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September 22, 2017, 08:55:31 AM
Last edit: September 22, 2017, 09:14:12 AM by kaedcoin
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Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters

You know what ? You're right. Those pools : LiskElite and GDT, are bad for voters, when their delegates don't share more than 50% (in average).
5, 10% even 25% share ? They think we're blind ? They do almost nothing except getting richer and richer. Maintaining nodes doesn't cost even a little fraction of what they get.

LSK owners, we have to take the FORGING POWER back.

Vote for :

Axente - 50%
Cad789 - 50%
Blink - 90%
thrice.pi_prometheus - 50%
sonobit - 60%
bangomatic - 50%
bitseed - 50%

We don't care from which pool they are, because they share at least 50% with their voters.

LSK owners and voters, please consider changing your votes for DELEGATES and POOLS sharing at least 50% of their TOTAL FORGING REWARDS.


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September 22, 2017, 09:26:48 AM
Last edit: September 22, 2017, 11:26:03 AM by Beoga
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Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters
Done.

This is my statistic for 3 months:



Wonder - why there is no payment from philhellmuth? And just one small payment from phoenix1969?
kushed.delegate, vi1son, vrlc92 just added no info so far.
liskpool_com_01 - minimum payout 10 Lisk - not accumulated so far.
liberspirita - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!

Some of pool from top 101 was deleted because I didn't got any Lisk from them:
bitbanksy, densmirnov, nerigal, stellardynamic, punkrock, hagie
If someone has statistic pools who didn't pay but in top 101 send please.

Also in my voting list:



odsejen - just 20% so tink to unvote
liskpro.com - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!



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September 22, 2017, 11:27:43 AM
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@Beoga : How/where did you get all these statistics ? Manual reports ? Or with an online tool ?

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September 22, 2017, 11:55:38 AM
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when will there be rebranding of the Lisk world of warcraft logo?

I'm tired of all my friends asking about WoW whenever they see the lisk icon° need something futuristic!

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September 22, 2017, 11:56:49 AM
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Please consider unvote the following delegate

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only

All of them are from GDT. GDT is very bad for voters
Done.

This is my statistic for 3 months:



Wonder - why there is no payment from philhellmuth? And just one small payment from phoenix1969?
kushed.delegate, vi1son, vrlc92 just added no info so far.
liskpool_com_01 - minimum payout 10 Lisk - not accumulated so far.
liberspirita - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!

Some of pool from top 101 was deleted because I didn't got any Lisk from them:
bitbanksy, densmirnov, nerigal, stellardynamic, punkrock, hagie
If someone has statistic pools who didn't pay but in top 101 send please.

Also in my voting list:



odsejen - just 20% so tink to unvote
liskpro.com - works with robinhood - the best pool ever!




Well, I must admit you are the first one here who argue it's votes ! And this is a very good presentation ...
As you, there are some things that are disgusting :
- delegates who pay when balance reaches 5 Lisk or more ! For a small wallet, it's insane;
- delegates who share barely "nothing" - let' say minus 25% for exemple.

I noticed some error :
- Hagie pays via this account : hagie_say_thank_you
- Corsaro pays via this account : corsaro

The others : I don't know. I didn't receive any reward even if I voted them.

In you Excel sheet, just change our reward : we will share 50% ! Not 25%.
At the 1st of October, even if we don't forge, we will give 20% (1 LSK per forged block) to the RobinHood Pool - FROM OUR OWN POCKET !
Then, when we will forge, we will share more to reach 50%.

 Cool

Indeed, RobinHood is a good pool whatever FUDders say ! Good payout, high reward, excellent for small Lisk holders !
http://robinhood.liskpro.com

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September 22, 2017, 12:06:18 PM
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We, voters, should avoid those low sharing delegates. We should remove our votes when a delegate shares less than, say, 50%.

Those people get richer and richer and thus, their voting power get bigger and bigger and then, they can vote for each other and get stronger and stronger.
This system is a fail. I love LSK. But i do not like the way the DPOS works. Reminds me of the "real world". People doing nothing but getting richer and richer.

What does Liskelite do for LSK, exactly ? And for us, voters ?


You, wallet owners who possess thousands of LSK, you should vote for high% reward delegates, even if they are not in the top 101 list, because YOU HAVE THE POWER to get the "elite mafia" OUT and to help high sharing delegates replacing them.


Why not gdtpool? It will share 90%.

Nothing wrong with gdtpool. Already in my vote list.

There is somehting you missed ...
In the real wolrd, richers get richers and you and me cannot do anything except to win in a big lottery such EuroMillion (here in Europe).

