, you are getting a return on your vote by the extra value we give Lisk.

A better question is what have the pools done to earn the 10%-50% that they keep for themselves?  Would you rather I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all my contributions to Lisk?  That would be easier for me  Grin

Edit: Or better yet, I can pull a robinhood (btw, I respect liber for his strategy here Smiley ).  I can make another delegate that gives 80% if you vote for it and 110% if you vote for it and me Smiley  I'll put a cap at 50k to help smaller voters and provide a one time reimbursement to voters holding 100-2000LSK of 1LSK for their vote, so that doesn't take away from their profits.  That way you get your nice pool payments and I keep 90% for providing that delegate for you  Grin
Notable contributions to the LISK network should be rewarded by the LISK team imho. Otherwise only delegates would be interested in doing anything for LISK and we have to think about much bigger audience here.
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September 25, 2017, 05:09:47 PM
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Anyone has any idea why lisk volume is being dropped so hard?
I remember lisk had about 2000BTC volume on poloniex and now it only has about 200btc, seems like something is going.
But then I checked most of the other alts and I found out that all alts have a really low volume.
Probably is about the bitcoin price being surging high and low.

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September 25, 2017, 05:14:01 PM
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Notable contributions to the LISK network should be rewarded by the LISK team imho. Otherwise only delegates would be interested in doing anything for LISK and we have to think about much bigger audience here.

Lisk HQ has no bounty program currently and if you want to work for them, you have to move to Berlin.  So it's very difficult for delegates to be rewarded by them.  I'll ask you the same question though as I stated above: would it be better if I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all contributions besides taking part in a little Lisk chat as some of these pools are doing? or do you like my robinhood idea? Smiley  Either of those would be much easier for me.  You can have your percentage and I can just sell my percentage and not do anything else.

No one is questioning those pools' contributions to lisk because people only see the share percentage.  However, most of them has stated no other intention to do anything with the lisk they keep except sell it.  Instead people are attacking delegates that are contributing to the Lisk system, donating to worthy causes, and putting in a lot of time.

Edit: I forgot to say too that even HQ has stated in the past that delegates are there to fund worthy projects.  So we shouldn't be making giant pools that just ends up rewarding investors.  Delegates are supposed to be making donations and many of the people lists to be unvoted do donate to projects.  I just donated to 5an1ty a few thousand dollars worth of lisk last week for all of his work on Docker for Lisk

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September 25, 2017, 05:22:43 PM
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I respect your occasional contributions to the community but don't be too greedy. Voters don't vote for free. They need to buy and hold LSK to vote for you. It comes at a cost in USD and huge opportunity cost. You earn a lot from your delegate. If it is considered your monthly salary, think about it. Is it too high? And think about voters who pay you

You're only looking at one method to give back to voters.  What if my Android App increases the value of Lisk?  or what would have happened to the value if network was down for longer after past bugs because gr33ndrag0n didn't have his great snapshots available to every delegate?
By voting for contributing delegates, you are getting a return on your vote by the extra value we give Lisk.

A better question is what have the pools done to earn the 10%-50% that they keep for themselves?  Would you rather I switched to a 50% pool and stopped all my contributions to Lisk?  That would be easier for me  Grin

Edit: Or better yet, I can pull a robinhood (btw, I respect liber for his strategy here Smiley ).  I can make another delegate that gives 80% if you vote for it and 110% if you vote for it and me Smiley  I'll put a cap at 50k to help smaller voters and provide a one time reimbursement to voters holding 100-2000LSK of 1LSK for their vote, so that doesn't take away from their profits.  That way you get your nice pool payments and I keep 90% for providing that delegate for you  Grin
Notable contributions to the LISK network should be rewarded by the LISK team imho. Otherwise only delegates would be interested in doing anything for LISK and we have to think about much bigger audience here.

I know everyone wants a higher percentage sharing but be sure to support delegates who contribute to the Lisk ecosystem like gr33ndragon, cc001, mrv, hmachado, corsaro, etc.
People are not screaming to get 80% or 90% share of the profits. They are only complaining about people who shares like 5-10% and not doing much for the ecosystem, which is totally understandable.
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September 25, 2017, 05:28:32 PM
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For the delegates that are actively contributing to the Lisk network. Nobody is complaining about that. We just think that a reasonable amount to keep for yourself is 50% - which is MORE THAN ENOUGH. And give back to the people voting for you at least 50%

The delegates that are not contributing to the Lisk network, need to bump up their percentage of pool reward to at least 75%, imho.

