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All this sounds very complicate to me.
Cloud, ubuntu... OMG
I want to run a delegate but I might not be able to do it.
I m willing to buy a raspberry and set up everything but I need more info!
Im completly noob with compurters
You should only considering a Node if you got something to offer, think about that. I will offer whataver it needed. I would like to know what could I offer. Thanks |
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March 23, 2016, 12:52:03 PM |
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Someone fixed it and now it is correct. We are place #19. Rocket.chat? Slack is industry standard. 21 uses it, slock.it uses it. why does LSK not use it? Some people belive in owning their data instead of relying on a third party. That's one reason. The other is that on Slack only the last 10,000 messages will be saved. If you have 1000 users you will always end up with empty rooms.  In fact our chat already have nearly 900 users and over 20,000 messages. Now that you've brought up the subject, is there a Developer's Guide?
https://lisk.io/documentation?i=lisk-docs/READMEI'm a full stack developer and a early investor (2nd week). I like Lisk because of JavaScript as main language. I have just started looking at the dapp development, noticed some serious security concerns with dapp development.
My understanding with dapps is (correct me if I'm wrong), a dapp is hostable component that exposes an http external api and is capable of doing some transactions (withdrawals and deposits). Every dapp can be hosted within in some sidechain. Users can access dapp functionality with the help of exposed api by passing secret and transaction info. It means you have to pass your pass phrase to every dapp you want to do a transaction lets say a withdrawal (paying to dapp owners).
Apple, Microsoft, and google stores are centralized. Every app has to go rigorous review process before getting published in stores ( I published few apps in google and windows stores). The review process mainly includes scanning for malicious code that exposes user phone to external attackers.
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Lisk has no such review process but the code can be viewed by others. Lets say if dapp included with some malicious code that records pass phrases somewhere (not in the dapp), lisk-cli just creates a foundation base for dapp development and users extends it with their own api. How lisk prevents user from accessing dapp and removes from store if malicious code found.
Situation 2:
Lisk dapps and their sidechains can be hosted by third party entities. Lets say owner setup two VMS. One with actual sidechain with clean dapp code internally and installed a reverse proxy on another VM(that sits on external point and forwards request to internal VM that hosted dapp). The reverse proxy receives the request from user first and records pass phrase and then forwards same request to internal VM without modifying request headers.
Situation 3:
Man in the middle attacks.
If the dapp owner not hosting sidechain with SSL, How Lisk ensures user data not compromised.
Just wondering how lisk handles these situations and prevents owner from misusing pass phrases. Last year, I encountered similar issue with NXT and lost around 10K coins. I used a remote nxt web node to check my transactions frequently. I suspect they recorded my pass phrase and transferred my 10k to theirs account.
I think users shouldn't be forced to send pass phrases to dapp owners, its like sending your BTC private keys to others.
@ 1: We are in a decentralized environment. Any kind of censoring by the devs will hurt lisk. The only way is a reputational... removing malicious code will probably not be possible. But who knows, maybe the reputation system can offer that.
Ok, I agree but this doesn't mean system should be infected with all malicious dapps. Reputation wise its not good. Still the dapp has to communicate with mainnet to keep consistency. I think Lisk mainnet holds meta information about each dapp. This should be enough to record info about dapp. Now the question is how to warn the user about that particular malicious dapp .
I'm thinking few alternatives, will present them in coming posts. @ 2+3: you don't need to send your password to the server hopefully. You also don't have to do that in NXT. Just the Frontend needs it. I think Dapp UI asks for pass phrase, and pass same to server through api call or http post. its enough to capture pass phrase. Its not like Dapp UI (client face) directly talking to mainnet. it doesn't matter, Whether its UI or api all should go through http endpoints on the server. Please head to our forum, there were some discussions already and we are open to discuss it there. It just can't be answered in a good way in this thread. http://forum.lisk.io/viewforum.php?f=13If someone post it there, I will answer as soon as possible. Just very quick: Yes, there are some security issues right now. Especially involving the passphrase in dapps. Devs can either send the passphrases via an API though the network, or directly sign the transactions locally. The second option is more secure and our recommended way, but also slightly more complicated. Long-term we want that the user will send/receive LISK from the Lisk UI into/from a sidechain. We will concentrate on various security related issues in the beginning. As I wrote above, please join us on our forum. I think you would be a great asset to the discussions! |
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March 23, 2016, 12:53:07 PM |
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Im completly noob with compurters
I'm not sure if a "completly noob with computers" should run a delegate node. Sorry, nothing personal  Well... everyone can learn. Or not? Im sure That cant be so difficult, but u guy could try to teach me and not to put me off. Nothing personal Sure. Best way to learn something new is "Learning by Doing". Check here: https://lisk.io/documentation?i=lisk-handbooks/DelegateHandbook |
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March 23, 2016, 12:54:26 PM |
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If someone recommends X provider here and half of the delegates end up using that provider that would make Lisk much more vulnerable than if everyone found their own solution.