But in a DPOS model, you and me can do something ! We can unvote people we don't like !
But we are human, we want money, now, fast, without doing anything (remind me some people in Lisk). So we vote for those who can give us some peenuts.

We have to kick our fingers out of our asses and _DO SOMETHING_  Cool

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September 22, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
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@Beoga : How/where did you get all these statistics ? Manual reports ? Or with an online tool ?

Still not too much payouts so I transfered its manually in MsAccess and made few queries to analysis.
It would be more gracefully to get data from Lisk blockexplorer directly but it's a little difficult for me so far.

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Well, I must admit you are the first one here who argue it's votes ! And this is a very good presentation ...
As you, there are some things that are disgusting :
- delegates who pay when balance reaches 5 Lisk or more ! For a small wallet, it's insane;
- delegates who share barely "nothing" - let' say minus 25% for exemple.

I noticed some error :
- Hagie pays via this account : hagie_say_thank_you
- Corsaro pays via this account : corsaro

The others : I don't know. I didn't receive any reward even if I voted them.

In you Excel sheet, just change our reward : we will share 50% ! Not 25%.
At the 1st of October, even if we don't forge, we will give 20% (1 LSK per forged block) to the RobinHood Pool - FROM OUR OWN POCKET !
Then, when we will forge, we will share more to reach 50%.

 Cool

Indeed, RobinHood is a good pool whatever FUDders say ! Good payout, high reward, excellent for small Lisk holders !
http://robinhood.liskpro.com

Thank you for new information it will help me to do more accurate analysis.
Consern liskpro.com - it is not clear for me - your pool and liberspirita will add 50% to robihood payouts. So liberspirita will pay 25% and you 25%, doesn't it?

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September 22, 2017, 03:20:02 PM
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Thank you for new information it will help me to do more accurate analysis.
Consern liskpro.com - it is not clear for me - your pool and liberspirita will add 50% to robihood payouts. So liberspirita will pay 25% and you 25%, doesn't it?

Well, right now, RobinHood share 100% (if you vote for RobinHood and LiberSpirita).
At the 1st of October, Liskpro.com will "offer" 1 LSK per forged block (about 20%) to the pool (from our own pocket).
The RobinHood pool will be at 120%/
After the reward reduction, LiberSpirita will offer 1 LSK too. The RobinHood pool will so have 150% of reward !

So basiclly, we could say that Liskpro.com will share 25% and LiberSpirita will share 25%. But % are not accurate because of the reward reduction (19 november).

Ex : now, 100% is 5 LSK per forged block.
If we add 1 LSK, the pool will get 120% - It's math.

At the 19 november, it's the reward reduction.
So 100% will be 4 LSK per forged block.
Liskpro.com will continue to share 1 LSK per block. (So 25% of it's forged Lisk (if we will forge).
LiberSpirita will share 1 LSK per block.
So the total pool reward will not be 4 LSK but 6 LSK so 150% !

Smiley More for our voters !

And maybe even more in the future !

(Hope I'm clear).

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September 22, 2017, 04:10:24 PM
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i just unvoiced all liskelite. i only vote for delegates that share at least 50%. i am fed up with this mafia. lets make a change and kick out the dust-pools. and don't vote them again if they start sharing more. they earned enough. so they have two start with an new name.

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Hey Beoga

Check if you earned more than 0.5 LISK: http://vliskpool.com/stats/miner/

A few minutes ago I sent the payments to vrlc92 voters.

This pool proportionally share 50% of forged blocks revenue to people who voted for vrlc92.
Payments interval is 3d if earned more than 0.5 LISK.
The next one will be in 3 days.

For more information go to: http://vliskpool.com

Hi, I see my stat. That's OK, thank you for sharing 50%.

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September 22, 2017, 07:30:34 PM
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i just unvoiced all liskelite. i only vote for delegates that share at least 50%. i am fed up with this mafia. lets make a change and kick out the dust-pools. and don't vote them again if they start sharing more. they earned enough. so they have two start with an new name.

Mate, i'll do the same soon.

I urge everyone to do the same.

When they'll see their empire falling, maybe they'll reconsider how much they share.

We should have an alternative voting list to be able to replace them by delegates sharing >50%.


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For those who would like to examine payouts and stuff, I do have the pool site which has stats, graphs, and searchable payout balances... https://vote.phoenix1969.win
I normally do not dwell in here but this has been posted several times.
I'm normally reachable in lisk.chat or on tradingview if anyone has questions.
here's my transparency page: https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1141&p=8939#p8939 (updating today)
and my other little site  http://lisk.linkspage.online has relevant useful links in a handy page.
I pay out well over 50% back to the community. 30% distributed by elite, and another 20% directly from my delegate pool database listed above.
...and as you can see by the report, several generous donations.