It's the low percentages (or no sharing) that people are upset with. Rectify, this, like techbytes and samurai, and you will have loyal voters.
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People are not screaming to get 80% or 90% share of the profits. They are only complaining about people who shares like 5-10% and not doing much for the ecosystem, which is totally understandable.

I would think you are not saying that myself, gr33ndrag0n, cc001, or 4miners.net (there are others, but no need to list them all) are not doing much for the ecosystem.  We contribute and participate regularly.
Also, do people understand that pools benefit the big bagholders the most?  If you have less that 1000LSK there is no real point in voting for pool delegates.  It will take weeks, if not months just to get back the cost of your vote; and after that your profits are minimal.  You have more to gain by voting the delegates that will increase the price of lisk by adding to it; and those increasing the price of the lisk you hold.  You can get much bigger gains that way.
The original point of voting was to have the forging delegates be active members of the community that add value to the system (like the delegates I have been listing).


The delegates that are not contributing to the Lisk network, need to bump up their percentage of pool reward to at least 75%, imho.

Why is it acceptable to have forging delegates that don't contribute to the Lisk network Huh
They shouldn't raise their pool rewards, they should be voted out.  There are plenty of worth standby delegates that are contributing to the Lisk network that should be voted in instead

For the delegates that are actively contributing to the Lisk network. Nobody is complaining about that. We just think that a reasonable amount to keep for yourself is 50% - which is MORE THAN ENOUGH. And give back to the people voting for you at least 50%

Who says active delegates that are not big pools are keeping it all for themselves?  Example is that I have forged Lisk reserved just for worthy lisk projects and apps that I will help fund and/or donate to.  Just like I donated to 5an1ty for his docker contributions to lisk.  
Delegates should not just be keeping all forged lisk they don't share with voters.  If they are a good delegate, they will put that forged lisk back into the system through donations and funding to others.  If they don't and they just sell what they keep, they should be unvoted from forging; as we recently saw happen.

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September 25, 2017, 06:00:36 PM
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For the delegates that are actively contributing to the Lisk network. Nobody is complaining about that. We just think that a reasonable amount to keep for yourself is 50% - which is MORE THAN ENOUGH. And give back to the people voting for you at least 50%

The delegates that are not contributing to the Lisk network, need to bump up their percentage of pool reward to at least 75%, imho.

It's the low percentages (or no sharing) that people are upset with. Rectify, this, like techbytes and samurai, and you will have loyal voters.


+1

I am just trying to follow your guys logic.  Do I have this correct?
1.) So because I contribute to the Lisk Network, it's okay for me to just keep 50% of my forged Lisk to sell whenever I want as long as I share the other 50% with my voters?  I shouldn't worry about the future of the Lisk ecosystem and helping to fund good Apps that will improve Lisk or reward good contributions by people to the system? (btw, this is what HQ has stated in the past delegates should do and I believe it's why Lisk HQ doesn't have a bounty program.  Active delegates are supposed to be rewarding these people. As some of us do with donations.)
2.) If I don't feel like contributing to Lisk anymore, I can just raise my sharing to 75% and just keep 25% for myself for doing nothing anymore but being lucky enough to get a lot of votes?

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September 25, 2017, 06:13:34 PM
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When will the byteball distribution be over  Grin I have a feeling that somewhere in a first half of 2018 there will be an airdrop for users who links their lisk addresses. Great times ahead for Lisk, who is selling in 2017 instead of buying will regret it in the future.

Lisk met with The Weekly Economist for an interview in #Tokyo.
https://twitter.com/LiskHQ/status/912340994242351105
I dont see the byteball distribution happening to LISK addresses. But being said that, did Max decide what to do with the byteballs he recieved for the ICO funds?
No no, nothing official about the byteball distribution to lisk holders,Max only said that it will be decided after the byteball airdrop is over and there are few more rounds left.

There should be one "due diligence delegates guy", a person who understands what exactly every single delegate is doing and can translate that for non techie crowd,the community is getting bigger and a lot of new voters will come up so it would be cool to know who exactly and how gives a bigger value to one lisk. Like mrv777 is saying.. its better to vote for a hard working delegates than just for the quick profit ones. I ask you any small and mid lisk holder, would you rather own a 1100 lisk worth 20 dollars each or only 1000 lisk but 80 dollars each!

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