More than this: All nodes might be end up in the same country and that's not in our interest, I guess. So everyone should find a professional hoster in his/hers country and run it there. Or just take a look on the Lisk network when it's up and pick a country where a node is needed. Yes I think the Delegates would be spread as much as possible country/GP wise/ wise language wise and especially Hosting wise. |
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LiskHQ (OP)
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March 23, 2016, 01:00:55 PM |
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Answered. In general, serious discussions should all happen on our own forum! Please move over there guys! |
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March 23, 2016, 01:03:53 PM |
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Fees can be adjusted. It's pretty evident that fees had been determined in anticipation of a much lower initial market cap. I'm only guessing, but I'm pretty sure if the ICO would have rased 1000 bitcoin Max and Oliver would be very happy with the succesfull fundrasing round. As a matter of fact if you read through the Lisk page there is much content that is off-kilter in light of the amount raised and the initial market cap. Thinks need adjustment, initial plans need revisions and countless other stuff need rethinking for this new reality. Addressing the high fees are I'm sure somewhere on their to-do list, around #157. |
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March 23, 2016, 01:05:46 PM |
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Fees can be adjusted. It's pretty evident that fees had been determined in anticipation of a much lower initial market cap. I'm only guessing, but I'm pretty sure if the ICO would have rased 1000 bitcoin Max and Oliver would be very happy with the succesfull fundrasing round. As a matter of fact if you read through the Lisk page there is much content that is off-kilter in light of the amount raised and the initial market cap. Thinks need adjustment, initial plans need revisions and countless other stuff need rethinking for this new reality. Addressing the high fees are I'm sure somewhere on their to-do list, around #157. Spot on. |
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Guys let's talk dapps. Those are the products that can make Lisk jump over and above all other cryptos.
I was thinking about games, mobile games to be specific. Which kind of games would be made better due to them being a dapp instead of an app? The mobile gaming market is trilion dollar industry with their micro payments. If we can tap into that then a billion dollar market cap will be a breeze...
The Sports Betting Market is worth $1 Trillion +. Augur itself, via the REP IOU on Gatecoin, while over-valued is valued at $180 million. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3040540/Global-sports-gambling-worth-3-trillion.htmlHowever REP holders only receive 0.5-1% of all bets. I.e. $1 billion in bets is worth $10 million to REP holders. So the real winner will be the currency that gets that $1 Billion in betting volume  Lisk should announce they are using some of the funding for an Augur-Fork/PM Dapp and giving Lisk holders 50% of Lisk 'REP'. The PM will use Lisk as the betting currency, (or Lisk will be used to collateralize a price stable USD) This way Lisk holders now own 50% of a Lisk based Augur/PM type Dapp and Lisk holders will benefit from the betting volume as it becomes a contender in the trillion dollar betting market. This should substantially increase the valuation of Lisk. |
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March 23, 2016, 01:16:38 PM |
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All this sounds very complicate to me.
Cloud, ubuntu... OMG
I want to run a delegate but I might not be able to do it.
I m willing to buy a raspberry and set up everything but I need more info!