Currently, the ADLISK foundation campaign is collecting for another great campaign like the last one I did, which will begin tomorrow.
I donated 1000 lisk to it, and elite donated another 500. Nobody else has bothered to donate, sadly.
https://explorer.lisknode.io/address/4548115287754700213L  ...add to it and you will be mentioned throughout the campaign.
yet it should be a signifigant enough with 1500 lisk to do something decent...
So, start desighning banner ads for Google... (phase 1) let's do this guys!
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September 23, 2017, 11:33:32 AM
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I think with all the dpos drama that's cluttering this thread that is is becoming clear that dpos is not the best way to forge.

It was a nice experiment, but I do hope alternative methods are being considered.
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I think with all the dpos drama that's cluttering this thread that is is becoming clear that dpos is not the best way to forge.

It was a nice experiment, but I do hope alternative methods are being considered.

I think DPOS could be a good way to forge, if only the devs implement a "hard-coded low sharing limit".

For example no less than 50% (i'm obsessed with this 50% thing), or even 70%.

Thus delegates still can decide to share more than 50% (or 70%) if they do want to, but never under this limit.

Delegates sharing less than that actually are vampires feeding and growing on voters.


ATM little wallets/voters better trade and speculate than vote and "stake", if they want to make some profits.

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what concerns me also since longer time is #1 delegate Thepool.io. Their acutally 75% share sounds fair, but their 0.2 Lisk payout threshold is such stupid. As smaller voter, I get average payouts of ~0.25 Lisk, but each time 0.10 Lisk network fee will be deducted. So the effective share is much smaller. Tried to contact them via PM, at forum.lisk.io etc. but never get any reaction from them.
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September 23, 2017, 12:26:13 PM
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We cannot mine this coin. How have it been so popular. I do not understand. Huh

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We cannot mine this coin. How have it been so popular. I do not understand. Huh

Just because you don't understand how DPoS mining work doesn't mean we cannot mine it. Wink
Block are mined (forged) by 101 delegates, elected by those who hold LSK in their wallets (lisk nano, desktop or web wallet, but not in exchanges ones), with a system of votes (33 votes/delegates per batch and 1 LSK+fee per batch).
That's why it's called "Delegated Proof of Stake".

what concerns me also since longer time is #1 delegate Thepool.io. Their acutally 75% share sounds fair, but their 0.2 Lisk payout threshold is such stupid. As smaller voter, I get average payouts of ~0.25 Lisk, but each time 0.10 Lisk network fee will be deducted. So the effective share is much smaller. Tried to contact them via PM, at forum.lisk.io etc. but never get any reaction from them.

You're absolutely right about this "issue" with payouts from Thepool. They/he should at least set a 0.5 LSK payout threshold, or even 1 LSK.

Hard to be a small voter with the way this DPoS system works.

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So if i change my votes and vote for you Liskpro, and i've already voted for Robinhood and Liberspirita before, i will get 1 LSK to reimburse my vote ?

Yeah, that's what LiberSpirita said.
People who will vote the trio - RobinHood, LiberSpirita, Liskpro.com prior the 1st of october will see the 1 LSK spend refund Smiley
Yes, i will add 1 LSK per pooler voting the 3 delegates on 1st of October.

By the way, do not forget one important thing : if you miss a vote on one of the partners (liberspirita & liskpro.com), you get a penalty of 25%
This penalty is shared among all "smart poolers" voting the partners. ANd for these guys, it could be bargain at the beginning !
With current figures, i would not be surprised if smart poolers get around 250%

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September 23, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
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So if i change my votes and vote for you Liskpro, and i've already voted for Robinhood and Liberspirita before, i will get 1 LSK to reimburse my vote ?

Yeah, that's what LiberSpirita said.
People who will vote the trio - RobinHood, LiberSpirita, Liskpro.com prior the 1st of october will see the 1 LSK spend refund Smiley
Yes, i will add 1 LSK per pooler voting the 3 delegates on 1st of October.

By the way, do not forget one important thing : if you miss a vote on one of the partners (liberspirita & liskpro.com), you get a penalty of 25%
This penalty is shared among all "smart poolers" voting the partners. ANd for these guys, it could be bargain at the beginning !
With current figures, i would not be surprised if smart poolers get around 250%


I think it's time we vote for you guys (even if i think you could share more if/when liskpro enters the top 101) and we unvote all the vampires sharing almost nothing.

Because each voter who will vote Liberspirita+Robinhood+Liskpro (and unvote every delegate he no longer wants forging) before October 1st will vote for free. Right ?

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