Im completly noob with compurters
You should only considering a Node if you got something to offer, think about that. I will offer whataver it needed. I would like to know what could I offer. Thanks Thats up to you to think of something to offer, so far you dont know how to run a delegate, or what to do with a delegate, that looks to me that you want a delegate for personal interrest. But hey you can prove me wrong. But i personaly pref that thos lisk go to people that can use the funds to actually start some Dapps, and develop things with this. |
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redcastle
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March 23, 2016, 01:21:33 PM |
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You think Amazon AWS is good for VPS? |
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LiskHQ (OP)
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March 23, 2016, 01:33:59 PM |
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The Lisk ICO has now ended with a total of 14,009 BTC and 80 million XCR exchanged!As of the 21st March 2016 the Lisk ICO has now officially ended and wow! It was a really intense ride these past 4 weeks! The crowd-fund has been an enormous experience for us, with a now burgeoning community, and very substantial amount of funding raised, we are very much looking forward to working on the ecosystem over the next years. Read our full blog post here!
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March 23, 2016, 01:36:27 PM |
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people I want to buy Mercedes G , help who than can please
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March 23, 2016, 01:39:31 PM |
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The Lisk ICO has now ended with a total of 14,009 BTC and 80 million XCR exchanged!As of the 21st March 2016 the Lisk ICO has now officially ended and wow! It was a really intense ride these past 4 weeks! The crowd-fund has been an enormous experience for us, with a now burgeoning community, and very substantial amount of funding raised, we are very much looking forward to working on the ecosystem over the next years. Read our full blog post here! Great news! Wish you success guys  |
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March 23, 2016, 01:45:23 PM |
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Guys let's talk dapps. Those are the products that can make Lisk jump over and above all other cryptos.
I was thinking about games, mobile games to be specific. Which kind of games would be made better due to them being a dapp instead of an app? The mobile gaming market is trilion dollar industry with their micro payments. If we can tap into that then a billion dollar market cap will be a breeze...
The Sports Betting Market is worth $1 Trillion +. Augur itself, via the REP IOU on Gatecoin, while over-valued is valued at $180 million. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3040540/Global-sports-gambling-worth-3-trillion.htmlHowever REP holders only receive 0.5-1% of all bets. I.e. $1 billion in bets is worth $10 million to REP holders. So the real winner will be the currency that gets that $1 Billion in betting volume Lisk should announce they are using some of the funding for an Augur-Fork/PM Dapp and giving Lisk holders 50% of Lisk 'REP'. The PM will use Lisk as the betting currency, (or Lisk will be used to collateralize a price stable USD) This way Lisk holders now own 50% of a Lisk based Augur/PM type Dapp and Lisk holders will benefit from the betting volume as it becomes a contender in the trillion dollar betting market. This should substantially increase the valuation of I was thinking the same thing. If lisk can do this better and faster than augur, this could be huge. The augur team is choking on the UI, and homestead is nowhere to be found. This will be a race to create the best dapps. |
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March 23, 2016, 01:55:25 PM |
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Guys let's talk dapps. Those are the products that can make Lisk jump over and above all other cryptos.
I was thinking about games, mobile games to be specific. Which kind of games would be made better due to them being a dapp instead of an app? The mobile gaming market is trilion dollar industry with their micro payments. If we can tap into that then a billion dollar market cap will be a breeze...
The Sports Betting Market is worth $1 Trillion +. Augur itself, via the REP IOU on Gatecoin, while over-valued is valued at $180 million. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3040540/Global-sports-gambling-worth-3-trillion.htmlHowever REP holders only receive 0.5-1% of all bets. I.e. $1 billion in bets is worth $10 million to REP holders. So the real winner will be the currency that gets that $1 Billion in betting volume Lisk should announce they are using some of the funding for an Augur-Fork/PM Dapp and giving Lisk holders 50% of Lisk 'REP'. The PM will use Lisk as the betting currency, (or Lisk will be used to collateralize a price stable USD) This way Lisk holders now own 50% of a Lisk based Augur/PM type Dapp and Lisk holders will benefit from the betting volume as it becomes a contender in the trillion dollar betting market. This should substantially increase the valuation of I was thinking the same thing. If lisk can do this better and faster than augur, this could be huge. The augur team is choking on the UI, and homestead is nowhere to be found. This will be a race to create the best dapps. Would be a great boost to the ecosystem. |
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March 23, 2016, 01:56:54 PM |
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Show us the ICO adress for the bitcoins or you're dishonest.
Now you can do this right? |
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March 23, 2016, 01:59:11 PM |
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Show us the ICO adress for the bitcoins or you're dishonest.
Now you can do this right? They already did more then ones, they have no reason to be dishonest at all. |
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